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Isuzu Trooper

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  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    Actually since we don't have that place behind the hood that normally scoops up snow and builds up, I would think ou wipers would be less likely to jam. Normally wipers tuck under the hood and snow builds up there. On ours we have no such spot just a nice smooth flat place for the snow to run off. :)

    -mike
  • uniconunicon Posts: 18
    I have not had any problems with my brakes at 25k miles on 99 Trooper (only the tires), but since about 5k miles I've noticed that the rear drums have a lot of surface rust. Anyone else notice this, or care?

    Probably makes little difference, but I look at other SUVs and don't see this so much.
  • Hey Unicon!,
    If your rear DRUMS are rusting you have a Cadillac Escalade not an Isuzu Trooper. Last time I checked, 4 wheel Discs!!!

    I assume you made a brain-fart?
  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    Interesting. I think the last Trooper that had drums was back in 86 or 87. After that it's been 4-wheel disc brakes on all Troopers and Rodeos since about 90 or 95! :)

    -mike
  • gchernya-

    Sorry to bash you, but, if you give the Trooper some time it will prove itself to be a much better vehicle than a 1990 Chevy Corsica or 1992 Chevy Caprice!!!

    You will be amazed 100k miles down the road that it is rattle free, the switches still work, the headliner is not hanging down in your face, the seat covers are not ripped, and you have not replaced the transmission for the third time!

    Try looking out the [non-permissible content removed] windhshield before turning on the frigging wipers and assess if you need to take action or whether you can reasonably expect a machine to determine for you if it can clear your windshield or kill itself trying!

    By a new BMW 7 Series if you need a car with a computer that will say "Dave...there is snow on the windshield and if you turn on the wipers it may burn out my wiper motor. I cannot allow that to happen Dave...."

    Move to Florida!
  • What is this about the "motor load becoming too large" re: "frozen vipers" and "vipers on a dry windshield" . Do you live in an area with a lot of snakes? If so how can you resonably expect Isuzu to research all possible scenarios, such as removing frozen or unfrozen vipers from your windshield? Maybe you should call Isuzu's 800# and inform them of your situation. They may want to make a running change on the Axiom and Rodeo...and possibly the new "Assender" to alleviate further complaints of this type.
    Since the Trooper is (sadly) being discontinued, I doubt if they would be willing to do a recall or modification of the current version, but it may be worth a try!
    - Dave
  • The deep pitting is very odd and may indicate a problem elsewhere. A light coat of surface rust is to be expected when the vehicle sits for a long time, as rotors are usually made of cast iron and are very susceptible to rusting. He may be driving through runoff that is very corrosive, such as from salt on the roads. Salty water will pit iron faster than anything. Or, he may live in an industrial area where some local industry is discharging corrosive runoff from their property. Yuck.

    Can't wait to see what GM does with the new
    AssEnder.

    Offroader
  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    I like that, from here out I will refer to the new Isuzu as the ASSender*! :)

    -mike

    *TM Arktrooper1
  • tidestertidester Posts: 10,110
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  • You guys are blasting Gchernya too much.

    So that you know he isn't the only guy, my rotors (on my 98) rust noticably OVERNIGHT if it is damp out. It doesn't do any damage, I just drive off, but I can imagine that if you never drive the thing, significant rust could accumulate.

    Gchernya, you are being too hard on the Trooper. It is generally considered, not just by people here, but by serious off-roaders and hard drivers everywhere, too be one of the best vehicles around. You don't have to look too hard to find that opinion.

    My dealer charges about $400 for a 30K service. And it does not have to be done by the dealer - just find a mechanic you trust that'll charge you less.
  • however, I don't see anyone taking offense to our rather colorful new name for the Ascender...LOL:)

    Mike - what is your email address please, I need to email you - Thanks! - Dave
  • Not to be a smartypants, but here's a revelation for you: Even Troopers with discs at all four corners (since around 91) ALSO have drum brakes in the rear. They are activated when you pull the parking brake handle in the center console.

    And in answer to the original question about rust on the brake drums, yes, they do accummulate some exterior surface rust but I wouldn't worry about it.

    Rgds, Marty
    95 Trooper LS (Just passed 180K!)
  • sbcookesbcooke Posts: 2,297
    I do have a lot of exterior rust on what look like drums on the rear wheels? When I asked the dealer about it, they just said that due to breaking heat and weather they can't do anything about the exterior rust.

    Do a lot of you have rust there? Are there drum breaks inside?
  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    Dave,
    It's mike@iace.com

    -mike
  • Here couple more things. About non - principal surfaces of the brake rotors in front and rotors/parking brake drums in rear - they do can rust, and it is nothing wrong with it. It would newer affect quality of braking. Principal surfaces, where brake pads touch - is a different story. I do keep three times of normal distance to the car in front of me when I drive my Trooper.
    About wipers - when I went to the dealer with my problem they do suggested solution. I don't know how it is called, but it is a thing with long handle, like a rake, and 2 or 3 feet wide with soft rubber edge. It is used to remove snow from the roofs of cars in fleets, or dealerships, and some owners use it too. It is not easy to come by in stores like Pep boys or Home depot, but I've got one on garage sale later that year. I have to admit that it is very handy in compare with usual devices for snow removal, much less snow in the sleeves after that. Only trouble, if snowstorm will hit at night, you have to stay up and go clean it from time to time to prevent snow accumulation on the roof of the trooper. So I do the vipers up trick in winter. And sure, you can take the junk out of the garage and store trooper inside, like it was intended to. But if you think that digging out the garage door is fun...
    About wiper fuse and obstructed or frozen wipers. Ok, I did not do it. I did not turn on the wipers when they were frozen. My silly wife come home couple of days before in a drizzling rain, and forgot to turn off wipers from interminent position. I got into trooper several days after that, and after the cold snowy night, and proceeded to start it to make it warm up while cleaning the snow and icing. I never drive cars without warm up in the winter. While cleaning the ice, I've heard a sound like a gunshot - link in the wiper assembly snapped, and I had another headache to deal with that day. Resetable fuse for wipers suppose to protect me in situation like this from expensive repairs and inconveniences. Should it work properly all my problem would be to wait 5 min for the fuse to cool down and reset, making wipers operable again.
    About foreign - domestic: I really don't care. Functionality, likes, and cost of vehicle and cost of ownership - that what counts. I currently owned Olds Intrigue, Mercury Grand Marquis, Trooper and venerable Chevy Corsica, which nobody wants to take as trade in, so it is just sitting without tugs, waits to become collectible (Ha - Ha). I bought trooper as a daily driver, but quickly abandoned that idea, as cost of ownership in this case is sky high. So now it serves poorly few other purposes:
    a) Spare car - sounds fussy, but I needed one at some point of life.
    b) Winter driver - besides of above-mentioned problems there some more. One icy road my Mercury with electronic traction control feels safer then trooper. Thing is, TOD like to shut of 4wd on a speeds under 5-7 mph, and limited sleep differential is not very useful if you have to move backwards in reverse.
    c) Utility hauler - don't ask don't tell. I cannot count how many times I had to unbolt rear row or the seats.
    This fall I had to unbolt the front seat too to accommodate boxes of hardwood flooring. If utility matters for you, never ever buy truck with rear swing doors. It's only good for groceries shopping or for dog owners. My vote is going to lift gate, and the one that can be left open while driving, and hold some load too.
    I have a small utility trailer, but there couple of thoughts about it. You cannot take it on highway - safe speed of trailer is only like 45 mph. And you cannot see the small trailer even with large trooper mirrors, so it is not really comfortable to use on a long distances. I had to go for the flooring to the store 70 miles away, so using trailer for this was not an option. Also flimsy rooftop is a bad place for any kind of serious utility load.
  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    You definitely bought the wrong vehicle. You need a 1978 F150 extended cab with cap and 8ft bed. As for the TOD I have driven it through some of the worst snow anywhere (Adirondack lake effect snow) w/o any problems.

    -mike
  • kw9kw9 Posts: 13
    93 Trooper LS 30,000 miles. Help! I'm still having problems with the Check Trans light flashing periodically! Trans goes into fail safe mode - 3rd gear, and i have to run manually. If I turn off and start again it's fine. Happened three times on an 80 mile drive today. All three times as i was slowing for traffic light or stopped at light. I don't always notice it has happened so it is a safety hazard if I try to pull out into traffic. Wife won't drive "death trap". Also happened last weekend twice as I slowed for tolls on long highway trip. Dealer has added trans ground to solve, seemed to work for a little while but no longer. Next time he replaced battery cable connection that was bad (also caused starting problem) and that seemed to work for a little while but no longer. It has happened while he has car so he knows it exists. Doesn't show any codes or none that are helpful.
    Any ideas??

    Also very hard to start - dealer says depress pedal 20% to allow more air - seems to work - do others have to do this?

    What is the correct oil pressure reading supposed to be? Mine seems to bounce all over but settle at around 50 when at 2500rpm.

    THANKS
  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    30K on a 93! I have 30K on my '00 already. Maybe one of the grounds has come un-done again? Or there is an ECU problem?

    -mike
  • Recently, the stereo in my 95 LS started buzzing intermittently and just quit, taking the clock and side mirror retractors with it. I checked the fuse box, saw a blown fuse, replaced it and solved the problem. A few days later, the same thing happened, proceeded by the same buzzing noise. This time no blown fuse. Any advice as to the cause and possible fix? I'm fairly mechanically inclined but don't know where to start on this one. I'd like to try to tackle it myself before taking it to a dealer and pay the ol' hourly rate. Thanks!
  • kw9kw9 Posts: 13
    93 Trooper LS 30,000 miles. Help! I'm still having problems with the Check Trans light flashing periodically! Trans goes into fail safe mode - 3rd gear, and i have to run manually. If I turn off and start again it's fine. Happened three times on an 80 mile drive today. All three times as i was slowing for traffic light or stopped at light. I don't always notice it has happened so it is a safety hazard if I try to pull out into traffic. Wife won't drive "death trap". Also happened last weekend twice as I slowed for tolls on long highway trip. Dealer has added trans ground to solve, seemed to work for a little while but no longer. Next time he replaced battery cable connection that was bad (also caused starting problem) and that seemed to work for a little while but no longer. It has happened while he has car so he knows it exists. Doesn't show any codes or none that are helpful.
    Any ideas??

    Also very hard to start - dealer says depress pedal 20% to allow more air - seems to work - do others have to do this?

    What is the correct oil pressure reading supposed to be? Mine seems to bounce all over but settle at around 50 when at 2500rpm.

    THANKS
  • gtroopgtroop Posts: 85
    Check for a reset box in the drivers side kick panel (I think this is where the fuse box is located as well). My sunroof and windows stopped working a couple of times and I just reset that - I'm not sure is anything else stopped as it was a few months ago. Call the dealer if that doesn't work, maybe they'll have some advice.

    As for the utility of the Trooper - I have hauled 12 foot long boards in mine. If you had the sunroof (the main reason I bought the Trooper over the Rodeo) you can use the sunroof to hang things out of. Just tie them up and secure to the "Oh sh*t handle" in the back seat area. If I need anything bigger than the Trooper can accomodate I just borrow one of the relatives trucks.

    The wife taking the Trooper can kill a home improvement project. Try fitting 8 foot long 2 x 4's in a Diamante with a 3 month old in a car seat. Good thing Lowe's is close.
  • Does anybody know if its normal for the cig lighter to be un-powered when the Trooper is not running? I just purchased a car charger for my cell phone, & if it only works when I'm driving, its pretty much useless to me.

    Has anybody came up with a work-around for keeping power to the lighter at all times?

    This is the only vehicle that I have ever owned, where power to the cig lighter wasn't always on. The irony is that this is the first time I have ever needed to use the lighter in any vehicle.

    David
  • BTW my Trooper is a 2000 S
  • OK, this is weird. The "W" key and the "V" key aren't anywhere close to each other. And to keep intermittently using the wrong key is just plain spooky.

    However I could be way off base here, our friend might really be trying to clear frozen vipers off his windshield. You never know...
  • thats the first thing i checked to confirm where the "v" and the "w" keys were! im voting for, literally, frozen vipers on the windshield! but what is the "vipers up trick"? i wont even go into that! LOL

    gchernya - i am truly sorry you feel the way about your trooper, but honestly, i feel mine is the best vehicle ive ever owned to date - no the trooper is not perfect - what vehicle is? - but i owned five new toyotas (pretty much universally accepted as one of the automotive benchmarks) in a row before owning the trooper and i think ive got a pretty good frame of reference - re: your grand marquis, a rear driver /w/ traction control feeling safer than the trooper with TOD engaged? -exactly how is that possible? - as far as removing the front seat to accomodate boxes of firewood, how much were you trying to carry and would you not have had to do this in other similarly sized vehicles as well? - sorry, i guess im just clueless and have not realized that ive been driving a piece of crap for the last year and a half - Dave
  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    Dave,
    You probably always had american cars! Almost all foreign cars turn off the cig lighter when the ignition is off. It's not a problem, it's a feature. You could probably run a jumper to it from the fuse box which would defeat the off when ign is off.

    -mike

    PS: I think he's just a troll. with the viper/wiper stuff
  • kw9kw9 Posts: 13
    Paisan - my 93 LS actually has 35 K now. I bought it used with 26K. It was a summer only car on Nantucket prior to me.

    I'll check the ground again as you suggested as well as check the ECU. Appreciate the thoughts. Trying new dealer next week to see if he has any ideas. I have warranty to cover repairs ($100 deductable)just wish we could figure out what needs to be fixed! I was hoping someone else had experienced the same problem.
  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    I wonder if the salt may have had something to do with it? Just a thought.

    -mike
  • youve got email coming your way - let me know what you think - dave
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