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Isuzu Trooper

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  • bluedevilsbluedevils Posts: 2,554
    I remember that discussion, but I don't remember what the solution was. Does that help ;)
  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    I think it was a loose screw under the steering column on the driver's side.

    -mike
  • gpm5gpm5 Posts: 785
    I thought it had something to do with the fuel line hitting inside the firewall.
  • I rememer it being a loose screw too.
  • bluedevilsbluedevils Posts: 2,554
    Yesterday we left a deposit for a new Kia Sedona minivan. Good van, good price, great value. I was hoping we could keep our 98 Trooper, though it makes economic sense to sell it and keep our other car (95 Contour). Get this: on the way home from the dealership, my wife states she is emphatic about us keeping the Trooper! That was music to my ears. I knew she liked our Trooper but I didn't realize how much.

    Our Trooper is approaching 61,000 miles and I am so pleased (not surprised, though) with how solid it still is, inside and out.
  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    What would posses you to keep the contour? Gas milage? My bet is that in the long run the Trooper would cost less to operate from 61K->250K miles than the Contour will cost for sure. :) Glad you are staying with the Trooper!

    -mike
  • bluedevilsbluedevils Posts: 2,554
    Contour is fun to drive and has all the stuff - leather, moonroof, ABS, traction control, etc. The V6/manual trans combo in that car is fun.

    Gas mileage would be one of the few financial reasons to keep the Contour instead of Trooper. Insurance on Trooper is cheaper, and you're probably right that overall maintenance and repair costs will be lower on Trooper.
  • gpm5gpm5 Posts: 785
    With a kid/kids keeping the trooper makes sense. Easier to get car seat in the back. Someone can actually sit back there comfortably with a baby on a trip--a must on a long trip. And, you can throw all the crap you need in the back without a problem, including the stroller, the tot-along-bed, the diaper bag, the food bags, etc etc. and they are all readily accessible from the back seat. Maybe not a question with the van, but its nice to have two versatile vehicles. Furthermore, open the back doors and what do you have, a nice changing table.
  • bluedevilsbluedevils Posts: 2,554
    all good points. We've used that "changing table" in the Trooper a couple times already.
  • Today I got an insurance bill for my 99 Trooper which is about $100. more per year than last year. Last year, the North Carolina insurance rating for a 99 Trooper was "10," but this year it has become much higher---now a "15." When I called the insurance company and asked for an explanation, they professed not to know, but said that the rate increase was statewide in N.C. regardless of insurance company. The question is why? Why is it that an insurance rate that has been created over the years involving thousands of vehicles now is dramatically increased? Is the reason perhaps the result of political winds instigated by SUV haters?
  • I was completely satisfied with my 01 Limited until I saw the ARB bumper and wench set-up. I now have the Compass Photo set as my wallpaper on the puter. And, the full length roof rack who can live without that :). And the Snorkel and the lights. Until recently I had never heard of OME and the rest of the "tricks". While I may not do these mods I am like a kid in a candy store and I love it.
  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    You can get a similar setup from ECB, except ECB stuff is made from aluminum alloy so it's 3/5 the weight. Feel free to ask questions about cheap mods and upgrades! Like the polybushing stuff costs $20 and about 1.5hrs of time. Shocks and OME springs are a pretty cheap upgrade as well.

    -mike
  • I reported last week that I was having driveshaft problems on my 99 Trooper and have had a driveshaft yoke on backorder since December 31, 2001.

    Unfortunately, I was informed by Isuzu Owner Relations that the part which was to be release from their vendor in early February will not be released until March 14 (plus shipping time).

    I must say this is the sorriest excuse for a company's ability to effectively deal with customers and warranty work in a reasonable timeframe I have ever experienced. It will take 3 months (that is if they're telling me the truth) to get a simple part for a newer vehicle.

    I'm glad I'm not stranded in the sahara.

    Has anyone out there ever encounter a similar problem? And if so, did Isuzu make any options available to you to get back on the road?
  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    A lot of times it has to do with the dealer itself and not Isuzu. Also try calling the district rep as well.

    -mike
  • bluedevilsbluedevils Posts: 2,554
    In Michigan, my recent 6-month auto insurance bill (95 Ford Contour & 98 Isuzu Trooper) seemed about $75 higher than normal. Most of the increase was shown in the Contour.

    I asked my Allstate rep about it and he said there was some sort of statewide increase related to the state's catastrophic fund being a little short on funds. I think he said it should be about $75 a year for each vehicle. He also said that it's hard to tell where the actuaries come up with these numbers.

    Perhaps something similar happened in North Carolina?

    A couple years ago, we actually got a decent-sized refund from Allstate. Apparently the state's catastrophic fund had grown pretty large and they decided to refund money for each vehicle that was insured as of a certain date. Of course, that just happened to be an election year :)
  • If I were you I would go to the nearest Junk Yard and get the part directly from them and then have them reimburse you!
  • My Grandparents had a Countour. He was a Ford man and retired Mechanic. Not until after his death did we find out all of the problems he had had with the Countour. Turns out the local dealership new him by name as he always got involved when something was wrong. Bugged the crap out of the mechanics at ford I am sure. Anyway, It had the steering column replaced, gas tank replaced, AC Expansion valve, Radiator and a host of many other things. At 17,000 miles the transimission went out. It was passed the 36 month warranty period by about 2 months. Ford's hand had to be twisted to get the tranny replaced. Once it was replaced, we sold the car, got my Grandma a honda and that honda hates to be noticed because it is a 98 model and has not had one problem. I'm glad my Grandpa was not their to see us get my grandma a honda, but he would probably feel better knowing she's driving a reliable vehicle. Now is it the Countour or the Trooper. Can't beat reliability. My time is valuble and I, my father, and my Grandpa(although I'm sure he sort of enjoyed it as an ex-mechanic) spent a lot of time keeping it going. I would go with the Trooper. Our family has two, and not one singel problem. -JR
  • Has anyone installed a trailer hitch on their Trooper? I'm going to purchase a 5x8 stakeside trailer to haul crap around. I want a 2 inch box receiver style hitch. The trailer is rated for #2500 (sitting on a #3500 axle).

    Anyway, the guy at the trailer place says $200 for a Draw-Tite and $150 for installation and wiring. Seems like a job I can do myself...

    Any suggestions for on-line sources? The wiring on the trailer is four prongs on a flat plug... the trailer guy says I'll need some converter to make the lights work correctly.

    Any input would be greatly appreciated.
  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    I installed the hidden hitch for about $135 + $25 for the wiring harness. The wiring harness takes 1.5minutes if you are real slow. I'm not mechanically inclined but was able to put the hitch on w/o issue. Check http://isuzu-suvs.com in the vendor section for a link to a place to get the hitch. I believe JC whitney also sells it. I've towed up to 5500 lbs with it on the trooper.


    -mike

  • bluedevilsbluedevils Posts: 2,554
    I just saw an Isuzu ad in today's USA Today. It said 0% APR up to 60 months on all Isuzus, from Feb. 14-19 only.

    This makes for a great opportunity to get a Trooper! If you are lurking on this board and considering the purchase of a Trooper, now would be a great time to make the move.
  • Based on previous advice on this board I just got a Hidden Hitch from Automotive Accessories Connection. They had the parts drop shipped from HH directly to me. The hitch for 92-up Troopers is part #87544 ($139.95) and the T connector is #38817 ($29.95) plus $5.90 shipping total. It looks great and appears to come with all parts. The T connector is for the 5 pin standard, I think, so it may not be right for your trailer. I plan to put it on tomorrow and will let you know how it turns out. I ordered by phone (888)425-2885 on 2/11 and it arrived 2/14.
  • Although, I'd be the first to admit that Troopers depreciate rather quickly...two things to consider are:
    -because of low financing incentives, sales of new vehicles are way up, creating a glut of used cars out there. prices are more competitive for all sorts of used vehicles, not just the trooper.
    -the public's infatuation with car-like suv's is depressing the price of all truck based products, not just the trooper.
  • jim112jim112 Posts: 12
    I recently noticed a change when my '99 Trooper shifts into the highest gear (overdrive?). The vehicle has 20,500 miles and has been "babied" - no towing, no off-road, etc.. I now notice a slight hesitation when the trans shifts; with the hesitation, the tach also fluctuates momentarily (drops from about 2500 back to 2000, then briefly goes back up 300-500 rpm before settling at about 2000)

    I also notice when reapplying the throttle, after decelerating on level ground, the engine rpms immediately go up to a level 300-400 rpms above where it settles one second later.

    I took the vehicle to the local Isuzu dealer. They determined it to be low of trans fluid and stated they added one quart. At that time I asked if the trans needed service and was told no need until 30,000 (I was also told this at the same dealership in Oct of 2000).

    The symptoms did not change and I returned the vehicle one week and 250 miles later. I was told the computer failed to find a problem, running one quart low of fluid should not cause a problem, the symptom was not duplicated on test drive, and I would need complete trans service to the tune of $250 as recommended in the Owner's Manual for "severe duty use" "as a starting point." This is a bit inconsistent with my Manual; it is also interesting that the Service Manager asked no questions about my driving habits but said the "severe" duty definition was written in such a way to include almost everyone. This, too, is inconsistent with my Owner's Manual and my Workshop Manual. Oh yes, I was charged a $30 diagnostic fee because the dealer could find no problem, therefore could not bill Isuzu.

    The issue is complicated by the fact that this dealer filled the trans 18,000 miles ago, it has not been touched since then, and it is not leaking.

    Could this be "normal" for this trans (I have not noticed it until now), what kind of damage would one expect if the fluid were low (1 or more quarts), and where should I go from here?

    Thanx for your help...

    jim
  • breakorbreakor Posts: 398
    I really don't know much about ATs but it sounds like your torque converter may be slipping. I don't remember any other owner reporting such symptoms. IIRC a few people have noticed leaks that were solved by tightening the plug(s) or replacing the plug gaskets. It almost seems like the dealer never filled it correctly 18k mis ago and this wore the fluid out prematurely. In any event it sure sounds like the dealer is giving you the run around.

    If this happened out of the blue after my warranty ran out I would do a flush now and go back with synthetic to see if that would solve the problem.

    Given that you have the dealer already involved for some time I suggest you stress the fact that you have never done severe duty. That the book IIRC doesn't require you to even check the level (at least before 30k mis). That the level was low through no fault of yours for up to 18k mis since you saw no signs of leaking. If this made the service severe duty then that is Isuzu's fault for having a leaky design with no level check requirement and/or the dealer's fault for underfilling. In either case, it should be fixed at no cost to you WHATEVER THAT TAKES.

    I would try another Isuzu dealer if at all possible to get a second opinion and maybe much better service. You could also try an AT shop to get their take on the condition and harm from running 1 qt low for maybe up to 18k mis. In either case I suggest you initially only tell them your symptoms and then let them do their diagnosis. Afterwards you can give them "the rest of the story" and see if that changes/reinforces their assessment. The AT shop report could then be used as leverage against the present dealer.

    Good luck.
  • Kevin, I got the Hidden Hitch installed on our 02 LS tonight. I am the most deliberate person you'll ever meet when it comes to doing something the first time (read "slow") and it took me about 90 minutes. The biggest problem is that the directions are somewhat confusing, because apparently some Troopers require you to drill two holes for the hitch. Mine didn't, as all the necessary holes with studs were present and HH's bolts fit perfectly. It took me a while to figure out which were the 12 mm bolts and which were 1/2" (only used the 12 and 10 mm bolts they supplied). I did have to shim one of the places with a washer (supplied), and had to remove a small hook bracket on the driver's side rearmost hole that wasn't mentioned in the directions. Also, for some reason the lock washer for the forward driver's side hole bent and separated before I reached the specified torque. I removed it and started again with an extra washer and the same thing started to happen, so I just stopped before reaching full torque. I think it will be OK.

    Also, the wiring connector from HH has 5 pins to connect to the Trooper plug but ends in 4 pins at the trailer connector: 3/1.
  • Who can tell me the correct torque for installing the engine oil drain bolt? I did the truck's first oil change today at 1,150 miles and found that, for some idiotic reason, Isuzu did not list the torque in the 2002 owner's manual. They did list the torque for the oil filter, which is redundant since they also say to tighten it 7/8 turn past where it seats, and they even mark the filters 1 through 8 on the circumference so you can easily count as you tighten. Why no drain plug torque spec?

    I just tightened it to 24 lbs-ft and hope that will be OK until I get the real number from one of you guys. My Maxima needs 22 lbs-ft and it's a smaller bolt.

    By the way, my first experience with my dealer's service dep't wasn't good. I called today to ask the question above and the "service manager" who answered said there's not a torque spec for that bolt. Right!! How many of us have had our bolts stripped at quick-oil-change places or even dealers where they use air wrenches? When I told him I knew better, his lame reply is that the Isuzu mechanics only work every other Saturday and this was their off day. Funny, the guy who sold us the car said they have full Isuzu service every Saturday, not just checkups and lubes.
  • breakorbreakor Posts: 398
    58ft-lbs is the number listed in the service manuals for the 1999. I guess 2002 is the same.

    FWIW my experience is that no dealer ever gives out such "top secret" information. They want you to pay them for service. If they tell you how to do it yourself then that is one less job they get paid to do. Also, in Isuzu's defense only so much information can fit in the owner's manual in the glove box. In fact the service manuals fill up 3 large 3-ring notebooks.
  • bluedevilsbluedevils Posts: 2,554
    I've got a copy of the 1998 Trooper workshop manual page that includes the engine oil drain plug torque spec. It lists 58 ft-lbs. I'm guessing the spec is the same from 1998 model year through current, and possibly the same as far back as the 1992 model year.
  • bluedevilsbluedevils Posts: 2,554
    Three days ago we bought a new 2002 Kia Sedona minivan. Anyway, the factory workshop manual is available from Helm for only 59 bucks! I couldn't believe it was this low, since the current Trooper manual costs well over $100. Helm seems to drop the price of the Trooper manuals gradually as the manual gets older. But even the 1998 manual still costs $90, IIRC. I've been meaning to buy one for our '98 Troop but just haven't gotten around to it b/c the $90 cost is hard to swallow.

    I was surprised that the Trooper manuals are so much more expensive than the Sedona manual. I can't think of any good reason why.
  • Thanks for the advice, guys. I would have been afraid to put 58 ft-lbs on it without knowing.

    Bluedevils, if it makes you feel any better, the manual for a 2000 Maxima is $275 plus shipping (3 volumes). Can you guess why I haven't bought it, yet?
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