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  • akv25akv25 Posts: 42
    Hi Guys!I have a 2002 Laredo 4WD V8. I have already had the front rotors replaced once.

    #1 I was wondering if someone could tell me if I could replace the standard 16x7 wheels (225/75R16) with 17x7.5 wheels(235/65R17s)? Will this void my warranty in any way and will it make any difference at all in the braking performance?

    #2 What do you guys think of snow tires? I read an article that said they increase traction by 30%. I live in an area where there is a lot of snow and bad conditions for the road.

    Thanks
    From Iron Mountain,MI
  • evaddaveevaddave Posts: 156
    I got a set of front tow hooks for my '02 JGC Limited for Christmas. The installation instructions look pretty straightforward, but installing the tow hooks includes removing the grill & bumper cover. Has anyone done this? If so, are there any tips/tricks you'd like to share?

    Thanks!
    Dave
  • Well, I went ahead and leased a new 2003 JGC Laredo, and am turning in my 2000 JGC Laredo early.
    I really wasn't sure I was going to do this until I managed to get this from the dealer:

    2003 JGC Laredo with Alarm, CD/Cassette and cargo cover.
    39 month lease, 39,000 miles.
    No money down, $260/month, plus they are giving me $900 cash to buy out my old lease.

    Do you all think that this is a good deal??
    Please let me know, thanks.
  • I too am looking at trading in my 2000JGC for a 2003, but buying. Since I have a five year loan and drive a bunch of miles (I drive it silly), my loan is only $700 less than my Blue Book.

    They are offering my $600 off invoice on a Limited HO/V8 (Invoice $35200) loaded with everything but pedals and auto wipers, along with paying my sales tax, all for $590 a month (60mnth loan). Seems like a pretty sweat deal. Is there alot of money back for dealers on 03 jeeps? It seems like a pretty good deal to me. Afraid I'll get really upside down on my loan.
  • marsha7marsha7 Posts: 3,670
    Laredo, they did not have an '03 Limited to drive...the vehicle was nice, I am assuming the Limited would be nicer, but I must try another dealer...when I mentioned this at my local garage, 2 mechanics told me to avoid JGC, as the transmission was junk, they see them all the time...they recommended Toyota or Nissan, saying they rarely need major repairs...when I mentioned this to my brother in Florida, he told me that a local competitor (not Jeep) drives his prospects past the local Jeep dealer, whose service center faces the street, and all you can see up on the lifts are new JGCs needing tranny or some other major repair...the vehicle is nice, but it sure has some reputation, even though my universe was small...should one gamble on this, or move on???
  • sebring95sebring95 Posts: 3,231
    There is no doubt the there have been tranny problems on the Grand Cherokees. The problem is determining exactly how bad they are. You have to keep one thing in mind, and that is the number or problems/complaints you see are directly related to some extent by the vast number of grand cherokees that are on the street. For 2002, it looks like they are going to sell about 220,000 units. The Toyota 4-runner is going to sell about 70,000 and the Pathfinder 55,000. Considering that there are three to four times as many sold just this year, obviously there can be three to four times as many problems as the Toyota and Nissan and they would be equally reliable. I don't know if that's the case but it's obviously a factor. There is quite possibly 1.5-2 million Grand Cherokees on the highway so it's reasonable to assume you're going to see some in the service bays and garages getting work done.

    The Explorer sells in even larger numbers and I see plenty of comments on how those are junk too. If either of these were worthless, you'd see them stacked up on the highways and the dealerships/garages would literally be overflowing.

    I've never personally met a grand cherokee owner that has replaced a tranny. Heard from quite a few here on the net, but of the ten or so folks I know personally, they've had very good luck with them. I only know of one person who had problems with an explorer. One of the ladys I know just recently traded her '97 Explorer that had 220K miles on it. The tranny was starting to slip, but otherwise she had no problems. And that was even after the vehicle was nearly totalled at an early mileage.
  • erickplerickpl Posts: 2,735
    While I have never had a tranmission replaced, I have had to have seals replaced. All it takes is some vigilance on your part as the owner. Be aware of puddles in the garage or driveway. If it leaks take care of it. I do this will ALL my cars, not just my Jeep, including my Honda. It is a lot of times the people who have small issues but never deal with them until they become huge ones.

    I figure if I am spending $X on a car, it is in MY best interest to make sure things run the way they are supposed to run. If I don't have an issue taken care of when it is just beginning, then I deserve the headaches I get. I can blame the maker for a bad seal, but I can't blame them for a bad transmission if I fail to get it addressed.

    -Paul
  • I've got a 2000 JGC Laredo 4X4 with the basic Selectrac...I'm wondering...even though the manual states it's OK to run in '4WD High' 100% of the time, is it really? I'm wondering if any of you have ever done this? Does it adversly affect MPG or the transfer cases? I'm only wondering cause my front hubs tend to stay locked when I switch from '4WD High' back to '2WD'. I think it's having to go through '4WD Part-time' along the way that's doing it. Thanks!
  • akv25akv25 Posts: 42
    billwfriend:

    Selec Trac has a tendency to do that. The manual states that you need to give the gas pedal 2 pushes for the gear to fully engage/disengage. I would do that going from Full Time to Part Time and then again from Part Time to 2WD. Even after doing this, it will take a little time to fully disengage. If you happen to be thinking of taking a turn immediately after shifting from Part Time to 2WD, make sure that you do not take any tight turns. This will do a lot of damage to the transfer cases/driveline. And I personally think that you should use Full Time ONLy when needed.
  • gkatz1gkatz1 Posts: 296
    My Dad is probably going to buy a new Laredo. With a $2500 rebate plus a $500 veteran incentive he is going to get a really good price when all is said and done.

    The question I have is, what is the power, cost and mileage differences between the I6 and V8? Also, how has reliability been the last couple years? Some past model years appear to have been a nightmare. Thanks.
  • I am just looking for a little advice from all you Jeep experts out there. I am currently leasing a 2000 Jeep Grand Cherokee and the lease ends Jan 28, 2003. The buy out price at the end of it is $18,700. My question, is this a pretty fair price for this vehicle or should I turn it in and shop around for something else. This is what I have:
    2000 Jeep Grand Cherokee Laredo 2WD (Silver), V8, power everything, cloth seats, 10-disc CD Changer, tow pkg and 33,000 miles.

    I have had a few problems with it but nothing major. The only real annoying issue is the pull to the right. If I let my hands off the steering wheel for one sec, I will be in the other lane or on the sidewalk. And no one, including the dealer can fix it. I appreciate any help.

    Thank you,
    JK
  • mjb1000mjb1000 Posts: 10
    Jeep has 3600 miles on it. I am experiencing vibration when the JGC is in "Drive" and I am stopped at a light. I can feel it thru the seat and steering wheel. Dealer says this is common for this Jeep. Dealer SAYS It has something to do with the fuel mixture the JGC is constantly adjusting. When I put the car in "neutral" the vibration is so very slight.
    Any ideas.

    Thanks for the help

    MB
  • I own a '99 Grand Cherokee. The only persistent problem is that it keeps eating brake rotors on a consistent basis. I just let the dealer talk me into a fix that involved a "spring caliper system" (whatever that means) and new pads and rotors. Total cost - about $600.00 (it was painful just typing that number). Has anyone else heard of this or had success with this?
  • Check the recent posts on this site. Jeep issued a Technical Service Bulletin covering the brakes. If I were you, I'd ask the service department if you are covered by it.
  • gkatz1gkatz1 Posts: 296
    Find the TSB yourself and bring it with you.
  • I called Chrysler and they told me that my extended warranty states that brake rotors are not covered under the service contract, so it looks like the $600 is coming out of my pocket. I just want to stop replacing rotors every 7,000 - 10,000 miles.
  • My wife used to drive a 95 GC, 5.2 V8,4WD loaded with leather and Up Country pkg. In 65,000 miles of ownership, it went back to the dealer one time for minor repair. First set of brakes came at 52,000 miles and gas mileage was consistant 14city, 18/19 highway. However, after moving to the country, she decided she wanted a car since work was 35miles one way. That was 4 years ago. Now, she wants to get back into an SUV, this time a 2wheel drive, to get better mileage. She really likes the Liberty, but the better deals seem to be on the GC, especially the 6cyl 2wd. She doesn't particularly want the leather this time since our two schnauzers seem to do a number on them, but likes the amenities found on the Liberty Limited much better than the GC Laredo. This seems to be a knowledgable group, so thought I would get your input...
    Thanks.
    officeroz.
  • wlbrown9wlbrown9 Posts: 837
    I would point out to them that the TSB seems to point to DEFECTIVE rotors/brake system. They should cover under that. If not, you can get a set of after market rotors at your favorite AZ, PB or other discount parts place for about $100. I did that on our 2000 JGC at about 16,000 miles and at 45,000 miles no more issues.

    FWIW, the TSB covers replacement of rotors, calipers and pads if I remember correctly.

    FRONT BRAKE PULSATION DURING LIGHT TO MODERATE BRAKE APPLICATION
    Date: 5/13/02

    Bulletin # 0500302 (supercedes 0500501 Dated Sep 14, 2001)

    Model Year(s): 1999-2002 (models built May 11, 2002 and prior)

    Description: Brake roughness or pedal pulsation when the brakes are applied. The customer may experience a vibration of the steering wheel, floor, seat, instrument panel, or a minor pedal pulsation (brake roughness) under light to moderate pedal application. The condition may be caused by excessive thickness variation of the brake rotor surface.

    Details: This bulletin involves the replacement of both front brake rotors and caliper assemblies.

    Parts required:
    52098672 Rotor
    05093174AA Caliper kit (2 calipers, pads and retaining bolts)
  • gkatz1gkatz1 Posts: 296
    Funny, Toyota had the same problems with early Sequoias. So what did they do? Every vehicle that exibits the problem gets upgraded rotors and calipers with no charge to the customer if still under warranty.
  • Engines- I had a V8 2000 JGC and now have a 2003 Limited V8 HO and I rented a I6 once for work- For the extra $800 bucks I would definately go with the V8. Much better power, probably better resale- and the mileage is not that different. I actually get over the spec'd numbers that Jeep reports for the V8. How you drive it probably will effect it more than which engine. IMHO

    Brakes- When my warranty ran out on my last Jeep and I had to replace the brakes I went with Ray Bestus rotors and pads- why keep putting on rotors you know will warp. I didn't keep the Jeep long enough after changing them to see if they lasted longer.

    Seals- What kills seals? How does it affect the transmission?
  • Have you been paying attention to this board lately? Look at the dates between messages and look at the GC year's involved. See any thing on 2001's or '02's? Very, very few. Nothing like on '99's and '00's. Either people are abandoning the board or Jeep's getting even better. Me thinks it's the later. The problems seem to of almost disappeared. Just turned 10000 on my V8 Limited Quadradrive and haven't even had a loose screw. Go Jeep!
  • tloke1tloke1 Posts: 185
    Gkatz1, you stated, per the Toyota Sequoias:
    "Every vehicle that exhibits the problem gets upgraded rotors and calipers with no charge to the customer if still under warranty".

    So what exactly did Toyota do that was out of the ordinary??? "IF" still under warranty you say they will fix the brakes... I would hope so.
  • dlcleavdlcleav Posts: 40
    I couldn't agree more. I have just turned 25,000 miles on my '02 Overland which has perfomed flawlessly during this time. I've done nothing to the Jeep except routine oil change and tire rotation. No squeaks, no rattles...just Jeepin!! This Jeep is AWESOME!!
  • gkatz1gkatz1 Posts: 296
    Brakes are not always covered under warranty as some posters here have found out. In the case of Toyota, they completely replace the rotor and capliper with a larger design to end the problem and not simply replace faulty parts with faulty parts.
  • leo948leo948 Posts: 38
    mopar is now making available the intake manifold and camshafts plus other parts to upgrade 'normal' 4.7L v8's. one website i found stated that it would be a straight swap and no new chips were needed. they claimed a 30hp boost over stock. their total for just the intake and cams was $300-400. doing some more research i found that the durango guys have been doing this already with the coporate 4.7L's with good results.

    just FYI
  • dlcleavdlcleav Posts: 40
    This is likely a dumb question but...Has anyone attempted to install dual exhaust on a JGC? I remember years ago that splitting the intake manifold and running dual exhaust would reduce back pressure and allow for better performance and gas mileage. I know the vehicles today are regulated by computer but was still wondering if there were any benefits from dual exhaust. Would a chip enhancement be necessary? Or, is this a bad idea? Thanks. Dave
  • Hi,

    I write a weekly auto feature for a major business daily and would like to hear the experiences of JGC drivers. If you own such a vehicle, please email me at LANETEF@YAHOO.COM. Deadline is Feb.5. Thank you
  • I just got my 2003 Lerado 4.0 Jan. 6, and now have 1000 miles on it. I also noticed the rough idol and vibration. My dealer in Brooklyn, NY said it would smooth out as it "broke in" but my understanding is that this engine is just inherintly rough. I have even noticed that at idol, the otherwise tight "screwed together" feel has led to some rattles and harmonic vibrations in various trim pieces. My other car is a 1997 BMW 318ti w 115,000 miles on it. After getting the Jeep, I was amazed how tight it rode. Now with 1,000 miles, there is definetly some loosening up (I know it's an SUV).
    Also, when warming up, there is a loud ticking noise that goes away after about 10 min. This seems to be due to an emmissions control device. I guess you have to live with this in the 4.0 I6.
    Happy motoring, DS
  • What would be the normal oil consumption for a '99 Grand Cherokee with 51,000 miles. The oil level always seemed to stay at the "full" level between oil changes. However, checked today...2,700 miles since last oil change...and I needed to add a quart. Is that normal?
  • sebring95sebring95 Posts: 3,231
    Is it possible it was short-changed on the last oil change? Usually stuff like this doesn't just pop up, not at this rate. Although 1 quart isn't that bad in many cases but for something to just start losing a quart, somethings fishy. If it's not laying under your truck, I'd start by adding a quart and checking closely for awhile. I've seen dealers/lube places screw-up worse things than this.
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