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Isuzu Trooper

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  • raydahsraydahs Posts: 449
    I know of a (Cream White, pre-2000) stock Hard spare tire cover. If interested, I can e-mail the info.
  • kleinckleinc Posts: 13
    Hard cover would work. what is the cost difference between the soft/hard and will it fit the 97's spare tire mount?
  • makayemakaye Posts: 81
    sbcooke for the info on the OME's.

    RE: Autoweek article...Well, at least Isuzu has a "plan." ;-)
  • raydahsraydahs Posts: 449
    Well the cost difference is big, I’ve seen hard covers go for $150 on Ebay, the soft covers can be purchased at any off road accessory store for as little as $25. The hard covers will fit the last generation Troopers (94-02). The hard covers come with a Black insert/liner that goes on prior to the wheel being mounted. The colored one then goes on over the wheel and liner providing a sealed unit. Typically one has to have a real desire for the hard cover; otherwise if it’s just something to cover the spares ugly appearance, the soft one is probably the way to go. Here's a link to soft covers.

    http://www.4wheelparts.com/4wp/products/productLine.asp?cat=JEE&a- mp;prodline=383&catName=Jeep%2BAccessories&man=BEST
  • bluedevilsbluedevils Posts: 2,554
    our 98 Trooper has one. I think the truck actually looks better with no cover on the spare. Ours has some big vertical scratches the full length of the cover, which I foolishly tried to touch up with the proper touch-up paint without priming the area first. It looks pretty bad.

    If anybody really is looking for a hard cover and would be planning to repaint it anyway, let me know and we can probably work something out.
  • kleinckleinc Posts: 13
    Thanks for your help. I'll just deal with it for now. Cleaning it will be the only bother. I would buy another Trooper in a heart beat. I'm hoping for one in 2007 to replace my 97. I hope isuzu dumps gm soon. They killed Isuzu america. It guess the trooper was too much competition for the envoy/trailblazer.
  • sbcookesbcooke Posts: 2,297
    It does look bad. Especially the # of dealerships being cut to 250.
  • makayemakaye Posts: 81
    Not so good news. Even NOW the closest full Isuzu dealer to me is 250 miles away! The local Chevrolet dealer is ex Isuzu and provides "parts and service" which, I guess, would include warranty work. I hope.

    Well, Nissan came back strong from the brink. Here's hoping Isuzu can.
  • Hello again- Got the ($ 600) dealer teardown completed. The technicians said the head gasket was good still, and no evidence of engine overheating, but both heads are slightly warped 4/1000's of an inch- just enough to cause a misfire and coolant to leak into two cylinders. The aftermarket warranty (Century Warranty service of Jacksonville FL) is a bunch of crooks. Even though I have paid in full, and never had a claim before, they are saying that their "expert" opinion is that the car overheated, even though the Isuzu dealer and I say it did not. Luckily, I live in GA, where the small claims court limit is 15,000. I told them I will see them in court. I really loved my Trooper before this happened, now I'm thinking that maybe I should sell it and get a 4Runner or Landcruiser after all this is over with- don't know if what happened to me is a fluke, or the 1999 3.5L V-6 is an unreliable, problematic $6000 engine.
  • I went to a party the other week, and on my way out with my kids, we spotted three other Troopers parked around mine. It was not a Trooper party, just coincidence I guess, but I enjoyed that little going away sight.
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    Here's a web page to make you feel good about what your Trooper can do:
    http://www.expeditionswest.com/vehicles/ewvehicles/Isuzu_Trooper/
    http://www.off-road.com/vw/features/trooper/trooper.html
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    Even if our Troopers become a little obscure, we can still enjoy them:
    http://www.ebroadcast.com.au/ecars/Steyr/Pinzgauer.html
  • sbcookesbcooke Posts: 2,297
    How much did you pay them for the warranty?
  • bsmart1bsmart1 Posts: 377
    What seems to be the failure mode of these shocks? What symptoms are you noticing first? How many miles do you have on them when this begins to happen?

    I have a set that I'm very happy with so far. Only had them on a couple years now (25000 miles)
  • bsmart1bsmart1 Posts: 377
    I would have to say this engine failure is a 'fluke' in your case. I don't hear others coming on the board to anty up the same situation. I have a 99' that is performing wonderfully so far (69000 miles). How many miles did you have on your 99' when it failed?? It wasn't 200,000 yet was it?
  • My Trooper reliability has been great:
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    201K miles on 1984 Trooper 80Hp 1.9L 4 speed manual 201K miles 17MPG commuting, replaced alternator and belts and water pump all at 140K, replaced power steering pully, replaced carburator throttle plate for worn larger throttle butterfly valve shaft holes leaking air in. Used 1 qt. per 1000 miles at 200K miles up from 1 qt. in 4000 miles at 30K miles. Got 90K miles on each of two replacement sets of tires. Sold because I moved South and wanted A/C, plus years of salt exposure made it rusty underneath to the point of weakening the frame.
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    145K miles on 1995 Trooper 175Hp 3.2L 5 speed manual 16.5MPG commuting, timing belt and tensioner changed, fought the lifter ticking noise and was winning every battle, then totalled by rear ended so hard that the $6000 air bags exploded, Volvo that hit me was carried away on a flatbed, my Trooper was still driveable. Used no measureable amount of oil between changes, except when towing a heavy load a long way, then 1/2 qt. per 1000 miles.
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    55K on 2001 Trooper 215Hp? 3.5L 5 speed manual 17.5MPG commuting, changed all fluids, changed thermostat and serpentine belt, uses 1/2 qt. oil between oil changes, runs strong. 145K miles to go, or about 7 more years. Maybe by then there will be a new Isuzu Trooper on the market long enough to prove itself worthy of the name.
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    So far over 400K+ miles and 20+ years ($11K new, $22K new, and $14K used respectively compare that to the value in buying a Toyota land Cruiser! ) driving Troopers without any significant problems.
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    Meanwhile, my wife's minivan had to go back to the dealer for repairs 28 times (new transmission, new dashboard, cracked battery three times, etc...) in just 45K miles, replaced it with same (she likes it and I get a big discount) this time only in shop for repairs to fix leaking head gaskets, replace the radio 4 times and new brakes at 50K.
  • It was a powertrain warranty 3yrs/36,000 miles added to factory warranty. Unfortunately I should have used a more respected company like Warranty Direct who has a zero complaint record with the BBB. Had the heads looked at today by several independent mechanics who said they are barely out of tolerance- just enough to cause leakage - they thought it may have been due to improper bolt torque in the factory, or head bolt elongation over time due to the heating and cooling cycles of the engine. Valves look okay, but heads are warped 4/1000 of an inch. Dealer insists that you cannot remill/machine a 3.5L v-6 head. The machine shop guys said that was BS. Anyway, I got 4 written statements from mechanics as to the clean, well maintained look of the inside of my engine to pursue the aftermarket warranty company with in court if it comes to that.
  • sbcookesbcooke Posts: 2,297
    Good luck. Even if the engine overheated...if the problem was caused by something wrong in the engine, they should repair it.
  • makayemakaye Posts: 81
    What I noticed was a loss of control on-road. The shocks still adjust from soft to firm and on firm are rock solid over larger bumps. Over small undulations, the Trooper feels bouncy and wanders. It's NOT the suspension or alignment.

    I pulled the shocks off the front. One of the shocks has about 2" of free-play before I can hear the oil go through the valve. On a setting of 5 that play is reduced to less than 1". The other shock has almost no free-play even at the softest setting. There is no external sign of oil leakage on the shock.
  • bsmart1bsmart1 Posts: 377
    is significant. I can understand why you are getting that 'bouncy' feeling. You've got almost NO shock absorb. on the 2" play shock. That should be a no-brainer for Rancho to replace FREE if you told them and sent the shock back for warranty replacement. There's nothing you could do to cause the play to exist. That's obviously a manufacturing defect.
  • bsmart1bsmart1 Posts: 377
    4/1000's is nothing to worry about when it comes to milling them flat again. If the heads are in good shape otherwise, I'd mill em' down, slap them back on the engine and drive that baby back home!! I'd forget about court, that'll lead to delays and no restitution for you. What's the estimate to mill the heads and have an independent shop re-assemble the engine??
  • bluedevilsbluedevils Posts: 2,554
    I thought Warranty Direct had gone out of business?
  • steverstever YooperlandPosts: 40,420
    I think you are thinking of Warranty Gold.

    Warranty Direct is one of our links on the main Edmunds.com page.

    Steve, Host

    Moderator
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  • makayemakaye Posts: 81
    I generally really like the 9000's, but there is one thing that kind of bugged me from day one. In comparison to a high pressure gas shock, the reaction time is far slower. You can crank them up and achieve a solid footing - good offroad and for towing, but it doesn't speed up the reaction time. Just hardens the ride. So, you can still get the suspension jiggling or bouncing - especially side to side - going over bumps. This can even be more pronounced going slowly, say over a speed bump, dip, or drainage gulley in the road. In comparison, a high pressure shock will dampen the up and down or side to side movement more effectively.

    This may be where the OME provides significant improvement. It is a gas shock, I assume low pressure, and may control those undulations better as compared to the 9000's.

    The polyurethane bushings for the sway bars may be good too.

    Still thinking on what to do next. The KYB Monomax, being a high pressure shock are a known quality to me so I'm leaning that way. They should be softer than the Bilstein. We'll see.
  • My brother called tonite. He has an 02 Trooper. Seems in cooler weather he gets a LOT of fogging inside on the windows. Anyone have any suggestions on how to fix this. Thanks Mel
  • makayemakaye Posts: 81
    Actually, if you want to know what looks like the ultimate shock. Google the Explorer Procomp MX6. High pressure gas shock with 6 way adjustable valving. Seems the best of both worlds. Expensive and not made for Trooper.
  • makayemakaye Posts: 81
    Make sure recirculate is not on. Recirculate builds up moisture from breathing and fogs windows real fast. Second, that's what the AC is for when one uses the defogger.
  • sbcookesbcooke Posts: 2,297
    Clean the inside windows. It helps to windex them every so often.
  • bluedevilsbluedevils Posts: 2,554
    Definitely. Gotta keep the inside of the windows clean. Makes a big difference.
  • Thanks for the advice. I don't understand why the dealer insists that the heads couldn't be shaved down a bit. On head is warped 4/1000 , the other side 5/1000. A machine shop guy said he doesn't get concerned until it is over 6/1000. The Isuzu dealer insists that shaving/milling the heads will result in the pistons banging the top of the heads. The machine shop guy also said that he thinks they may have internal hairline fractures, (which started the whole ordeal) so wants to pressure test for $75. My warranty company WILL cover the repair if they have cracks, just not warping. I think the milling estimate was $150, to completely rebuild them with new valves was $800 for both.
  • Ask about an ultrasonic (or other non-intrusive test) to verify the presence of cracks. Maybe a close look at the exact measurments will tell, if the head is bigger now than spec, maybe that will prove internal cracks are taking up space.
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    I used to be a senior reactor operator at a nulcear research reactor, it is possible to look through the metal at the hydrocarbons (combustion, oil flow, etc..) inside running machinery using neutron radiation, side effect is that the parts become slightly radioactive. The metal remains just visible enough to see cracks. We did this for a diesel walk behind tiller to diagnose a lubrication problem for Yanmar.
  • Size.) Please convince me that I can afford LT265/75R16LRC on my Trooper.
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    Traction.) Is there a significant traction (stopping power is my major concern to protect myself from other drivers) advantage with
    LT265/75R16LRC(16/32 tread depth 8.1 tread width) vs.
    LT245/75R16LRC(15/32 tread depth 7.5 tread width) vs.
    P265/70R16(13/32 tread depth 7.8 tread width)
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    Wear.) I read some reviews, is seems that a heavily loaded or poorly aligned Revo will wear out quickly. Will the larger size last longer because it is running at a lower percent of its full load? If it lasts longer dos that necessarily mean the rubber will be too hard to get a good grip on cold pavement? Tread Depth, my expereience has been to run 255/70 Revos from 13/32 to 3/32 will be about 50K miles, so that's 10/32's over 50K miles or 1/32 per 5K miles, does it follow then that I should get 15K more miles out of the LT265's that have 3/32 more tread to start with?
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    MPG.) those of you that run LT265/75R16LRC, how much MPG did you lose compared to stock tires? Going from 18 MPG commuting to 16 MPG will cost me 347 gallons of gasoline at $2.05/89 Octane that's $711.80 over 50K miles. Therefore a 2 MPG loss more than doubles the cost of the tires. Do I gain more than good looks from the larger size? I am not an avid off-roader, but I do go off road once in a while.
    (LT265/75R16LRC are 31.8 in. diameter 48lb.)
    (LT245/75R16LRC are 30.7 in. diameter 41lb.)
    (P245/70R16 are 29.6 in. diameter 36lb.)
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    Summary: The difference in tire price vs. size is small. The real cost of a larger tire is lost MPG. Will the savings of a longer lasting tire and the advantage of nicer looking bigger tires offset the extra cost for fuel? This is subjective, I know, but what do you think?
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    Revo Sizes including weight:
    http://www.bridgestonetire.com/tireselector/dpp/sizespecs.asp?pas- - - - - sproductid=1055
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    Competitive tires:
    LTX M/S has no LT245/75R16LRC, LT265/75R16LRC is 47lbs, expensive.
    Yokohama G051 has not LT245/75R16LRC, but is a low cost high MPG tire.
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    Thank you for your help, I hope I am not boring you with my excessive thinking about tires.
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