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Isuzu Rodeo

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  • tidestertidester Posts: 10,109
    How can Edmunds rate the Assender with a 5 year depreciation rate of ~69%?

    Actually, it's spelled "Ascender."

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  • The Ascender hadn't sold many units as of 5-7-2003, the day the depreciation list was posted. I guess my question for everyone here is: How could they predict the depreciation of a new '03 model that had sold so few units?

    Sorry about the grouchy ranting. I'm just not convinced that Isuzus are disasters on four wheels. Seems like Isuzu has a small but very loyal following.

    I'm really not looking for an answer from Edmunds, I was hoping some of you Rodeo/RS/Axiom/Trooper/Ascender guys could explain it to me... Are Isuzus really that bad???
  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    Love my Isuzus

    -mike
  • sbcookesbcooke Posts: 2,297
    With a shrinking dealer network (not even touching my own quality in service perception) and the possibility of them going out of business in the next few years, it isn't hard to believe they are coming up tops on the list. Who wants a used car with no dealer network to service it.

    Isuzu's are also know for being "trucks" not hybrids, which further shrinks its customer base.

    The MSRP on Isuzu's is high compared to actual selling price with discounts (one thing in my opinion that has hurt Isuzu from improving sales numbers), so the ratio of MSRP to purchase price to resale probably makes those numbers even higher. My 1999 Trooper's MSRP was $31500 and I got it for $24000++, so if I could sell it for $10000 (good luck) today that is about 40% of purchase and about 30% of MSRP.

    I wish their MSRP pricing was more accurate. I think in the long run it would have really helped them keep a market share.
  • The MSRP to real price is very confusing. As far as service goes, the dealer here is Century Buick-Volvo-BMW-Isuzu. Customer service is not a problem. If it was Century Isuzu-Kia-Hyundai I might be worried.
  • Thanks Joel...I am in the process of checking the plug chambers. There is no water apparent in the oil. I wonder if maybe the fuel injector connectors may have gotten wet. The motor was washed down before inspection at the self serv bay. Then the problems started.

    T...
  • jtk152jtk152 Posts: 139
    Tony, I guess it's possible the electrical connectors for the fuel injectors could have gotten wet. I wash the engine bays all the time on my vehicles (done it for years), including my 2002 rodeo & never have a problem. Of course use good judgement!! don't wash a HOT engine & dont spray the heck out of electcial stuff. Carefully pull the plugs on the injectors & coils, make sure their clean & dry + lube'em up with a dielectric silicone grease. You GOTTA be getting closer to a cure!
    G/luck
    Joel
  • raydahsraydahs Posts: 449
    They can't be all that bad, Honda put their reputation on the line re-badging the Rodeo and the Trooper, and they survived it.

    You can't take "ANY" publication as the Gospel, it's simply an opinion from a group of humans. Everyone has certain likes and dislikes which makes us unique. First, I consider the source, then use the data provided, consider how it effects my needs and make an educated decision based on data from multiple sources.

    Bad "Residual Value" can be a blessing. In the last 9 years, I've owned 4 new cars, the Trooper is 4-1/2 years old now. If it would have held it's value better, I know myself well enough to know, it would have been gone some time ago. Now I have to keep it for 10 years to get my $$$$$ out of it, plus I just "LIKE" it. Could I finally be growing up? So their is a positive to every negative:)
  • buck380buck380 Posts: 10
    Hey People, name's Buck. Hope I'm not stepping on anyone here. If I am, then the full name's buck380. Anyway, did the Welcome crap and spelled out why I'm posting, which is regarding replacement tires for my '98 Rodeo S 4x4, but don't know where it will show up with that 30 minute delay. Did some research on the web and found a coupla tires that look promising, but would like to get some feedback from anyone who has actually tried them. The tires are: Bridgestone Dueler A/T Revo's, Goodyear Fortera HL, Michelin Cross Country SUV, and Yokohama Geolander A/T Plus 2. [non-permissible content removed]--tie game, top 'o da ninth. Being from Chicago (read--we're not in this sucker), hope it goes for 7. Anyway, the Geolanders that came OEM are cracking pretty bad on the sidewall, and they squeal like a pig in parking lots. I want something that will handle wet and snow, feel nice and comfy hauling a light to medium boat, and can handle some northern Wis snow and logging trails. Plus, if that ain't enough, since I do spend most of my time on the road, handle decent and not be too darn noisy. So that's where I'm at--any comments or suggestions? Bye the bye, went and read the long term test for the LS. I have not had as negative an experience, tho I have had the gas pedal, battery harness, ABS recall fixes, and still need to get the slippery ABS problem fixed. Front seats, yeah they're not necessarily the best, but I get by. Overall, a good vehicle for the money spent. No, it's not an Accura or a BMW, but it's never let me down so far. Buck.
  • Boris2Boris2 Posts: 177
    Buck,
    I'm in the same boat with tires are you are... I looked at Revo as well but they seem to be VERY expensive (more than Michelin). Michelin are supposed to be the best (according to the reviews I was able to find and Discount Tire recommendations). They, however, are said to be relatively noisy. Mike (paisan) recommended Pirelli Scorpions and that's what I'll probably go with. Revos look more capable but they are new and cost over $150. Scorpions will run about $90 per tire. The only thing is that I'll have to go with 255 size instead of OEM 245. The origial size, apparently, is not that common so the tires will run over $120. 255/70-16 go for about $90.
  • a set of Firestone Indy 500's for my Amigo. The wet handling is much better than the stock Wrangler AP's and they were buy three (@ $89 each) get one free, so they were about $67 each. They are a truck tire, although "Indy 500" sounds like a racing tire.
  • buck380buck380 Posts: 10
    Boris, mine came with the smaller 235/75-15's. In my size, the Revo's are $114 each, the Michelin Cross Terrains 139. I have a friend who has the Cross Terrains on his Acura, and he highly recommends them. However, I'm kind of drawn to the aggressive tread on the Revos. Plus, the Revos rate the highest for all-terrain at tirerack.com. Still, I have yet to look at a Fortera, which should run around $105, so we'll see. Here's a link to check out: http://www.tirerack.com/tires/surveyresults/orat.jsp
    Amigo_john--doesn't look as though any such animal is available in my size.
    --Buck
  • a set of Firestone Indy 500's for my Amigo. The wet handling is much better than the stock Wrangler AP's and they were buy three (@ $89 each) get one free, so they were about $67 each. They are a truck tire, although "Indy 500" sounds like a racing tire.
  • r0de099r0de099 Posts: 35
    I bought a 99 rodeo ls 7 months ago with 54,000 miles on it.How long before the car will need a tune up? and what the tune up can do for a car?Im not good in cars dont know anything about maintenance.
  • Hi all, For the last couple of months I have been noticing that my 99 Rodeo's engine rpm is greater than before - at the same speeds. So, for e.g. it will go to 2800 at 75mph. I drove my friend's Rodeo and noted that it was 2500 at 75mph. I also notice clunking and a jolt when I put it into drive initially. Up-shifting also seems delayed. So I had the transmission fluid flushed and changed, and had it checked by the dealership (cost me $320) - to no avail. The problems still exist. They told me that it was showing a P0705 trouble code and that I should change the mode switch "and then go from there". This would cost me another $300 - but with no guarantees to fix the problem. So I decided to do some research before spending the extra $300. Can anybody think of why the transmission range/mode switch would be causing the transmission from slipping and clunking sounds when shifting to drive? I find that connection unconvincing.

    regards
  • I bought 4 255/70-16 Revo's for my '00 Troop a few months ago from one of many Fstone dealers - less than $500 total - mounted & balanced with tax plus free balance / rotation & road hazard. Shop around & negotiate your best deal.
  • jtk152jtk152 Posts: 139
    boltzman- A faulty gear range switch /sensor will give you these symptoms & OBDII code. The range sensor is located on the left side of the tranny. It's connected to the shift arm that sticks out the side. P/N 8-96017-511-0. Your tranny will act up when these go bad because this sensor not only lights up the appropriate "PRND321" dash light, it also tells the PCM what gear has been selected. If the powertrain computer is not getting a clean signal from the range sensor, it will put the tranny in "failsafe" mode which yeilds hard & erratic shifts. It's only a few small bolts, a nut on the shift arm & an electrical plug to undo to get the range sensor out. I've heard that just taking it apart & cleaning the contacts can fix it. It's about a $150 dealer part. This range/mode sensor seems to be the most problematic part of the 4L30E tranny. At least it's on the outside of the case!! G/luck
    Joel
  • buck380buck380 Posts: 10
    Hey Bill troop2shos--
    So what do you think of those Revos? Good stuff?
    Buck
  • So far, only 5,000 miles have been put on them but I've been impressed. Turn-in is very good & they are responsive to steering inputs; rain & dry pavement performance is excellent & they're smooth & quiet - especially with their agressive tread pattern. Max cold inflation pressure is 44 psi which I run them at 35 / 38, F/R. The tire compound seems to be very good & not hard yielding outstanding grip on the surfaces they've been run on so far. My AWA drives it most of the time since I have the SHO but I've been able to get it off the pavement when I go on fishing trips. I can report that the tires grip very well w/ no slippage pulling an incline in loose wet rock & no issues in the mud I've been in (nothing deep or real heavy) - except my wife noticed what didn't come off through the heavy rain on the drive back home - complained of Trooper abuse. No snow yet...but soon... :)
    I'm very critical when it comes to tires cause they're the only thing between you & the surface.
    I believe a few on the Trooper board run Revo's - you might ask for their opinions or do a search.
  • buck380buck380 Posts: 10
    Bill t2s, thanks for the reply. I wanted a real person review, and that's where you helped me out. From what I can tell from all my searching, the Revos are tops. I think I'll go with them. As you said, the only thing twixt you and/or the loved ones and the road is the tires; I want the best. Was hoping a Rodeo owner had them and could tell me how they translated to that particular vehicle as to handling and so forth, but no such luck so far. Guess I'll be the guinea pig and report my results in a future update. Intended usage: mostly city driving (Chicago), some hi-way, some extended trips (New Orleans, or wherever the fancy may strike), couple 1000-milers to da UP and back per year, occasional boat hauling; but mostly around town in typical midwestern weather, which is quite variable. One important thang was how they felt towing, and since you said you occasionally took them fishing and felt good on an incline, without complaining about the tow itself, I take that as a good sign the Revos felt comfortable during the tow. Thanks again...Buck
  • I don't want to mislead in that I don't have a boat - stream fish for smallmouth & trout instead. I do pull a large pop-up but I haven't had it out in awhile. However, I pulled a loaded U-haul without a problem but this isn't the info you are looking for as far as boat ramp performance. I wouldn't expect a problem though. There is no comparison between the Revo's & the stock 684 Duelers I changed out at 36k & I'm glad I made the Revo purchase when I did.
  • raydahsraydahs Posts: 449
    Do a search on the Revo's, then you'll see the area of personal reviews. http://www.tirerack.com/
  • buck380buck380 Posts: 10
    Bill t2s--I'm less worried about boat ramp performance as to how the tires/vehicle feels during the actual tow. Don't like squirminess, if you know what I mean. If you pulled a loaded U-Haul with no problems, that pretty much fits into my parameters as my boat is not that heavy, maybe around 2000 lbs, 2500 tops. thanks for the input.
    Big Al D--I'm hip to tirerack, that's where I first got turned on to the Revos. Still, I wanted some input from Isuzu drivers. Just doing a little cross referencing. So what you driving on?
    On a general note, and you had better be quick as I am hot to trot to get me some new tires, if any of you out there in never-never land have a spare set of 16" Rodeo wheels to sell (to fit a '98), let me know ASAP. Gotta be in straight-up condition, reasonably priced.
    Buck
  • raydahsraydahs Posts: 449
    Dueler AT693's, they didn't make the Revo's at the time I purchased them. However, I will definitely go for the Revo's next time. I've got 30K on them now and I'm probably only at 50% treadwear, but I also rotate them every 5k. I've used them in the snow in Oregon, and alot of So.Cal desert sand and rock, they're very good tires IMO....Go for it!
  • Boris2Boris2 Posts: 177
    I stoped by at Discount Tires today (and make couple of stops at other local dealers) and was told at every one of them that 255/70-16 are too wide for me. In other words I am stuck with 245 width unless I want to switch to 15" wheels... Don't think so!
    Anyways... This rulles out Scorpions as they are way overpriced in this size. The best price on Revo's that I was able to get is $124.99 (Costco and Peerless Tyre). Discount Tire charges around $150 but they are willing to match. He told me, though, that Revo's are on National backorder. Some of the local Bridgestone dealers still have them in stock but I am worring about replacement if I ever need it. He also offered Michelin LTX M/S and assured me that they are far better quality tires and are no match to Revo's. He also said that they perform great in the snow and mud. Well, while I tend to agree that Michelin's quality is probably superior than Bridgestone, I have my doubts about their snow performance. I've read some reviews at TireRack (and will read some more tomorrow) and everybody claims that they are built to last but suck in snow conditions. THey look like they are straight highway tires. Michelin Cross Terrain, on the other hand, will probably offer better grip but might be reaaalllyyy bumpy. Plus they cost more (unless I can dig out some sale or something).
    Well, I think this post is confusing enough... I guess what I wanted to find out if anybody tried LTX's and have any personal winter experience?
    The thing is that honestly, 80-90% of my driving is highway and city. However, I don't want to have any major problems in the snow and I'm willing to sacrifise some softness of the ride to peace of mind.
  • sbcookesbcooke Posts: 2,297
    Don't listen to them on the rim size. I have 265/70s on my stock trooper rims 16x8 I believe.

    The cross terrains are more of a highway tire. Very smooth and quiet. I have them on my MDX. Very good handling and in the snow. I am sure the LTXs are a great tire. I have the regular Dueler A/T's on my trooper, and they were rated lower in snow performance than others. I have not had any issue and they have done great in all conditions.

    80-90% highway with snow performance? The Cross terrains are probably your best bet.

    The A/T 693s are good in all conditions, however they have been problematic. The A/T tread is rougher than regular H/T...they were hard to get balanced right...I even took them to a shop with a hunter 9000 and they said they couldn't use it on them because the A/T tread was too big.

    Once I got them right however they have been good (but that was a painful process). Very good offroad, excellent wet in wet conditions, pretty quiet on the highway and they look cool.

    http://community.webshots.com/album/62015461tiuuyV
  • buck380buck380 Posts: 10
    According to the charts, those 225's won't fit, assuming you have 8" wheels; 7 1/2 max for proper fit. 235's would be okay, but yeah, they're more. However, you could get some Bridgestone Duelers (non-Revo) for $75 or $87, Revos for $101, Pirellis for $90 or $104. All prices Tirerack, so more at your retailer, but that would include mounting. But don't forget the balancing, valves, disposal fees, etc. That stuff sure adds up. I just ordered a set of Revos in 235/75-15 thru Sears today as they had a 10% discount storewide going, so it was $427 for the tires. Still, after all is said and done, it's still $535 for the whole shebang, at least here in Chicago, what with disposal fees, environmental fees, high taxes and all. They said 3-5 business days for delivery. Local Firestone/Bridgestone had some in stock, but they were about $35 more, and the tires were already a year old (you can be sure I'll be checking the date on the tires from Sears). I wouldn't worry too much about availability in the future, as I'm sure Bridgestone is smart enough to concentrate on manufacturing Revos if they are getting that popular. My second pick was the Michelin Cross Terrain SUV, 3rd was a toss-up between Goodyear Fortera HL and Yokohama Geolander A/T Plus2. But the Revos won. I will be letting y'all know my impressions of them once I get a few miles, and pretty soon some winter driving, under my belt. Buck
  • Question: I am thinking of buying a 1996 Isuzu Rodeo with 65k miles on it. It is owned by a friend of mine and it is well maintained. Trouble is it is a 4 cyl auto trans and I'm a little concerned about how reliable this will be. Can anyone give me any tips about possible shortcomings of this vehicle? Potential maint issues? Other than a broken pass door mirror and tires that need to be replaced the vehicle is in pretty good condition.
  • df2000df2000 Posts: 60
    I have Michelin X Radial LT (it is BJ's wholesale club version of Michelin LTX) for 3 years or 40K mi on my 97 Rodeo and it is much-much better tire than Good year OEM.They was easy to balance and they still keep good balance and no vibration after 3 years. I still have about 6/32 of treat. They are pretty good in snow but they are no snow tire. I know I would be stack in snow couple times if no 4 wheel drive. They very low noise on highway and I think better for snow/light off road than Cross Terrain becouse they have more open treat design.They cost about $110 installed in 245/70R16 in BJ's but you have special order them. I would buy them again.
  • There are a bunch of old Amigos out there with the same 2.6 4 cyl engine that have made it to 150k with few problems. Does the pup also have the same engine??? You see a bunch of those out there with 200k on them...
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