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Nissan Pathfinder



  • rcigloorcigloo Posts: 5
    OK li_sailor,
    I think that I will only exercise the 4WD in the correct conditions. Thanks for the advice!
  • mjohnr99mjohnr99 Posts: 193
    Actually, once I knew they caved to the mass boycott and decided to do the appearance package (imagine having to now pay even more to avoid having an ugly plastic vehicle), I haven't looked back. I agree, it is much improved; still, I like the headlight package, squared stance, etc. of the 3rd Gen better - we will never see that look again . . . until the H2 causes the boxy backlash I predict. :) For me, I am still ecstatic by "making do" with the Pathfinder. :> It is every thing I honestly needed (I never intended to truly climb boulders like intmed99) for my camping, hiking, snowboarding, furniture hauling, dog carting, snowblower borrowing, and Moomba boat towing activities. [As an aside: the HUSKY liners rule in all such situations!]

    Even without the plastic, unless it was perfect, the opportunity costs of that 4th Gen were way too high, by about $5 grand. I love knowing I got the loaded vehicle I needed for basically $30K! Believe it or not, even in this crappy stock market, that $5K saved has already eeked out an 8% return since October. Don't forget all these "glass half full" things. I know you leased, but if you were putting the difference you saved each month into this cheap market, you would be ahead in the big 5-7 year picture IMHO.

    You know, there's a lot of hype about Nissan no-longer being the imitator of Toyota/Honda, and instead being perhaps a new trend-setting leader with many of its new cutting edge vehicles that they are developing, including the new '04 Pathfinder. I have been watching NSANY (i.e., Nissan Motor Corp.) and may pick up more shares if we get down to the right number - I think Nissan is poised to pick up market share going forward. I don't think it was a fluke we "defected" over here . . . among other things, Toyota has some real marketing problems with its vehicles. The debacle with its flagship vehicle, the 4Runner, may be a sign of things to come. At a minimum, the Nissan_SHIFT campaign is closer to the mark than those pathetic, babbling Alzheimer Everest commercials. [But the H2 campaign definitely sets the mark!] Toyota has a lock for now on the baby boomers who discovered its infamous "reliability," but I think Nissan is poised to make some real inroads with the generations after (Gen X, etc.).

    So, maybe take comfort in the fact that you may have bought into a rising star???? Just my gambit. We shall see.

    P.S. To date, I have still only seen ONE 4th Gen on the streets around DC (with the ugly cladding). Unbelievable.
  • Stever@EdmundsStever@Edmunds YooperlandPosts: 38,986
    Trend setting and cutting edge is one thing, but a lot of good will was lost in '99 among Nissan van drivers due to lousy safety engineering. The scores crept back up, but sales really didn't.

    Crash test scores have their own set of problems, and maybe van drivers pay more attention to the scores than SUV/sedan drivers in general, but -- any predictions on how the new line up (across the board) is going to do?

    Steve, Host
  • mjohnr99mjohnr99 Posts: 193
    I wish I had a crystal ball, but I don’t – so I stick to a Peter Lynch approach asking myself why after 2 years of research and wait I myself ended up with a Pathfinder, my first Nissan. I remember about all these guys going for that X-Terra so they could have a truck frame at certain price levels without the looks of something like that RAV4. No copy there. Then, it seemed like I had all these other guys going for that darn Maxima, while I was the loyal Honda dude. What was going on? I watch now as my late 30-something friends gobble up these new Infinity coupes, getting more bang for the buck (IMHO) then my bud bragging about his new BMW 3 series (but the latter has no wife and kids to feed). There’s the Z now back, supposed to be very cool, but I know little about it. Basically, I see Nissan coming out with all these new products, like in the big pickup class and the mini-SUV Murano. The new ’04 Pathfinder too. It seems like they are stepping out from their past. An ad campaign almost as cool as Mitsubishi's (maybe not?), but certainly makes Toyota’s stuff seem like the boring stand-by droll without the new intangible mystique needed for the next generation. 20+ year old friends of my brother say Toyota is what their parents drove! :> I like Toyota stuff a lot, but add this all up (just my personal feeling) and I have to think that Nissan ends up with more market share as a result. I have yet to crunch the charts, but hey, if NSANY hits 13 a share tomorrow, why not gamble 2-3 grand that the next 5 years sees their sales climbing and maybe make some money in the process? Here’s an article about Japanese buying I just pulled up:

    Curious as to your thoughts about the US, but this board may not be the right time or place. Sorry for the digression you all!
  • Stever@EdmundsStever@Edmunds YooperlandPosts: 38,986
    Toyota is what their parents drove! is about the worst thing I've ever seen anyone say about Toyota around here :-)

    I was really getting at your "cutting edge" comment and what percentage of that effort was focused on safety for the NA market. The other market is a mess ;-)

    Steve, Host
  • mjohnr99mjohnr99 Posts: 193
    . . . little 10-baggers are lurking somewhere in that "mess." I just have to find them, that's all . . . ;>
  • M99,

    I didn't mean to open a can of worms when I made my comments about the new appearance package available on the 4Runner.

    The intent was not to reconsider all the tought and decision making process we've been through(i.e. choosing, Nissan, savings, investment possibilities, etc). At that moment we have made the best decision with the information we had.

    All I wanted to say is that I was quite surprised at how fast they came out with an appearance package and that it would have addressed most (but not all) of my concerns with the new look.

    But I'm not sure I would have overcame some other oddities like the squarish look of the fenders (over the wheel), the headlights, ackward dash, busy rear-end, etc. And also I don't know if I would have liked buying into a first model-year. I'm sure they will fix lots of little quirks on the '04.

    I got to see at least 25 03 4Runners of all model types and color. I'm getting used a bit to the new shape. Its like new hair styles or new clothes, they look odd at first but we all get used to it after a while.

    A quick analysis showed me that a 03 SR5 Runner with appearance package would cost just about the same as a 03 Pathfinder LE. Obviously the Runner has less equipment: leather seats, power seats, 17 inches wheels..... but that's about it.

    So please do not take those 4Runner-Pathfinder discussion to seriously. I am not reconsidering my decision... but I'm bound to monitor the evolution of the 4Runner closely as I like the 4Runner familly of trucks and also compare it from time-to time with my Pathfinder.

    Take it like this: Toyota is preparing my next SUV.... and unless they screw up big time again, I'm bound to drive another 4Runner in this life ;-) (I guess other people that have owned or own a 4Runner can relate to what I mean here).

  • mjohnr99mjohnr99 Posts: 193
    Same sort of problems that you get with with E-mail; no oops necessary, I know what you're saying, but just wanted to take the ball and run for awhile. Totally my own digression given that I was looking at NSANY shares at the time . . . which dropped into the 13s earlier today. Hmmmmmmmm. . .
  • pathstarpathstar Posts: 201
    And just to take the discussion a bit farther, the Murano is not a "small" SUV. It's almost the same size as the Pathfinder (a little wider and almost the same length - and weight!). I'm just not sure I want to call it a SUV.

    I'm hoping for a small Nissan with the 3.5 VQ motor and 6 speed! Say around 3200 lbs weight. Now that would be a performer! Not to imply my Pathfinder is not a performer - I, like everyone else, always want more.
  • intmed99intmed99 Posts: 485
    The new 4Runner is a bit of slow seller according to most people. Unfortunate. I do wish that Toyota stuck to it's old design, instead of trying to do battle with Ford Explorer & the likes.

    As for the trend setting, remember that Toyota (& Lexus) have never been known to be "trend setter". Instead, they are quite dull by comparison to most other manufacturers. However, what sets Toyota apart are it's well-documented reliability and quality. Take a look at the Camry. I think it is a best-seller among all cars (i think). There are many faster and better handling cars in it's class. However, buyers KNOW Camry! My ex-girlfriend ONLY knew Camrys...she loved how quiet it is and how smooth it is. Interior is roomy with high-quality materials. Safety is great. She does not care that it is one of the slowest nor that it is very bland in styling.

    Take the 3rd gen 4Runner. It is cramped inside. It is slow (very slow when compared to '01 Pathfinder). It costs a lot! It is hard to get in and out due to it's height. YET, it was the best selling import-SUV. How many 4Runner owners know about off-roading?? VERY FEW! How many soccer moms realize it's off-roading potential?? None! The 4Runner had the looks. It has a tremendous resale value. It was built extremely well with excellent interior materials. It was simply made to last for years. Those things are what Toyota is known for! Those are the things that brought customers into the showrooms. Yeah, it never came close to the Ford Explorers, but it sure made Toyota a lot of money.

    The same goes for Lexus. Why is the ES300 or RX300 the best seller in it's class?? Both are relatively slow and styling is "questionable". For the same reasons above, they are best sellers.
  • jiaminjiamin Posts: 556
    I think my 00 RX300 FWD is quicker than my 02 QX4 4WD. Data also show so. BTW I could feel some vibration when I accelerate QX4 relatively hard, at some rpm, maybe around 3500 rpm. Not so at higher or lower rpm. RX never has any vibration no matter what condition.
  • smokey75smokey75 Posts: 434
    Hey, I'm trying to find out what tire pressure Nissan recommended on the 2002 & 2003 PF. This is found on the door sill sticker or on the glove box sticker. I have a 2001 PF with 255/65R16 & 26psi cold is the recommended.
  • mjohnr99mjohnr99 Posts: 193
    On 2003s, it's 30 PSI. Tire pressure sensors go off if pressure ever drops to 25 PSI.

    On Nissan/Toyota deal, I admit I didn't do very well (sorry), but intended to stay away from a direct inquiry of which is "better" and simply wonder aloud on that stuff that (sometimes) drives an increase in market share (even if they are less reliable somehow, or less safe for some reason, etc.). It's known as buzz, image, etc. - those intangibles that cause people to (sometimes) flock to movies and buy vehicles . . . and maybe cause a company's stock to increase as it steps out of the pack in our conscience, or perhaps our childrens. Yes, that 3rd Gen had the sweet looks; no one cared that they would never really off-road in it. Same for the 4th Gen, but the opposite, it just didn't have the looks perhaps (despite the Toyota solid reliability, which I of course appreciate as well); for some reason, never got that buzz; the whole Everest thing (unfortunately) never went anywhere. I too think I will end up with that 2010 Monochrome Black Runner; but you know, if this Pathfinder goes as it has so far for the next 7 years, I may just reward Nissan with one of its new version Pathfinders coming out. :/ It all just makes me wonder what 25 year old "kids" will be buying in their big buck 30's and 40's, that's all. Although I don't know which vehicle is "better" per se, I think all of this just leads me to the feeling that I should maybe be buying shares of Nissan at this point versus Toyota. Who the heck knows. Maybe I should check with a stock guru in NY first . . . NOT. :>
  • smokey75smokey75 Posts: 434
    Hey MJOHNR99, what size tires do you have... 16 or 17 inches?
  • mjohnr99mjohnr99 Posts: 193
    oops, didn't focus on your tire specs; looks like you have 16". I think anyone with a 2003 SE edition would also have 16". On the LE editions (which I have), they come standard with 17" and 30 PSI is recommended.
  • jmw4jmw4 Posts: 67
    I saw this post and had to ask the question. For an SUV, why is it the criteria of one SUV being "quicker" than another SUV very important? I can see if the subject was sports cars or performance sedans but SUV's? I think it more relative that an SUV have more hauling utility, transports more people, tows more weight, provides a more comfortable ride, or even is more reliable, would be more important to this category of vehicle. If one wants a race car, I would think a corvette or a mustang cobra would be more appropriate.
  • if one wants to race but sometime needs to haul and needs 4X4 abilities what does he do ?

    Buy a fast SUV....

    Unless he can afford both the mustang and SUV.

    (sorry for the questionnable late friday night humor.... (or attempt))
  • jiaminjiamin Posts: 556
    I didn't say a quicker SUV is important. I happened to see in post #6454 towards the end "...RX300...relatively slow..." then my own comparison between my two SUVs came into my mind, and that's all.
  • smokey75smokey75 Posts: 434
    Hey, anyone with a 2002 or 2003 with 16" tires... what PSI is recommended on the door sill placard?
  • For my 2002 (16" Wheels) it states 30psi.
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