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Hummer Gas Mileage

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  • okko1okko1 Posts: 327
    if you don't like them don't buy them. i'm sure there's a kia with your name on it. :P
  • dmathews3dmathews3 Posts: 1,739
    Sounds to me like he wants to go back to the days when the only choice was a model T in any color you want as long as it was black. I'd like to know what kind of job he has that he can make the comment about letting GM go out of business. I'm betting within a year he to will be out of a job along with the other 3 to 5 million people that are directly impacted by GM from suppliers to dealers to the corner store. The government figures that CNN posted on line last week said if GM went out of business it would put us into a depression. It would cost the government 56 Billion the first year, 156 billion the second year and up to 500 Billion in 3 to 5 years. Just think of the tax dollars we would lose if GM went out of business. Payroll taxes gone, property taxes gone, and the many, many millions of dollars GM employes give to different charities. How can anyone make such a off the cuff remark just because a Hummer in his opinion is to heavy. So everyone should drive a Smart car as I'm guessing it is the lightest car now on the road.
  • okko1okko1 Posts: 327
    i would agree. when you buy american you buy more than just the car. you are investing in the future of your people and your country. gm,ford, and chrysler all build good cars. the problem i think is perception. quality costs money. and with the service programs offered on the H3 cost per mile is competitive. :D
  • phisherphisher Posts: 175
    If you didn't know most honda's, toyota's ect are assembled here in america by american workers. While cars like the chevy aveo are assembled in Mexico and others are assembled in places like Korea. Just in case you forgot until recently Chrysler was a German Company. Just because a manufacturer started in america doesn't mean that thats where there cars are made. As far as the increased costs for domestics I saw a recent estimate that the first $1600 of a cars price come directly from health care costs. I'm amazed that the big 3 aren't screaming for national health care like other industrialized countrys. I'm not saying that that is the magic answer just that it's hard to compete when you start off $1600 in the red per car.
  • dmathews3dmathews3 Posts: 1,739
    May be assembled here but their profits don't stay here. I also wonder what the american people would say if the Big 3 ganged up on Washington demanding a national health system. They may want it and may lobby for it behind closed doors but I think for the most part they stay out of politics. Even when Congress ups the mileage figures they complain what it will cost them but I don't ever remember them going all out to stop it. They [non-permissible content removed] a little and follow through. So what do we do? I'm not really for national health care. My friend from Canada had a knee replacement same as I did last year. He had to wait almost 2 1/2 years before his turn came up and he was shocked that I decided I wanted one and waited less than a month. So he suffered in pain all that time while I was back up and working in a month due to mine not detereating from the wait.
  • okko1okko1 Posts: 327
    again i would agree with mathews, follow the money. and as for vehicles from mexico , why not we have plenty of people here from mexico. :confuse:
  • stevedebistevedebi LAPosts: 3,719
    "just another reason to put a bullet into GM

    it's exemptions and tax breaks for cars like the Hummer that clearly show a lack of vision and undue poor influence in Washington. Of course no one in the current administration really cares about curbing our use of oil. "

    Actually, the exemption was provided because most vehicles above 3 tons are used for business purposes, such as contractors, farmers, etc.

    Blame the customers for buying 3 ton vehicles - GM built them because the customers wanted them.
  • okko1okko1 Posts: 327
    yes your absolutely right , it's good to be king. just remember what a wise man once said , dance with the one that brought you or drive yourself home. you have your options and i have mine. peace and may your hyundi bring you many minutes of happiness. :shades:
  • phisherphisher Posts: 175
    Actually the profits go to the shareholders and they can be located anywhere. Sure some of the profits go to Japan but the majority go to the shareholder. As far as health care goes sure other countrys have problems but I was trying to point out that it's hard to compete when you start out at a disadvantage compared to everyone else. :)
  • dmathews3dmathews3 Posts: 1,739
    When is the last time here in America have you ever talked with a Shareholder from Japan? I talked with my money guy who has been in the business for almost 25 years and he said he has never met one either. Reason I asked is that your answer on profits go to shareholders which is the standard answer from people on these Yahoo sites use for justifing their purchase of foreign junk. So I asked him and told him why I was asking him. He thought it interesting and called me the next day after talking about it around the water cooler type talk and no one else has either. Point being is american money, american company, money for the most part stays here. Foreign car, Foreign car, most of the money goes there.
  • Stever@EdmundsStever@Edmunds YooperlandPosts: 38,950
    I used to have some shares in a Japanese weighted ETF and they owned some car companies (forgot which ones - Honda and Toyota iirc). I still have some shares in an Asian weighted ETF and they own some Hyundai last I checked.

    I have some Ford/Holden and probably lots of other auto related stock buried in those things but usually I just skim the major industries the funds hold. Tell your money guy he needs to diversify so he can lose his shorts worldwide like the rest of us have. :)

    But ... we're really hear to talk about HUMMER MPG.

    For the other issues, check out Buying American Cars What Does It Mean?.
  • stevedebistevedebi LAPosts: 3,719
    "yes your absolutely right , it's good to be king. just remember what a wise man once said , dance with the one that brought you or drive yourself home. you have your options and i have mine. peace and may your hyundi bring you many minutes of happiness."

    You talkin' to me? Well, I confess I did own a 1989 Excel (for about a year), but my current ride is a Ford Escape Hybrid...

    Back on topic, I'm wondering how many people actually use the excellent off-road capabilities of their H2?

    OK, REALLY on topic, what MPG would it get off-road, or is it so bad on-road that it doesn't really make a difference.
  • nsbio1nsbio1 Posts: 47
    Shouldn't it be not MPG but rather, GPM (gallons per mile) rating for these?
  • okko1okko1 Posts: 327
    actually does better per mile than some ford pickups and explorers. and as for off road it is a silly guestion. i don't care what someone's boat cost to run on the water. if you have an atv enjoy yourself. 16 t0 18 mpg is more than acceptable to me. what with all gas everybody else is saving under obama's plan there is plenty for me. :D
  • tidestertidester Posts: 10,110
    but rather, GPM (gallons per mile)

    How about MPQ (miles per quart). That might get you up into double digits! :P

    tidester, host
    SUVs and Smart Shopper
  • okko1okko1 Posts: 327
    you may be on to something he-he-he ;)
  • wlbrown9wlbrown9 Posts: 837
    PG&E is buying a couple of PHEV SUV's from these guys

    http://www.greencarcongress.com/2008/02/pge-to-purchase.html

    Looks like they are using an H3. See the video:

    http://www.rasertech.com/media/movies/html/fev_jan09.html
  • dr_benzdr_benz Posts: 1
    CONGRADULATIONS!... H1 Hummers can go green!!... Converting your Fuel Guzzling Diesel H1 to CNG can triple your fuel mileage!

    1) CNG is Compressed natural gas (the same stuff you heat your home with)... you can install a home fueling station, or (in our area) WeEnergies has a public pump with CNG now at .97cents per gallon!
    2) In a Diesel Many people are doubling or tripling there fuel mileage 30-40mpg is very common on hybrid systems... use diesel or CNG (compared to 15-18mpg on diesel only)
    3) torque is often 100-200ft lbs higher
    4) CNG is more than 90% less polluting
    5) Longer oil change intervals (engine runs cleaner)
    6) Engines last longer (do to the absence of contamination).
    7) Non EPA approved systems are about $3500 installed, EPA approved systems are $6000-$12000 (niether system is better, but BIG OIL is doing eveything they can to slow down the CNG revolution!...
    Did you know the EPA is claiming they are restricting CNG installations in the name of "Public Safety?"... when in fact the EPA only has authority on air quality.. they have no authority over "public safety" only air quality "Does this REEK of BIG OIL?"
    Also.. the EPA is charging manufacturers $250,000 to test thier equipment?... WTF?... (but no certification is required on the installer end?.... YIKES...Did you know the rest of world is moving very fast converting everything from Construction equipment, Transit buses, Trucks, Forklifts, etc!

    Some say CNG tanks are dangerous. but lets look at the truth!... CNG is lighter than LP (propane), Deisel and gasolene, in the event of an accident CNG tanks have been tested in 100mph impacts without rupturing.. even if they did the gas escapes into the air... unlike LP or gasolene that puddles on the ground... and spreads an explosive flame!... what would you rather have?... a stamped tin or plastic Bomb under your car filled with gasolene?... or a tank than can withstand 100mph impacts?

    WAKE UP AMERICA! the USA and Canada have a 250 year supply of Natural Gas.. that gives us an almost pollution free alternative... until Electrc Batteries are 75% cheaper, we can refuel them with solar, and battery life is at least 25years!.. Lets forget about Hydrogen... its doesn't make sense to take huge amounts of energy to convert Natural Gas to Hydrogen!... why would anyone want to take a fuel NG... spend tons of money to convert it to another fuel?... just use the base fuel to begin with (CNG).... Am I the only one that gets this????
    Dr. Benz
  • mac24mac24 Posts: 3,910
    edited March 2010
    Well, I certainly can't fault your enthusiasm. :)

    However, I'm sure you know that while a CNG conversion to a gas engine is relatively simple, converting a diesel engine is a much more complex and expensive process.

    Unlike a gas engine which actually benefit from an increase in compression if desired, a diesel must have its compression ratio reduced, which is usually done by changing the pistons.
    Next, the gas injection has to be in a very non-linear fashion to meet the differing requirements as throttle opening and load changes, which will require an additional ECU. Fueling of the diesel injectors can be reduced though, but this will require reprogramming or replacement of the vehicle's ECU.
    The CNG/diesel fuel mix doesn't ignite under compression so easily now, so an ignition system must be added and controlled.

    Of course, this is a picture painted in broad brush strokes and there's a lot more in the details.
    Perhaps the availability of CNG should also be considered. Probably all that need be said on that score is that major users of CNG in their vehicles usually take care of their own fueling needs and keep their fleet close to home.

    So, for my H1 it certainly wouldn't be cost effective. I couldn't drive far enough or live long enough to recoup the cost of conversion, let alone save money.
    It would be impractical, with every modification to the original being an additional potential point of failure.
    Finally, it would be inconvenient to say the least, trying to track down CNG filling points in addition to conventional gas stations.

    Now, in a world with CNG as readily available as gas or diesel is now, and in a vehicle designed from the ground up to use it as fuel, I think we'd find ourselves in much more agreement.
    However, this argument for CNG has been made at since the 1970's to my knowledge, and probably before then too, but the adoption rate and availability of the product is little changed now to what it was then, and I really don't see it changing much in the near future either. :(
  • has any one had problums with throttle response on there h2 ho to correct this problum
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