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Isuzu Trooper

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  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    Are you looking at a new Montero or the 98-00 ones? The big thing the Trooper has over the Monty is that you get more bang for your buck a more reliable engine, and better AWD system. Otherwise they are very similar in size, handling, etc. A good friend has a 94 Monty which is the same body style as the pre-01 Montys.

    -mike
  • boxtrooperboxtrooper Posts: 843
    bawbcat, the engine manufacturers have been correcting the same problems that the DirectHits is made to correct. In fact, even the DirectHits web site says older technology cars benefit more.

    What spark plug wires do: They get the coil discharge signal to the spark plug. But to reduce noise, they use high resistance plugs and wires. The resistance is so high that the majority of the spark signal is lost before it gets to the spark plug. Nearly all of the highest frequency components of the signal are lost and that makes timing the spark more difficult.

    What DirectHits does: provide better impedance match on spark plug end of spark plug wire. This allows more of the energy from the coil to make it all the way to the spark event. It also allws the shape of the spark signal from the coil to make it to the spark event for a much sharper resolution in timing for smoother performance all the way to redline. One of the most noticeable improvements is how well my 1995 SOHC 3.2L runs from 3500 to 5500 RPM while pulling a 4000# trailer.

    From what I have read, people that add DirectHits to their Troopers and use the kit including low resistance spark plug wires DirectHits and resistorless plugs have great results. I have great results. You could get some of the same improvement by just puting in resistorless plugs and low resistance wires, but without the DirectHits there will be a lot of radio interference.

    What the engine manufacturers are doing: They are eliminating the spark plug wires by placing the coils directly over the spark plugs. In this case, there would be no benefit from DirectHits because DirectHits is only there to correct problems inherent with spark plug wires.

    I expect that there will eventually be spark plugs with the DirectHits circuit built in.

    If you tow and your engine has spark plug wires, definately get DirectHits the difference for towing is amazing.
  • cwmosercwmoser Posts: 227
    Paisan, I know it would be a bit of work, but it would be really nice if say your website had a survey of perceptions of Trooper owners who bought tires and how well they performed. Also, be of interest for other things like shocks, oil, filters, etc.
  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    CWmoser, I think I'll definitely start working on that. Maybe I'll try to setup a form where I can have people submit comments on different upgrades such as tires, shocks, etc. What do you think?

    -mike
  • cwmosercwmoser Posts: 227
    This database could be of great benefit to us Trooper owners. I'm sure others have idea inputs too. How about also a repository of where parts can be obtained - say someone knows of a Trooper in a specific junkyard. Which tires to buy should be the greatest expense and stress we face as the Trooper is so reliable:-)
  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    It's amazing how different the posts are on the 3 different segments of SUV boards:

    Pilot/MDX/Highlander/etc: What colors are available? Is there a moonroof? How does it handle in the rain? Can I load in 8 people?

    Explorer/TB/Envoy/etc: How is your dealer dealing with the repairs? He said they all do that? GM can't find a solution? Your Explorer got ANOTHER new engine?

    Trooper/Montero/4-runner: Yup, just got done off-roading, worked flawlessly. I need tires, what should i get? How was it towing the boat last weekend? You just turned 200K miles, cool.

    :)

    -mike
  • peterismepeterisme Posts: 68
    Thanks Guys for your suggestion!


    I found the Trooper's repair manual (suspension part) online. It has detailed graphs and instructions, which should be helpful for any upgrade in suspension.


    It seems the website is in Russia, and they don't worry about the copy right :)


    http://www.4x4club.ru:8100/pdf/isuzu4.pdf

    http://www.4x4club.ru:8100/pdf/isuzu5.pdf

  • bluedevilsbluedevils Posts: 2,554
    post 4268 was hilarious.
  • bawbcatbawbcat Posts: 118
    Sorry my last post was unclear. I'm looking for comparissons between the same model years of these 2 trucks (1998-2000). I agree that in general, the Troopers seem to be a better value, but occasionally I do see a comparably priced Montero. I've seen some posts saying that insurance and parts costs are very high for the Montero, so that is a strike against it. One concern I have about the Trooper is that I'm not confident that the Isuzu brand will survive, and if it does die, I don't know what effect that will have on parts and service costs.

    In general, I was just curious if anyone else here had shopped these 2 against each other, and why you (presumably) chose the Trooper. Thanks.
  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    Aftermarket parts for the Montero = Zero so that is another issue to look at. As for spare parts, with 10 years of vehicle 92-02 you should be fine as far as parts for the Trooper well into the future, also the Axiom uses the same drivetrain.

    -mike
  • boxtrooperboxtrooper Posts: 843
    I hope that even if Isuzu goes out of the SUV business jut like it went out of the car business that GM will provide Isuzu parts for the standard 10 years that parts are supposed to be avialable in the USA.

    I think Isuzu might go out of the SUV business because the vehicles are built too well. American buyers just want a comodity vehicle that will hold up for a few years, then they dump it and get another lease or purchase. Not enough Americans buy SUVs for long term use like me, I plan on 10 years and at least 200K miles before I consider buying another. Another good rule is one some friends of mine use: You must own each vehicle for twice as long as it took you to pay off the loan. I think buying new cars more often than 10 years and 200K miles is waste of a lot of my money. So the Troopers I have owned and driven on and off road have been a wonderful thing.

    Now I worry about when my 1995 Trooper has 200K+ after 2005 where will I find another vehicle that will last as long. I am hoping for a hybrid diesel SUV that is competent off road and gets 35 MPG and can tow 5000# built on a frame and has the huge interior and small exterior of the Trooper in a model year 2006 to 2010. The 2006 GBX would have been great.
  • steverstever Viva Las CrucesPosts: 41,881
    We had this discussion in Quests about 2 years ago - no one there ever found any rule or regulation that forces an automaker to make spare parts for any prescribed length of time. This comes up now and then and it bugs me not knowing, so if you know of any rules (in N.A. or on the continent), I'd appreciate hearing about it.

    One would think there'd be such a requirement somewhere, but maybe it's just market driven (or maybe it's something the Army requires in their procurement regs)....

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  • boxtrooperboxtrooper Posts: 843
    to have you let Joe Isuzu know to stop selling "sexy Isuzu" and start selling solid long term reliable utility Isuzu.

    Tell Joe to go on TV and explain how buying a Trooper now and driving it for at least a decade will help you save money to put your kids through college. Or to afford to retire.
  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    By federal law for parts. I'll see if I can dig up the law/reg that requires this.

    -mike
  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    Tell Joe to go on TV and explain how buying a Trooper now and driving it for at least a decade will help you save money to put your kids through college. Or to afford to retire.

    No one cares about that unfortunately :(

    -mike
  • steverstever Viva Las CrucesPosts: 41,881
    Thanks Mike - everytime I've searched for it, I've come up empty.

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  • savvas_esavvas_e Posts: 347
    In Australia, manufacturers are obliged under fair trading law that new parts are available for seven years after a model ceases production.

    Seeing that we don't get Axiom here, and as far as I know there is no plan to bring it here, new Jackaroo parts should start to run out around 2010. Frontera (Rodeo) has just been released with TOD here. So some componentry should carry over for a bit longer.

    Mike ... That's an interesting comment about Montero aftermarket parts in the US being zero. In Australia there is a much, much larger range of aftermarket for Pajero than there is for Jackaroo. ARB have a great looking bullbar for Landcruiser and Pajero, called the Sahara bar. I would love to get a similar styled bar on my car, but they have no plans to ever produce it for Jackaroo/Trooper. And it's the same story with a lot of different items, rear bars for instance.

    I'm very peeved about the number of accessories available in Japan for Bighorn/Trooper/Jackaroo, that aren't made available in the US or Australia. They don't need to bring all of them out to us. But things like rear spoiler, stability control, dual air, etc., would find a ready market. Landcruiser and Prado already offer all of these.
  • steverstever Viva Las CrucesPosts: 41,881
    tincup47 "MY2003 Range Rover" May 14, 2002 12:25pm

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  • mkayemkaye Posts: 184
    Just thought I'd chime in on the Trooper vs. Montero question.
    Those are the two vehicles that I chose from. There were three key reasons I choose the Trooper over the Montero:
    1. Engine power. The Montero is heavier and has a slightly weaker engine. Just didn't get the power to the floor like the 3.5L Trooper motor and GM tranny. Off the line and with grades, you really had to floor it to go. I would roughly equal it to the 3.2 in my 96 Trooper.
    2. Off-road capability: Trooper is better stock than Montero (Montero larger tires=0.5" greater ground clearance. Montero is much softer feeling though in the suspension, bouncier. Especially where there is rock crawling, I felt the body/frame would bounce off rocks and the like. There is no Rancho 9000 option for the Montero. The Trooper is definitely easier to modify (lift especially).
    3. Value: although both are about equal MSRP. I could get very little off MSRP (about invoice) on the Montero, with the Trooper, when I bought it, $9k off MSRP was easy.

    The Montero's handling is a little quirky on-road. With fast transitions there seems to be an increase in body roll and loss of control. It is also more 'floaty' and I didn't like the feeling of that. Body keeps rocking l=r even when going straight. Likely those issues are taken care of with some suspension modifications, but, as Paisan said, they are few. There is a company called JAOS that makes a lift and shocks for the new Monty. www.jaos.com.

    The 5 speed automatic with manumatic and the 4wd system in the Monty Limited is way cool. You can easily hold in any desired gear without the tranny shifting on you automatically. I like the option of a part-time hi locked in the Montero that the Trooper lacked. BUT, off-road, whenever I've needed the 50/50 lock, I usually find I'm already in 4lo for the gear reduction.

    Solid rear axle in Trooper is better off road typically than IRS in Montero. Usually related to articulation. Didn't really look at inches of travel and the new Range Rover has gone all independent. One 4x4 mag said the new independent suspension Explorer is the least off-road vehicle they had ever tested, because of lack of articulation in the independent suspension.

    The fit and finish of the Montero is ahead of the Trooper. For leather, the Monty leather is thicker and softer, more luxurious. Dash is also more modern. Styling is always an issue, either you like the Monty or you don't. The Trooper styling is classic and will likely remain fresh long after the Montero.

    When all was said and done, Trooper remained my hands down favorite and my vehicle of choice. The 'deal' off msrp was a factor, but the durability, functionality, and off-road capability were the true deciding points toward the 2001 Trooper.

    BUT, if they get a really great motor in the Montero, who knows.... I'm not heading for the Ascender any time soon.
  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    Also I think the original poster was looking at the previous generation Monty. 98-00 Monty v. 98-00 Trooper. I could be wrong though.

    -mike
  • bluedevilsbluedevils Posts: 2,554
    Is it too late to tell Joe Isuzu to stop selling "sexy Isuzu" and start selling solid long term reliable utility Isuzu?

    Considering the next Isuzu SUV will be a rebadged GM product, I don't think this approach would be wise. It would have been appropriate for the past 5-10 years.
  • savvas_esavvas_e Posts: 347
    Hi all,

    Just looking around the japanese Isuzu website, I found this little bit of trivia.

    * 32,390 Troopers built in 2000
    * 20,477 sold in North America
    * 4,042 sold in Europe
    * 2,939 sold in Oceania

    That's in order of volume. So the US market is obviously the largest, followed by Europe and Oceania which takes in Australia and NZ, etc.

    The smallest market was Asia (it's home market!) at only 1,596 units.

    For such a brilliant product that the Trooper is, it is definitely an example of how Isuzu and GM got its marketing wrong. Doesn't Explorer sell something like 20 times this volume globally?
  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    Ok folks, what diffy grade did you guys use?

    I'm looking at the Helm manual and redlineoils.com and can't seem to figure out which to buy :(

    -mike
  • bluedevilsbluedevils Posts: 2,554
    When I changed our 98 Trooper's front and rear diffys at 52,xxx miles, I used 75W90 Mobil 1 synthetic gear lubricant. I think the owner's manual specifies the 80W90 when weather temps exceed some fairly low figure (50 degrees Fahrenheit rings a bell), but I went with 75W90. Not sure why-- maybe it was availability of the Mobil 1 in my area (I found 75W90 but not 80W90).

    I don't see how this could make a very big difference-- wouldn't a 75W90 and an 80W90 be pretty close in terms of thickness etc.?

    I also added 3/4 bottle of the Isuzu/GM limited slip lubricant to the rear diffy.

    Due to my accidentally putting ATF in the rear diffy, I ended up draining and refilling the rear diffy 5 times between 52,400 and 53,500 miles. So I hope everything is pretty clean back there; after all those changes, and the detergent-heavy ATF being left in for 50 miles, it should be!
  • savvas_esavvas_e Posts: 347
    I know this is in my owner's manual. I'll look tonight.
  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    Is probably what I'll go with for both front and rear in the Trooper. The 80/90 weight lubes seem to run out of steam at 85 degrees, which is not good for my climate which runs up to 100 degrees in the summer.

    -mike
  • boxtrooperboxtrooper Posts: 843
    I used RedLine in my differentials because I could look up the temperature ratings and it is good to something like 500 F. I found oil tests on the web somewhere a two or three years ago. I am due for another round (>45K since changed) of diff and manual tranny oil. Anybody done the oil research lately and found comparison charts on line? Please post URL if you did. Thank You
  • keepontroopinkeepontroopin Posts: 297
    I got some minor damage this past weekend while wheelin in Elk County PA. I got in a jam and needed to turn around and backed into a rock. Nothing major happened except for a slight scratch on the under side of the bumper and I also bent the hanger to the tail pipe which moved my tailpipe over a few inches into the mudflap. We are going again this weekend so i will try to snap some photos for you Paisan to possibly post on the web site.
  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    Love to have pics for the site! :)

    -mike
  • tetonmantetonman Posts: 73
    I think this was actually the claim that Oldsmobile made when GM announced it was discontinuing the brand. That way GM could get buyers into the showrooms to finish off their inventory, keeping dealers somewhat happy. Of course since Olds parts are interchangeable with Chevy, Pontiac, etc. that's really not much of a claim for GM to make.

    With the reliability of the Trooper, hopefully this won't be a huge issue given the Axiom's use of a few Trooper parts. Plus, we can always visit the junkyards...
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