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Isuzu Trooper

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  • savvas_esavvas_e Posts: 347
    In the newspapers this week, there was an article about Holden and 4WDs. The new 'roo will be based on Trailblazer/Envoy/Ascender and will be released late in 2003.

    What's more interesting is that by 2006 Holden plans to have its own design for the Jackaroo - just in time for my upgrade, yes!!! They want to take over the regional 4WD/SUV design and manufacturing responsibilities for the Asia region from Isuzu.

    Makes sense to me. Even though Australia is only 20mil people, we are the second largest market for 4WDs in the world. Also, most Trooper/Bighorn/Jackaroo testing and development occurs in Oz anyway. So the competency exists already.
  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    Bastages! You always get the good stuff.

    -mike
  • beer47beer47 Posts: 185
    While on business to day in Reading, PA. I spotted a dealer with 5 new "S" troopers with 22k to 24k on their windshields. The stickers were 30k and a few hundred. Also, new axioms 24k with leather. Rodeos for 20 to 22K base models w/6 cylinders. Go get'em before they fly. I am sure you can get even more off if you negotiate properly.
  • tek182tek182 Posts: 6
    I have a 99 Trooper. At around 50k mi, it started using oil. At 58k, it slipped a bearing on the crankshaft and is currently at the dealership having a brand new short block put in (thank God it was still under warranty). The service manager told me that oil consumption is a common problem with that engine (3.5L). Has anybody else heard of this or expierenced the problem??? Seemed kind of odd to me for an engine to be using that much oil at just 50k mi. By the way, The dealer checked for oil leaks and there were none.
  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    I'd say about 25% of Isuzu engines consume oil. Anwhere from 1Q ever 1500miles to 1Q ever 3500miles.

    -mike
  • hus060hus060 Posts: 3
    i have a 95 trooper s model, 3.2 sohc, with 141k miles; the transmission light is now flashing after about 5 minutes into driving mode. The manual stated that needs to get the truck into an Isuzu dealership for diagnostic. Computer chip is malfunction. Can continue to drive but computer is enable to shift gear correctly.

    Has anyone experience this problem? If so, what is the best solution and cost-wise? Please advice. Thanks, HUS060
  • tek182tek182 Posts: 6
    What do you think makes the 25% use oil? I had all routine maintenance done on the truck and I really could not see any oil burning in the exhaust except during start up and then there was very little. Thanks for the info.
  • breakorbreakor Posts: 398
    When was the last time you changed your ATF? Bad fluid can cause a bunch of symptoms.
    I suspect however the problem is that the temperature sensor is not detecting a warm engine allowing shifting into 4th.
    Your best bet is to go by an Autozone and get them to read the OBDII system and tell you what code the computer is seeing. This is a free service.
  • hus060hus060 Posts: 3
    I just have my AT service with new ATF, filter, gasket and etc about 3 weeks ago. I will take the car to Autozone and let you all know later of what is the cause!
  • savvas_esavvas_e Posts: 347
    It's too much of a coincidence that you had an AT service just before your problems started.

    If I were you, I'd go back to the shop that did the service and ensure that the ATF fluid grade is correct, and the level is right. The ATF should be Dexron III grade. Anything else may cause a problem.

    Have you noticed any leaks?
  • cwmosercwmoser Posts: 227
    This is for those of you here who have experienced driving a right-hand drive vehicle - I'm curious, is the break and gas pedals swapped too? How about the controls on the steering column?
  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    My guess is that it gets boiled off, because when I changed to synthetic (that has a higher boiling point) it drastically reduced the amount of oil consumed.

    I'm not to concerned cause my truck should go 200K w/o problems and if I need to put in oil ever 2-3K thats ok with me.

    -mike
  • breakorbreakor Posts: 398
    Ditto what sawas-e said about taking it back to the shop that just did the work.
  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    Yep take it back to them. My guess is that they didn't fill it enough or left the drain plug loose.

    -mike
  • sbcookesbcooke Posts: 2,297
    Oil can also blow past the rings and burn off with the gas. High compression engines are prone to that. I believe the honda s2000 burns a considerable amount of oil, so it is not uncommon in "good" motors.
  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    I'm not sure it's that on the ISuzus, cause then if you used synthetics it should blow even more past them. Just a theory though.

    -mike
  • savvas_esavvas_e Posts: 347
    Pedals - Throttle on the right, brake on the middle, clutch and footrest on the left.

    Steering Column controls - Usually turn indicators on the right of the column, wiper controls on the left, but not always. Most European imports, except for those from the UK, have the turn indicators still on the left of the column and the wiper control on the right. This includes Holden's Astra and Barina which come from Belgium.

    Also, years ago Volvo used to bring their cars into Australia with the hood release still on the left hand side.

    I was in Europe 9 years ago and did some driving there. I had a hell of a time for the first hour or so getting used to a LHD. Turning into the wrong side of the road, opening windows instead of changing gears, wipers instead of turn indicators.

    FUN!
  • savvas_esavvas_e Posts: 347
    Actually, I've read about the more high tech unleaded engines doing this, but I'm a bit sketchy on the reasoning for it. Something to do with the absence of lead in fuel reducing the available lubrication in the head and combustion chamber.

    If that's the case, then why don't so many older unleaded engines exhibit the same behaviour?

    An example...Holden has been using the Buick 3.8 V6 in Commodores since about 1987. Until 1995, no problems. In 1995 they released the Ecotec version of this motor which has a higher power output and on average consumes 1 litre every 10,000km. It's the same block as the previous one, so why the difference? And if it is something that is allegedly required by design, then why don't all the same engines exhibit the same behaviour?

    I have been lucky. My Monterey doesn't burn oil, and my previous '95 Ecotec engined Commodore also didn't burn oil.
  • boxtrooperboxtrooper Posts: 843
    Subaru sells right hand drive vehicles in the USA for people that deliver mail. Maybe Holden could sell the 2006 Trooper here in the USA even if they don't have a left drive model.
  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    SOA doesn't sell those anymore and when they did it was a real stripped down version costing about $16K roughly, I doubt it would be worth the Importation cost to sell the Trooper LHD here. The Legacy is made in IN so there was no import tax.

    -mike
  • savvas_esavvas_e Posts: 347
    We don't even know if what they have planned will be any good. On top of that, I doubt Detroit or the UAW will allow them.
  • bluedevilsbluedevils Posts: 2,554
    1. From what I've heard/read, I thought oil consumption on the 3.2L and 3.5L Troopers was the rule, not the exception. paisan, what makes you think it's as low as 25%.

    2. Most of the 3.2/3.5L Troopers I've heard of using oil seem to do so from very early on. I.e., the problem hasn't gotten worse with age. To me, that's of less concern than a vehicle that doesn't consume oil until 50k and all of a sudden starts consuming oil.

    3. I never noticed a difference in consumption on our 98 Trooper. In this order, it has had conventional (petrol-based) oil, synthetic blend, synthetic and conventional blended by me, full synthetic, and now conventional again. It uses a quart every 2,000 miles or so. It's inconvenient to need to add oil often, but it doesn't bother me much. Actually, it serves as a good reminder of the importance to check the oil, because you never know when it will be down a half quart.
  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    Cause I know about 100+ 3.2 and 3.5 owners over on the 4x4wire and only 20-25 of them experience oil consumption problems. Not a big sampling, but as big as I can get firsthand knowledge of.

    -mike
  • bluedevilsbluedevils Posts: 2,554
    Hmmm. That makes me more curious as to why some 3.2L or 3.5L Trooper engines consume oil and some do not. I certainly have done nothing wrong with the 3.2L I owned (bought used at 27k miles) and our current 3.5L Troop (bought used at 7k).

    I wonder how many people don't actually keep very close track of the oil consumption? I'm not saying that would account for very many of the 75% who claim no consumption, but maybe a few.
  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    But I wouldn't worry about it. Could be anything that causes it during manufacturing. My 3.2 SOHC in my '97 Rodeo went 120K miles doing dino every 7500k miles and got beat to hell, never burned a drop and the Trooper I drive slightly less agressive, put in Synthetic and change it ever 5K and it consumes it.

    -mike
  • flyinlowflyinlow Posts: 62
    This may be trivia to most of you, but it applies to 2002 LS Troops and maybe others: apparently, Isuzu stopped putting in the rear footrests but forgot to remove it from the ads and window stickers. Many posts ago I asked on this board if the plastic trim at the bottom rear of the front seats was what they meant by 'foot rests', because it seemed like another case of hyping useless 'features'.

    Imagine my surprise when we got a very nice letter from American Isuzu recently advising us of their mistake and offering to compensate us. Upon calling the 800 number listed, we were given the option of either a bra or wind deflector (OEM accessory). We had no desire for either and asked for the ski rack, and the phone rep agreed. It hasn't arrived yet, and it may not bolt right to our Overlander rack, but it will sure be more useful than the footrests would have been!
  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    Yeah they are pretty cheesy IMHO.

    My guess is they ran out of them! Remember 2002 is the catch-all year for parts on the Trooper. Good find on the ski rack though!

    -mike
  • savvas_esavvas_e Posts: 347
    Europe, Asia and Australia/NZ are still getting Troopers/Bighorns/Jackaroos for another year after North America stops. Footrests and all!
  • I have a 2000 Trooper (3.5L I believe). My wife was driving home last week, when the car lost power, made a "loud knocking" noise as she pulled over on the freeway. 60 Minutes later, I had the car towed to the dealership. The Dealership told me, there was "No-Oil" in the car, there was signs of metal in the oil and the whole engine would have to be replaced!!

    How can that be?? My last oil change was 6000 miles ago, and "the manual" states 7500 miles between oil changes!! The answer I got from the Dealership was, there is no signs of leakage, consumption or burning from the engine. So that meant the Oil Changing place did not put "enough" oil in the car... So, of course, it's not covered under my warranty!!

    I then had the car towed back to the oil changing place. The manager said he would "without a doubt" find the problem!! Well,,,, He didn't.

    He put 4 quarts of oil into the car before it registered on the dipstick, meaning the car had "at least 1 quart of oil in it"!! There were also no signs of metal in the engine (to me). 2 sparks were pulled with no signs of burning. The car was then started and sounded fine.

    Neither place was able to tell me where the oil went. Isuzu says it was my responsibility to check the oil when it left the shop, as well as, every other fuel stop. NO ONE DOES THIS!!...At least No One I know, does this. The oil changing place says they put in 5 quarts.

    Who is responsible...

    1. Isuzu Dealership,
    2. Oil changing place
    3. Me!!

    Does anyone have a similar situation?? Does anyone have any ideas of what damage could have been done. If I replace the barrings (if that is the problem) how can I be sure any metal in the oil will not cause the problem again (possible spun barring(s))?? Can I get away with changing my oil every 1000 miles?? Please make suggestions!! Here or at jeff.freer@verizon.net. Thanks in advance for taking the time to read my story.

    And where did my oil go??
  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    You didn't check your oil for 6K miles and readily admitted this to the dealer?

    No offense but if I were Isuzu I'd blame it on you too. If you read the manual it clearly states that consumption of 1Q every ~1000 miles is possible, which means that I check every ~1000 miles or so, not ever other fuel up but ever 3rd one. Also if you read the manual the 7500 mile oil changes are the min. and only under non severe conditions. Any kind of summer driving would fall under severe conditions and my guess is that 80% of drivers fall under severe conditions during their normal driving habits.

    Have to go with the dealer on this one sorry.

    -mike
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