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Honda Civic LX vs Nissan Versa SL

dbp54dbp54 Posts: 5
edited March 8 in Honda
Hi all,
I need a new compact sedan to replace my 10 year old car. After doing some research over the internet, it comes down to Honda Civic LX Automatic or Nissan Versa SL (with CVT, ABS and convenience packages).

Yesterday I contacted several dealers and gets quite good offers on both (even lower than invoice ;-) ). Both cars will cost me approximately the same amount of money.

At the moment I really don't know what to choose. I like both, especially the Civic - for the look, styling, reliability and power. Besides, I can get the Civic now, instead of pre-order and wait for 2 months for the Versa.

However we have a small child and plan to have more in the next couple of years, so safety is the most important to us. Both of them are highly rated in crash tests, front, side and rear. But the Versa has 2 things that the Civic doesn't: BRAKE ASSIST (BA) and TIRE PRESSURE MONITORING SYSTEM (TPMS).
I don't know much about the real effectiveness of these 2 features, so please help! Any idea on how well they perform in reality?
Any help is appreciated!
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  • jacksan1jacksan1 Posts: 504
    Hi. I am not sure what you mean by the brake assist. Are you referring to the EBD(electronic brake force distribution)?

    By the way, according to the Consumer Reports, the Versa without ABS came in (tied with the Toyota Yaris w/o ABS) as having the worst dry braking performance of all the cars they had tested for the year prior to the current annual auto issue. They also remarked that even with ABS the Versa's braking performance was not that impressive. I don't have on hand the stopping distance of the Civic, but i remember that CR had said nothing negative about it.

    If you have reviewed this forum or NICO Versa forum, you will notice that a large number of people have been reporting problems with the Versa's TPMS. It may be a liability, instead of an asset.
  • dbp54dbp54 Posts: 5
    Hi,
    Thanks for the info. If I choose Versa, I'm going to order one with ABS. It's a must cos our safety concern.

    Regarding braking distance, the Versa with ABS stops at 136 ft (from 60mph), the Civic stops at 130 ft. The difference is only 6 ft.

    About Brake Assist (BA): I read somewhere that 90% of drivers did not push hard enough on the brake in an emergency situation. BA will assist in such cases by "assisting" enough force to the brake.

    I guess Edmund's reviewers pressed the brake pedal as hard as they could when they tested the cars, so 130ft and 136ft are ideal distances.
    In real world, BA will likely help Versa drivers stop at close to 136 ft, while the lack of it in Civic means 90% of Civic drivers will not be able to stop at close to 130ft (how much more? I don't know).

    Honestly I'm not sure if my logic is correct as I only did my research over the internet for the last day or two, so please correct me if I'm wrong.
  • jacksan1jacksan1 Posts: 504
    Given that we can safely assume that the Edmunds testers knew what they were doing, if a car WITHOUT BA stops shorter than another car WITH BA, to me that indicates a poor braking performance of the car with BA. That result, of course, must be remembered as being a combination of multiple things. Many a Versa owner, for instance, complained about the poor traction of the OEM Contiental tires. Changing the tires may actually improve the Versa's braking performance (or may make it worse). The Versa's taller profile may also have something to do with it (higher center of gravity and larger weight shift forward).

    To you, it ought to make no difference what 90% of other drivers are doing. What is important is whether or not YOU can stop. If you know how to apply the full brake force, then by using the Edmunds' results, you can estimate that you will stop quicker in a Civic than in a Versa (by the way, 6 feet doesn't seem much, but there is a big difference in the aftermath between hitting something/someone and stopping 6 feet short of it).

    I am saying all these because braking performance is an important issue to you. For some of us, maybe it is not that important (it is to me). Everyone puts a different emphasis on different parts of the same car.
  • lemonhaterlemonhater Posts: 110
    I bough the versa sedan and LOVE IT…Great little car, and I really have very few complaints. However if I were you I would buy the Civic because you like it better and the two things that you listed are not THAT big a deal safety wise.
  • dbp54dbp54 Posts: 5
    Ideal conditions (Edmund testers):
    - Civic: 130 ft
    - Versa w/ABS & BA: 136 ft
    Real world conditions (90% of drivers):
    - Civic: 160 ft (for example)
    - Versa w/ABS & BA: 140 ft

    I really like the styling and quality of the Civic but the Versa is a bit larger inside, has more features, and perhaps a bit safer. Hmm... so hard to choose.
  • jacksan1jacksan1 Posts: 504
    perhaps a bit safer

    Be sure to check the crash safety ratings at NHTSA and IIHS and compare the two vehicles:

    http://www.safercar.gov/
    http://www.iihs.org/ratings/default.aspx
  • lemonhaterlemonhater Posts: 110
    Well the tires on the Versa are not high quality. I suggest you test drive one. I own one and I would defaintly not choose the current stock ones. They don't have enough grip.

    I love the convince pakagae on mine. I don't have the abs, and I do wish I had more braking power, but then again it isn't horrific just not stop on a dime.

    The CVT is differnt than an auto and the car behaves a tad differently. On a whole the CVT is smoother than a automatic, but it can be a tad jerky at times to(i.e. if you punch it).
  • dbp54dbp54 Posts: 5
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    Be sure to check the crash safety ratings at NHTSA and IIHS and compare the two vehicles:

    http://www.safercar.gov/
    http://www.iihs.org/ratings/default.aspx

    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

    IIHS tests show both cars have "Good" rating across the board.
    Government tests show Civic slightly better in frontal crash, while Versa slightly better in side crash.
    They both weight approximately the same.

    So it's safe to say they offer the same level of protection in crashes.

    But (on paper) the Versa LS is a bit better at PREVENTING crashes with it's Brake Assist (which comes with ABS package) and TPMS.
  • lemonhaterlemonhater Posts: 110
    The trouble with the TPS is it only tells you if your tires are inflated correctly. It won't warn you that the tire is about to have a blow out or somethihng. Correct inflation does in theory help braking and handing but frankly in terms of safety both cars are a wash.

    From my experince the with a non abs versa, it does not have good braking and the tires do not grip well to the road. In fact that is one of the few things I would change about the car.

    Otherwise I love the car. I love it's roomyness. Love the conveince pakage.

    If it were between the versa and the civic, and I liked the way the civic looked better. I would take the civic. There just isn't enough of a safety difference between the two cars to sweat about. Infact I would say either no safety difference OR if there is one it goes to the civic(not the versa).
  • i current drive an accord v6 and my pops has a civic lx auto

    the civic has pretty awesome handling for having "softer" suspension that the coupe and the SI, and even in several hard stops, i didn't notice any real significant brake fade

    from my understanding, the sentra's frame is a crossover from small SUV?

    defenitely opt for the civic, you will not regret it, even Consumer Reports says that it is the best small sedan under 20k and I have to agree after driving numerous cars
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,681
    ...the Versa is a bit larger inside

    I don't know what you mean by "a bit larger," but I sat in the Civic LX and the Versa hatch and sedan today within a few minutes of each other at my local auto show and the Versa seemed MUCH roomier inside than the Civic, both in rear legroom and in headroom. The rear legroom of the Versa is amazing for a car its size. When I adjusted the driver's seat height (SL) fairly high for good thigh support, I was able to move it forward too. I am 5'10", 32" inseam. With the driver's seat so adjusted, I had tons rear legroom, partly because there's a lot of space under the front seat for feet. There was more rear legroom than in the new Altimas sitting next to the Versas (partly because there isn't as much foot room under the Altima's seat). The Civic by comparison had much less rear legroom and also much less headroom, so it felt claustrophobic compared to the Versa. I thought the driving positions of both cars were good.
  • langjielangjie Posts: 247
    But they are both really good cars. The edge with the civic is that it's a little bit bigger and reliability shouldn't be an issue.

    The edge with the versa is that you are getting more car for your money (bluetooth, intellikey, EBD, TPMS, alloy rims i think)

    Even if the TPMS on the Versa doesn't work that well and only tells you when the tire is inflated incorrectly, it's better then nothing at all.

    If you can live without the extra's you get for a Versa, then I would definitely go with the civic based on reliability and the fact that you like the styling more. I'm surprised you would need to pre-order a Versa, there should be plenty of dealerships that have them, I'm sure you can find one for the same price
  • flightnurseflightnurse 35K feetPosts: 1,590
    The sentra plateform is from a European car, not a crossover SUV, Nissan is coming out this Nov, with a Escape, CRV, RAV-4 size corssover SUV that is on the same plateform as the Sentra.
  • sandman46sandman46 Posts: 1,798
    Got out of a Nissan last year and into a Honda, Sentra and Civic. No comparison...Honda wins hands down. And I've had Nissan, Toyota, Isuzu & Datsun. For my money in the small/economy car...Honda rules! No more questions.

    The Sandman :)
  • bobw3bobw3 Posts: 2,997
    money in the small/economy car...Honda rules! No more questions. ...unless you put passengers in the rear seat, want more cargo space and the versatility of a hatchback...if you value those, get a Versa (or a Fit).
  • sandman46sandman46 Posts: 1,798
    I've put 2 of my kids in the back seat of my Civic and have no complaints yet. And they are 20something. I do agree on the versatility of the Versa and similar hatchbacks though. That's what makes these cars great for 1st time buyers like my kids will be soon. Small enough on the outside, but roomy enough inside. After having sat in both the Versa and the Fit, I liked the Fit the best overall, but the Versa felt a bit roomier inside. Maybe it's because the windows just seemed larger.

    The Sandman :)
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,681
    There is no comparison between the rear seats of the Versa and Civic. The Versa has more stretch-out room than even some mid-sized cars like the Altima. The Civic has just enough for medium-sized adults (like me). If rear-seat leg room is an important criterion, the Versa has it hands-down over the Civic, and every other car in the class.
  • flightnurseflightnurse 35K feetPosts: 1,590
    I had some co workers in my versa, both were 6'3+ and had no problems. You could never do that in a civic. The VErsa has more room thena Civic or Fit.
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    I am 6'4", and picked up my father (6'3"), and his boss (6'5") from the Airport in his own car (2007 Civic EX) because my mother was using my Accord. We all fit fine after seats were adjusted. The only big issue was rear-seat headroom. Was room abundant? No, but it was plenty for the 40 minute ride.

    I don't get to see the Civic anymore, or my folks for that matter... they moved 700 miles away!
  • flightnurseflightnurse 35K feetPosts: 1,590
    Any car is doable for short trips, but the key statement in your posting was "after the seats were adjusted." to get my Co-workers in the versa I didn't have to adjust any seats for them to sit in the car.
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