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Isuzu Trooper

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  • Replies to the 2/4/4 discussion:
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    Transmission
    I have never had any issue with shifting into 1st gear. The 1984 was an awesome shifting Trooper, the 1995 was stiffer and a long throw on the shift lever, the 2001 is stiff and a short throw with a tendancy to sometimes pop out of thrid gear if not put there firmly. My Troopers have all be gasoline engines, so the transmission might not be the same as with the diesels.
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    Value over Luxery
    I lke the lower price. I think the fancy models provide extra features that do not add value for me. I don't like leather seats for example because I wear shorts a lot. There might be some models of Troopers with different factory suspension parts, I do not know how to figure out which ones, but some people have reported that their Trooper is mushy, where mine have always been on the stiff side at least until the shocks wear out. IMHO when it is time to replace the original tires it is time to replace the original shocks for better handling and better shocks reduce tire wear by keeping them in constant contact with the road.
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    Try http://www.cars.com which lists all the ads from local papers around the country. I drove 5 hours to go buy mine from a nice family in another town.
  • raydahsraydahs Posts: 449
    Something came up the other day while stuck in traffic. I was extremely tired and rested my head against the pillar between the front and rear door only to find out, if I were T-boned like SDC2 was a while back, I would possibly get a puncture in the side of my head (temple area) due to the location of the seat belt height adjuster button. I realize that not everyone would be affected by this issue due to size, shape etc. For the record my seat is all the way back and reclined @ 30 degrees. I moved the adjuster down to the lowest position to eliminate the button hitting my head in case of a side impact g-force. You all might want to check it out.
  • sdc2sdc2 Posts: 780
    I guess that is possible if you got hit on the left instead of the right like I did. I drive with the seat all the way back, too...the 2/3 side of the back seat couln't flip up all the way because of it.
  • has anyone out there with larger tires had any problems with your ABS?

    called my tire shop today to price new tires. when i asked about super-sizing (in the McVernacular) to 265/70/16s the guy advised against, b/c the ABS system measures the rpms of the tire. since a larger tire turns at a different rate, the ABS system wouldn't work properly.

    reasonable logic, i guess, but it seems like splitting hairs--we're not talking about a huge difference in the size of the tires.

    anybody have any thoughts or observations?
  • Shocks: Trekmasters solved both issues for me. I originally purchsed the Trekmasters because I found the stock shocks didn't work well off road.
    (First trip with family on moderate trail was not pleasant) After I installed them, I happily discovered that they also solved the other handling annoyances. Downside is now my wife wants to drive my Trooper all the time instead of her mini van!

    MPG: Trooper S 4x4 Automatic. 21k miles. I usually get 14/15mpg city and 21/22 Highway. Note - My Highway milage is mostly in the mountains.but not much over 75mph. Stock Tires. I use Mobil One in Engine and Rear Diff. K&N Drop in filter. Not sure that matters. Last night upgraded to 255/70/16 BFG A/T's ,wanted sturdier & more puncture resistant tires for dirt roads. Hopefully MPG won't drop much.

    TOD: Gotta love it - Works great on pavement in snow. Push the button, and Voila, you have a Subaru type system. I don't use it off road,I need the gear multiplication of the transfer case to help slow me down. Otherwise, would be riding the brake way too much on the way down. Found this out the hard way, as TOD will let you climb up, but gets scary on the way down.

    Luxury: LS & Limited: Love that sun roof! Wish I could have gotten one just for that feature, but I'm too tall. Otherwise S model has everything I need. Really, for as cheap as Trooper go for, If you can find a good LS, go for it.

    Acceleration: Not sure if this is what you are feeling, but My 2002 Automatic has grade logic. When I'm going down a hill, it kicks in and slows Trooper down. Works great/awesome in the mountains. Feels like a downshift. Sometimes a little annoying around town, as go down a hill at 40mph and it trys to slow down. Not really a big deal, just different.

    Surge: Didn't notice it on any of the 6-8 I test drove last year.

    Good luck on your search! Good used vehicles can take time to find.
  • mkayemkaye Posts: 184
    If you haven't seen this post at the Rodeo forum:
    Plant to stop building Isuzu SUVs
    Fuji Heavy Industries Ltd., the maker of Subaru cars and wagons, agreed to end production of sport-utility vehicles for Isuzu Motors Ltd. in Indiana as Isuzu shrinks its U.S. lineup amid declining vehicle sales.

    Production of Isuzu Rodeo and Axiom sport-utilities will stop July 23 at Subaru of Indiana Automotive Inc. in Lafayette, plant spokeswoman Ann McConnell said. Subaru has built the trucks under contract for Isuzu since January 2003.
  • breakorbreakor Posts: 398
    I don't think the ABS system is that smart. That is it doesn't really know how fast you are going and decelerating against some "standard". If it did then trying to stop when going downhill, on a wet road, when fully loaded etc. would throw it off. At least that is my theory.

    Instead I think the ABS system only cares about the relative speed of each wheel. If you keep your foot on the brake pedal the system then modulates the brakes to keep the wheels from locking up. Thus, it should work as designed as long as all tires are the same size.

    That being said, larger tires will increase your stopping distance. This is due to pure physics not some artifact of the ABS programming. You have more weight and that weight is further from the center of the axle. You therefore have a higher rotating mass which takes more distance to stop.

    Is this dangerous? I am sure people have had accidents because of the longer stopping distances of larger tires. If you like to tailgate, drive fast, brake hard and at the last second, are used to sports car brake performance then such a change may be the straw that breaks the camel's back so to speak. If on the otherhand you are a cautious driver, brake early and easy, used to living with drum brakes then slightly larger tires may be something you can live with.

    My take FWIW is that 265/70-16s are going to replace the stock tires on my 99 when the time comes. Just my $.02, YMMV.
  • ostazostaz Posts: 80
    I had owned a 99 Trooper S for over a year now and have had very little trouble with it (some minor and typical stuff). I like the truck and would keep it for as long as it lasts. But... the dealer I bought the truck from called me yesterday, he has a 2001 Limited (leather, heated seats, drive by wire, grade logic, etc..)with 26k miles, "like new", etc... The difference is price (trade-in) is $3800.

    Given the Isuzu situation, should be making a new "commitment" to Isuzu, or just let it ride?
  • I would be sure that nothing is wrong with the 2001 Trooper. Check its history if possible. You might also go ahead and buy the 2001 for as low as possible, then sell your 99 yourself and hope to close the $3800 price difference. Messy but you could save money.
  • dnestrdnestr Posts: 188
    On Friday I filled the manual transmission with BP VISCO 15W40 motor oil. It has been running ~100 miles, mainly in the city. No difficulties with shifting into 1st gear at all. Perhaps, the oil is thicker than the previous one.
  • Think ABS works by preventing the wheel from locking up - as the wheel begins to stop the sensor causes the breaking force to decrease - all this at a high cycle rate - why the pulsation when you slam on the breaks - I don't think tire size or even mixed tire sizes has anything to do with it - each wheel is independent - you can't skid if none of the four wheel locks up.

    About Rodeo and Axiom production ending - now that is not good since many of the parts found in those models are also found in the Trooper - and of course all this means that more dealers will be dropping the Isuzu line, resale will drop even further - however I would expect parts and service to remain available for some years at least in the bigger markets. A 2001 Limited is a nice ride and nicely equipped. With 26K it is virtually new and the warranty transfer is good for 5 yr/60K. I know we would never sell our 01 LS TOD - leather was already installed by the dealer and we added the outside temp module and altimeter domahicky - I did relocate the outside air temp sensor to a lower location under the hood. $3800 doesn't sound bad at all.
  • ...then will Isuzu now only have the Ascender to sell? Correct me if I'm wrong but this pretty much means 2004 is the last year for Isuzu :-(

    I wonder what will happen to our warranty...
  • Think ABS works by preventing the wheel from locking up - as the wheel begins to stop the sensor causes the breaking force to decrease - all this at a high cycle rate - why the pulsation when you slam on the breaks - I don't think tire size or even mixed tire sizes has anything to do with it - each wheel is independent - you can't skid if none of the four wheel locks up.

    About Rodeo and Axiom production ending - now that is not good since many of the parts found in those models are also found in the Trooper - and of course all this means that more dealers will be dropping the Isuzu line, resale will drop even further - however I would expect parts and service to remain available for some years at least in the bigger markets. A 2001 Limited is a nice ride and nicely equipped. With 26K it is virtually new and the warranty transfer is good for 5 yr/60K. I know we would never sell our 01 LS TOD - leather was already installed by the dealer and we added the outside temp module and altimeter domahicky - I did relocate the outside air temp sensor to a lower location under the hood. $3800 doesn't sound bad at all.
  • bawbcatbawbcat Posts: 118
    I need to get a receiver hitch for my Trooper. I'm considering the Hidden Hitch class 3 which has been recommended quite a bit in the past. My main concern is that it is only rated to tow 3500 lbs in a weight-carrying (WC) config or 5000 with weight-distributing (WD). It looks like most other hitches are rated a 5000 lbs WC.

    Is the Hidden Hitch really weaker than the competition, or do they just rate their products differently?

    Paisan, in some of your past posts you've mentioned towing 5000 lbs with your Hidden Hitch. Did you use a WD adaptor with that much weight?

    Thanks
  • sbcookesbcooke Posts: 2,297
    I have 265/70R16's and the ABS works fine. I have not noticed any problems with the larger tires other than having to get them balanced correctly and a tire pull that was corrected with a side to side rotation.
  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    Hitch: I have towed up to about 6500-7000lbs with the hitch w/o WD. I generally tow 5000 w/o the WD. It would be nice to have but not a necessity.

    ABS: It compares wheel speed from wheel to wheel, hence all tires need to be the same size. My ABS works better with 275-70-16 tires I have on there.

    Out of Bizness: That sux, although they might just import them from thailand, they are still made there as well as the trooper replacement.

    -mike
  • I wonder if Isuzu drops out of North America car dealerships before bringing over the replacement Trooper, will it try to bring the replacement Trooper here at all?
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    Maybe since it sold "Duramax" to GM Isuzu will not be allowed to sell diesel SUVs in the USA. If that were true I would expect them to drop the idea of ever coming back to North America.
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    Will we see the next version as the Chevy Trooper as they are known in South America?
  • end up in a lot of GM cars and GM supplied cars. I think the Honda minivan 3.5L is a GM pushrod engine and it is also available on the new Malibu which takes its body and chassis from Saab. GM is going away from making parts and toward buying everything so maybe someday people will proudly shine up their "Isuzu Inside" labels.
  • bawbcatbawbcat Posts: 118
    Just to share my research with others on Class 3 receiver hitches for 92-02 Troopers:

    The Hidden Hitch model 87544 has been recommended here quite a bit in the past. It is mostly invisible when installed except for the receiver. See Paisan's site at www.isuzu-suvs.com for actual photos. It is only rated for 3500 lbs without a WD adaptor, but Paisan's experince shows that it can handle more. It weighs about 33 lbs, most others are > 40 lbs. Best price is at jcwhitney.com, $100 + shipping. The 4-pin wiring adaptor offered there should plug into the Troopers factory connector and costs an additional $28.

    Most other class 3 hitches for the trooper are rated for 5000 lbs without a WD adaptor vs 3500 for the Hidden Hitch. If you intend to tow heavy stuff, you might want to take that into account. I don't know if this is a true difference in the capacity of the hitches or just a difference in the rating systems.

    The most interesting alternative to the Hidden Hitch IMHO is the Reese 33043. This one weighs 42 lbs and is rated for 5000 lbs WC. It looks a little beefier than the Hidden Hitch, but doesn't use a straight square tube all the way across the back like most others. Best price I could find is about $142 + ship at 1800.hitchit.com. Here is a link to a good photo and another vendor: http://search.cartserver.com/search/search.cgi?cartid=s-2126&- bool=AND&category=r_cl4_t&maxhits=1&keywords=rp0455&a- mp;GO=GO%21

    The Trooper has a factory installed trailer wiring connector on the driver-side rear corner. You will need an adpator to convert this to whatever type of trailer wiring you need. Wiring adaptors are not included with most hitches. Rumor has it that many of the wiring adaptors available are just rebadged versions of the Hoppy unit: http://www.trailerwiring.com/cgi-bin/view.cgi?part=43255. You want something that looks like that in order to plug into the factory connector. Manufacturer's catalogs may refer to the part as a "T-connector" even though that it not literally true for this wiring adaptor. These generally cost $20-$40 depending on where you buy them. Can be found on ebay also.

    Hope this info helps someone else. :)
  • sbcookesbcooke Posts: 2,297
    It might be better if Isuzu closes shop in the US...Not that GM dealerships are great...I am sure some are. However if they outsource, we will get a bigger selections of dealerships to bring our trucks.

    My Warranty is up in August, so at this point I am just going to go to a local place anyway.
  • dnestrdnestr Posts: 188
    More than half of world autoloaders (if I'm translating right, this is a cargo vehicle which is used usually in warehouses and sea ports) have gotten them on their diesel engines.
  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    Med-duty Box-trucks are either Mitsubishi or Isuzu/Holden/GMC

    -mike
  • ever since they were introduced in the summer of 1984. Now I have been driving Troopers longer than they have been selling them in the USA, and still a decade to go before I make my goal of 30 years on 3 Troopers.
  • http://www.thecarconnection.com/index.asp?article=6838
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    GM's "Colorado" replacement for the S10 pickup is an Isuzu and the Hummer H3 will probably be based on that. http://www.chevrolet.com/colorado/
  • dnestrdnestr Posts: 188
    Boxtrooper, your case is a thing admirable in its kind! My case is much worse , I have been driving 1 year on 2 Troopers.
  • Can you give us more info on that? Is the Colorado indeed the nice and widely popular D-MAX???

    EDIT: I just checked the Colorado board and it does appear so... There go hopes for Isuzu to bring it down here under their own nameplate...
  • bawbcatbawbcat Posts: 118
    The Colorado appears to be classic GM "badge engineering". Take the D-MAX, make it uglier, ... viola, we have the Coloroado. I wonder what the underlying differences are. The engine offerings do appear to be different at least.
  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    That's way old news on the Dmax/colorado

    -mike
  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    Well lets see...

    1) Appears the coil pack I got from St. Charles was bad :( So they will be replacing my coilpack under my extended warranty

    2) $200 for Spark Plugs and replacement of them.

    3) Cats will be replaced under extended warranty

    4) Coolant temp sensor will be replaced under extended warranty

    On a positive note, when I mentioned the T-case/Tranny problem, they didn't look at me like I was crazy. Apparently they have another Trooper in there with a bad TOD Transfer case, so they are probably gonna order me up a T-case :) So that will leave the oil consumption problems which I guess will be a long-term testing type thing since there are no apparent leaks etc.

    -mike
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