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Acura MDX (pre-2007)

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  • transpowertranspower Posts: 182
    I did a search on the Web to see if, in fact, Honda has a Diesel engine in production. Uh, to my utter astonishment, they do. I'm thunderstruck--who knew? Anybody here? In England they sell a Diesel version of the CR-V, Accord, and Civic. I found some reviews of the CR-V 2.0i CDTi Executive, which were quite favorable. It gets 42.2 mpg! Jeez. And you can get a navigation system with it (you can't get one in the U.S. for the CR-V). And another item: recently I did a massive amount of research to find a cell phone to replace my aging 8-year old Motorola StarTac, and decided that the T-Mobile MDA Pro was the most advanced. Alas, it's not available in the U.S., so I got it from the U.K. by bidding on eBay. So, in these two cases (at least), Europe has more advanced technology than the U.S. We may have to rethink our assumption of automatic technological superiority.
  • raychuang00raychuang00 Posts: 541
    Honda sells the 2.2-liter i-CTDi engine only in Europe because European emissions laws favor the use of such an engine. But with the arrival of low-sulfur diesel fuel this summer I wouldn't be surprised that Honda is seriously looking at selling a Honda Civic sedan with a US-legal version of the i-CTDi engine and a slightly higher-displacement version of this engine (probably 2.4 liters) could end up on the next-generation Honda CR-V small SUV and maybe even the Honda Accord sedan! :D
  • varmintvarmint Posts: 6,326
    Honda can't make the 2.2L diesel fast enough. All the units they can produce are being sold. Europe is where the need is. So that is where Honda will sell them. When they have enough production capacity that they've got extras lying around, we might see a few.

    The last news I read (more than a year old) had Honda looking to create a "diesel hub" in europe. Turkey had one of the sites of the new plant. Currently, they have a small plant in Japan cranking them out. I haven't read anything suggesting that they've finished building a new plant.
  • steverstever YooperlandPosts: 39,971
    "Acura's MD-X concept, revealed today at the NY Auto Show, is a thinly veiled prototype of the redesigned 2007 MDX sport-utility that will go on sale this fall."

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  • tyggertygger Posts: 59
    I'm looking to buy a used MDX and was wondering if the 2005 was worth the extra costs over a 2004. If not, then would a 2003 be worth the extra costs of a 2003?

    Edmunds says that the 2005 model has standard XM radio and bluetooth, but those don't really matter to me. What does interest me is the larger fuel tank and the enhanced stability control. Is the larger tank worth it and what was enhanced with the stability control? It also has an "enhanced" database for the navigation. Can't this be updated with new 2006 discs?

    The 2004 has slightly more power, but that doesn't really matter since it's marginal. I haven't seen enough MDX's to distinguish the difference between the newly redsigned fascia vs the 2003 and older models. From the Edmunds pics, they look the same.

    The 2003 model seems to have many major improvements over the 2002 and older models so I think this would be the oldest I'd consider.

    Thanks for helping.
  • varmintvarmint Posts: 6,326
    Edmunds does a great job of giving buyers an easy overview, but you might want to go to the source for the kind of details you're looking at.

    Here's the "what's new" press release for the 2004 MDX.

    http://hondanews.com/CatID3027?mid=2003090335871&mime=asc&archives=t

    Here's one for the 2005 model.

    http://hondanews.com/CatID3027?mid=2004083154671&mime=asc&archives=t

    It's quite a bit of reading (which is why Edmunds is much easier), but you can sort out the details by going through it.
  • raychuang00raychuang00 Posts: 541
    Based on the announcements from Honda yesterday via CEO Takeo Fukui's speech:

    http://world.honda.com/news/2006/c060517MidYearCEOSpeech/

    Honda has confirmed they are working on I-4 and V-6 turbodiesel engines that meet the EPA Tier 2 Bin 5 and CARB 2007 diesel emission standards.

    The V-6 engine is of particular interest for the MDX, since a 3.0 to 3.2-liter turbodiesel rated at 210 bhp but with a very high torque peak at low revs would be perfect this vehicle. This could force Mercedes-Benz to offer the ML320CDI and R320CDI with its BlueTec clean diesel engine technology to arrive as soon as possible to compete against the MDX.
  • varmintvarmint Posts: 6,326
    Not for a long time. And probably for places like Australia and other UK markets before we see it in an MDX here.

    When it does arrive in the states, it will probably debut in the Ridgeline.
  • raychuang00raychuang00 Posts: 541
    Not for a long time. And probably for places like Australia and other UK markets before we see it in an MDX here.

    From what I've heard about that V-6 turbodiesel, Honda is developing specifically for the US market because the power and torque peak of the V-6 turbodiesel is well-suited for the Honda Pilot, Honda Ridgeline, Honda Odyssey and Acura MDX models. The engine will likely be a 3.0-liter unit rated at 210 bhp (SAE 08/04 net) but with a really high torque peak.

    With 30-35% better fuel efficiency compared to the V-6 engines now in the Honda vehicles I mentioned, that could extend the life of Honda's larger vehicle well past 2010, especially if the US sees a push for large-scale biodiesel fuel production.
  • varmintvarmint Posts: 6,326
    Like I wrote above. When it comes here, it will be used first in the Ridgeline and maybe the Pilot.

    However, the MDX probably will not see it. Not at first. Here in the US, diesel still has a bad reputation. And very few luxury car buyers are going to accept it.

    Now, go someplace like Australia (where the MDX is sold as a Honda), and it's a different story. They have more respect for diesels and they also use their 4WD wagons for utility purposes. The extra torque would be welcome there because they actually tow and haul things other than baby strollers and ski boots.

    Go to Europe and you'll find the V6 diesel powering the Honda Legend. That's another market with respect for diesel power.

    But Honda is not going to develop a diesel engine (which could sell like hotcakes in other markets) and waste the few units they can produce trying to force feed it to Americans who don't want it. That's like selling hot wings in a daycare.

    It will come to America, but only for those vehicles where there is demand. And right now, the only demand for diesels here is found in the big truck segment.
  • raychuang00raychuang00 Posts: 541
    I can understand your concerns, but the latest turbodiesel engines sold in Europe are not the old clattering, smoky engines of yore. Indeed, the Honda 2.2-liter I-4 i-CTDi engine sold in Europe has been much-lauded for its quietness and smoke-free operation. If you're driven the Mercedes-Benz E320CDI sedan (legal in 45 states here in the USA), the car has almost no trace of engine clatter, and the exhaust is generally pretty clean.

    By applying what was learned from the i-CTDi engine, Honda's US-legal I-4 and V-6 turbodiesels will be quiet, smoke-free engines that offer 30-35% better fuel economy than its gasoline engine equivalent. That type of better fuel economy with the Odyssey minivan is very attractive to the "soccer mom" crowd, and that could really send the sales of the Odyssey zooming way upward. :)
  • master1master1 Posts: 340
    The problem with diesels is cold start ups, and they are more expensive to make. More insulation needs to be added, minimized vibration materials, and the parts have to be stronger. It would be more costly to buy. Many families travel on vacation, and they can't worry about it not starting! :P

    This is a bit off topic, though
  • raychuang00raychuang00 Posts: 541
    According to this article in The Journal News dated May 28, 2006:

    http://www.lohud.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060528/BUSINESS01/605280315&Se- archID=73246045999096

    Honda got a US patent for a new type of exhaust emission control that can remove the high level of NOx emissions from diesel engines without needing the complicated urea gas injection system found on DaimlerChrysler's BlueTec diesel emissions control system. Combine this with a modern diesel particulate trap that "burns off" the particulates Honda could achieve EPA Tier 2 Bin 5 and CARB emissions certification for their turbodiesels rather easily. :shades:
  • steverstever YooperlandPosts: 39,971
    "A desirable compact luxury SUV that, for some people, might sacrifice a bit too much utility in its quest for maximum on-road presence."

    First Drive: 2007 Acura RDX (Inside Line)

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  • transpowertranspower Posts: 182
    I picked up Consumer Review's 2007 Car Preview magazine at the supermarket today and flipped through the pages. I've got to say most of the vehicles look ugly--including the new MDX and RDX and CR-V. Of the various boxy vehicles shown, the best one executed is the 2007 Ford Fairlane. And the only semi-attractive SUV/crossover I could find is the 2008 Buick Enclave--but it looks kind of big. The two Jeep models, the Compass and Patriot, look OK, but their only interesting feature is the CVT2. So, all in all, I'm not very impressed with what's coming up, which is a reversal of my opinion from a while back.
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  • steverstever YooperlandPosts: 39,971
    2007 Acura MDX stays true to the Concept (Inside Line)

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  • jbernerjberner Posts: 4
    Looking to buy a used MDX as I need a 7seater SUV. Have decided on the MDX after researching reliability of XC90 and Explorer (am a 4 Runner owner but need a change). Am willing to buy car with up to 70k miles which I hope to drive another 6-7 years. Any tips on what year/model MDX I should consider or avoid and what I can get away with paying? Are there dealers to go to and avoid in the Boston area? Also, is there a big difference between the Touring and regular model, and is "Acura Certified" that important? Finally, are there any used car concerns I should be aware of in general (recalls, typical repairs after extended miles, etc.) or specifically with regards to the Acura MDX? Thanks
  • varmintvarmint Posts: 6,326
    Back in November, I went with a 2004 Touring model.

    2004 was the year that Acura made a number of enhancements to the basic design. The exhaust system and engine got a tweak. The styling got tweaked. They added side curtain airbags and a few other tidbits.

    For more information about the various changes from year to year, try the following link. Pick a year... select the MDX... read up... Pick another year...

    http://hondanews.com/CatID3047?html=acuranews-archives.html
  • wmquanwmquan Posts: 1,817
    Avoid the 2001 and 2002 MDX's as they have an older transmission design that is more problematic.

    Edmunds TMV numbers should provide some sense of what a used MDX should cost.
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