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Isuzu Trooper

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  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    Well it is illegal to tow a trailer w/o having lights on it, so you should buy a wiring harness about $25 and 30 seconds of install.

    -mike
  • breakorbreakor Posts: 398
    I went out and checked my 99 as it has been a couple of years since I made the swap. I think I used the box-end wrench on the bolt head. On the nut I just used an open end wrench (rather than a socket wrench as originally posted). I did let that open-end wrench wedge itself in there and put a small cheater pipe on the box-end wrench. Granted I had very little arc to move the wrench each time but it did eventually come off.

    I would think twice about cutting that bolt out of there, except as a last resort, if I was you. Then again maybe it is just me but I can never seem to easily find replacement hardware. I suspect that bolt could be tough to find at a hardware store, especially the correct hardness and length. Also, the thread thread profile (i.e. isn't it smooth where the shock head fits over it?) could be a very tough match. It could even be something your dealer might not stock or is out of, at least that would be my luck.

    Good luck.
  • bawbcatbawbcat Posts: 118
    I am looking to buy a 4x4 Trooper. I've decided on a 98 or newer in order to get the 3.5L engine. I am leaning towards a used model to keep the price low and because it seems that depriciation is high. I may consider a new one though if the discount is deep enough. Here are a few questions that I have.

    - What were the changes between 98 and 02?

    - Are any years in that range better or worse in terms of reliability?

    - Is TOD really a good thing? I'm a bit concerned about increased maintenance or reliability issues. Generally such "automatic" systems aren't highly regarded in the 4WD community either. I also don't like the fact that they replaced the oil pressure and battery gauges with the TOD display on the dash. Basically, I'm a little leary of this system. I'd appreciate any other opinions or insights.

    - With the TOD system, is there a "normal" 4high range where the TOD unit is locked with a 50/50 split?

    - On the new 02 Troopers, my dealer is currently offering $6k off MSRP (carsdirect.com is only offering like $4k off). Is that a good deal? I'm not in a huge hurry, so I don't mind waiting for a better deal if I'm going to buy new. I'm guessing that since the is the last year for the Trooper, the discounts may get better later in the year, but the selection may become slim also.

    Thanks in advance for any comments or info! :)
  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    TOD is great. There are people with over 100K on them w/o problems. Very Very Tough Units. You can't lock it in 50/50 in Hi mode, but can do so in Low-range. I just wheeled in TOD last weekend in North Carolina and had Modified Jeepers whining that I made em look bad with my I-Sue-Zoo and PEEEEEEERelleeee tires. Pics at http://isuzu-suvs.com/events Look at "Uwharrie" with last weekends date.


    Reliability is excellent over 98-02 actually 92-02 are very reliable.


    I wouldn't wait long. Most dealers didn't order many '02 Troopers and thus supply is very limited.


    The best part of TOD is that you can use it for the 99% of the time that you are on-road, yet it retains the full power of a PT Transfer case for off-road use.


    -mike

  • bluedevilsbluedevils Posts: 2,554
    Count me as another guy who is annoyed that giant TOD display has displaced some important gauges.

    If you scroll back a couple hundred posts, you'll see lots of feedback on your general question (differences between 98-02), as someone else asked the same question not long ago.

    I'm in a lazy mood and don't feel like retyping much of it.

    $6k off MSRP is pretty decent. You can do better on price with a used one, but consider you'd lose the 10yr/120k powertrain warranty (it's still 5/60 though).
  • bluedevilsbluedevils Posts: 2,554
    For our family, TOD is great. Our '98 does not go off-road. The biggest benefit for us is knowing that it's always on, even on dry pavement. That's a big plus over our previous '96, which had a shift-on-the-fly setup with 4Hi instead of the TOD automatic mode.

    TOD Troopers still give you the low range, yada yada yada, so the TOD system really gives the best of both the on- and off-road worlds.
  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    I personally like the TOD guage. It lets me know that it's actually working. For about $50 I can install the 2 guages that are missing very easily. I may do that eventually.

    -mike
  • bluedevilsbluedevils Posts: 2,554
    Can't put them where they were in previous model years, since the TOD is occupying that space, right?
  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    Obviously you can't put them where the TOD guage is! But there is tons of places they can go. Most likely they'll go somewhere in the center below the CD player or perhaps where the cigarette holder is or the fuzzy-nubs that one one knows what to do with. Maybe I'll get a funky digital one that goes on top of the steering column.

    -mike
  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    The VW is tiny 55cu feet storage, it will have low range, but it's no off-roader. also at 50Kish price tag I'd take a TLC over it anyday.

    -mike
  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    Another pine barrens run this sunday. http://isuzu-suvs.com/events for details.


    -mike

  • sbcookesbcooke Posts: 2,297
    Sounds interesting. 11 inches of ground clearance, not bad. I wonder what happens when it scapes over a boulder or log for the first time (or maybe last time). It will probably be a good beach vehicle. "Hard core off-road" I doubt. I imagine it will have limited wheel travel, it will have to to keep its handling under wraps. Skid plates, tow hooks? Maybe it will fit somewhere between my Trooper and MDX? Except that it is a volkswagon...in a few years the windows will stop working and then one of the rear doors will never open again, then the light switch will turn the radio on and off...doh...
  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    Also 11" is the Maximum ground clearance. Similar to the rating that Ford uses for the new Exploders. This is a new Fuzzy math type marketing crap. Why they can't just measure the lowest thing on the car is beyond me and give the MINIMUM clearance!

    Have to agree I don't see it being a long-term vehicle with VW rep.

    -mike
  • sbcookesbcooke Posts: 2,297
    I think it looks much better than the Cayenne. I think Porsche tried to hard to make their version look different than the X5. I am sure it will be cool, like roadkill, you just can't look away.
  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    They aren't related though. The Porsche is the same as the VW.

    -mike
  • sbcookesbcooke Posts: 2,297
    I know. But the VW has very similar lines to the BMW X5. The Cayenne, while same vehicle has a few more curves. I think that since the cayenne will be directly competing with the BMW they tried to make it look dissimilar...and less attractive.
  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    Yeah they made it look like a boxster SUV, which just doesn't work in my book. They look like jacked up sports cars. Like someone was on crack and put a lift kid on a regular car. Oh well, at least my troopa will last like another 200K miles so I should be set for a while.

    -mike
  • gtroopgtroop Posts: 85
    Paison - Try mounting the gauges to the driver's side A-pillar. You should be able to find a molded plastic piece that will work to mount them in since I'm sure no one makes it for the Trooper. Look at a speed or import tuning shop...

    I can't believe they are going to ask that much for the VW SUV - they have always been too proud of their cars at VW, the Jetta, Golf, GTI, and Passat are over-priced. Audi and VW will end up canabalizing each other's sales and weaken the company to the point that GM will buy them too.
  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    Nope, I don't do A-pillar guages. That is Boy-racer stuff, especially on an SUV. They'll go in a very inconspicuous place. I only need to check them once in a blue moon or if there is trouble detected.

    -mike
  • wlbrown9wlbrown9 Posts: 838
    Well, I got all 4 of mine on, finally. Took 2 afternoons. Started on the Rear Wednesday. Got the right rear off using a 1/2" drive breaker bar and 3/4" socket. On the bolt head since I could not get a socket on the nut and could not find a 3/4" open/box end wrench in my tool pile. Glad I had the 16" bar to finally break loose the bolt, then used the regular ratchet to finish.

    Suprise, the bolt for the Trooper is 9/16". Hole in the shock bushing is 1/2". Get on phone to 4wheelpart.com. Finally get transferred to someone in their 'techinal' area. He recommends just knocking out the steel bushing and putting the bolt through the rubber gromet (sp?). That is what I did, but I'm having second thoughts and will call Rancho for advice today. I have gone ahead and reclaimed the larger steel bushings from the stock shocks and with sufficient lub should be able to insert them in the rubber gromet. Not real happy about this sequence. I need to get the instructions out, but if I remember correctly, they are vague about what parts you might need to reuse or replace. I would have like a warning from Rancho in their application guide or from 4wheelparts.com that the shocks will work 'with modification'. I'm sure an installation shop will have equipment to replace the bushings or whatever needs to be done. It was difficult for me with a hammer, vise and punch to remove the rubber gromet, etc.

    Left rear top was a b***h to get to. Finally used the 16" breaker bar with about an 8" extension over the axle to finally get a little turn on the bolt head to break it loose. Next time I think I will put it up on the jackstands a few inches to get a little more working room.

    Good news is that I did the fronts last night. Not nearly the effort needed. One of them was difficult to remove top nut, but with vise grips to keep the whole top from turning I was able to get it out.

    Drove it to work today and payed particular attention to a couple of memorable bumps. I think these are a definite improvement over the original shocks. I just have all 4 on setting 3 for now. I can still feel the road and bumps, but have a feeling of better control, quicker recovery and less jolt on the larger bumps... of course, even the stock shocks and the Trooper coil spring suspension rode much smoother than my 95.5 Rodeo, not to put it down, but the Trooper has a much more 'refined' ride...the Rodeo was a jolter.

    If I get any good advice from Rancho about the different size bolt sleeves, I will post it later today.
  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    I like the poly bushings of the ranchos on mine. I'm not sure what my installer did as far as the bolt/sleeve thing but it seems to work well whatever it is they did :)

    -mike
  • wlbrown9wlbrown9 Posts: 838
    Checked the site www.gorancho.com and found they do have a footnotes section that should cover the different mounting pin/bushing size. Nothing on the Trooper and the RS9215 rears. Will talk to them later today.

    ZUTROOPER or BREAKOR, did either of you have the 1/2" sleeve & 9/16" mounting bolt problem on your Troopers? If so, how did you handle that? Just curious?
  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    When you guys get it sorted out drop me an e-mail and/or a How-to and I'll post it up in the FAQ and How-to sections on isuzu-suvs.com

    -mike
  • boxtrooperboxtrooper Posts: 843
    How about using a small industrial display with selectable channels. They make them small enough to fit in the space of three Trooper button blanks.


    See if this will fit:

    http://www.omega.com/Pressure/pdf/DP41.pdf


    If it will fit, there are a lot of things out there that go in the standard 1/8 DIN size.

  • zutrooperzutrooper Posts: 66
    WLBrown, My trooper must have smaller bolts. The sleeves on mine went fine. I was able to install 3 of the shocks in about an hour. I had major issues w/ Top mount on rear drivers shock. I plan to complete job this evening. BTW, trooper drives much better. This is the first mod that my wife approved of. Mark P
  • bawbcatbawbcat Posts: 118
    In terms of traction, my gut feeling is that TOD can't be as good as part-time 4Hi with both the front and rear locked in at 50/50. TOD doesn't send power to the front wheels until the rear slips. If power was continuously being sent to the front wheels, perhaps the rear wheel slippage could have been avoided. This would certainly provide better control than allowing the slip to occurr, and then reacting to it by transferring power. If TOD provided equal or better traction compared to a simple locked xfer case, then why isn't TOD used in low range? I think TOD is a compromise solution that sacrifices some traction in order to allow the system to be used on the street full-time.

    My current Jeep Cherokee has 4 modes of operation: 2WD high, part-time 4WD low, part-time 4WD high, and 4WD full-time high. This is truly the best of all worlds.

    I would guess that TOD provides better traction than the Jeeps full-time mode, since it can lock the center diff at 50/50, but not as good as the part-time high mode where it is locked continuously.

    I personally don't need 4WD on the street, so TOD has little benefit for me in that regard. If there is a compromise in high range performance when compared to the simpler shift-on-the-fly (SOTF, non-TOD) system, I may try to look for a Trooper without TOD. I would appreciate any input on the subject of TOD performance vs SOTF. Thanks!
  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    I had a 97 Rodeo with SOTF and my Trooper goes everywhere off-road that it and any stock Jeep goes (and more) The TOD system usually puts some torque to the front even at slow speeds. If you look through the events section of http://isuzu-suvs.com/events you will see all the places I've gone with TOD. Basically the TOD works fine in any situation that SOTF works. Not to mention you can just put it in LOW and run up to 40-50mph w/o a problem in 50/50 lock if the 50/50 is that important.


    What situation do you think you'll need the 50/50 HI-locked in at? Let us know your situation and we'll give you feedback on how the TOD reacts in a similar situation.


    -mike

  • zutrooperzutrooper Posts: 66
    WLBrown, My trooper must have smaller bolts. The sleeves on mine went fine. I was able to install 3 of the shocks in about an hour. I had major issues w/ Top mount on rear drivers shock. I plan to complete job this evening. BTW, trooper drives much better. This is the first mod that my wife approved of. Mark P
  • wlbrown9wlbrown9 Posts: 838
    zutrooper.. Thanks. If you could measure the hole in the old shock (or new since they fit for you) and let me know. My old one are about 9/16" vs. the 1/2" on the new. If you have to replace your mounting bolt, you will need the size anyway.

    I was able to get to that bolt with a long breaker bar with about 6"-8" extension going over the axle to the bolt head. Finally got enough leverage to break it loose then could use the normal ratchet to finish removal...had to hold the nut with channel locks. E-mailed Rancho, no answer yet. I may call after I get home so if I need to redo with the sleeves in, I can do it this weekend. (That is what I am leaning toward doing anyway.) Good luck on the last one.
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