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Mercedes-Benz M-class (ML320, ML350, ML500 and ML55) 2005 and earlier

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  • zorglubzorglub Posts: 79
    My wife and I are looking at potential SUVs. We think we are going to make the purchase in the next 6 months (depending on the economy...). Anyway, the ML is definitely on the top list. My questions have to do with the 3rd row seat. First of all, how big is it? I want it for my 2 year old, and potentially for the next one, when the grand parents ride with us. Also, is it true that the 2nd row seat has to move forward when you install the 3rd one? Lastly, can you retrofit a ML with a 3rd seat after buying it?

    Thanks for your answers.
  • drew_drew_ Posts: 3,382
    Unfortunately, it appears that Photopoint (when using easy upload) swallowed up all of the pages that you sent to me except for the first page. If you're still willing, and at your convenience, perhaps you could resend them to me?

    Interesting that your dealership is using Mobil 1 0W40. As you know, both Mobil 1 0W40 and 15W50 are the only two MB approved Mobil 1 synthetics. All of the MB dealerships in my area only carry Mobil 1 15W50 (at exhortibant prices, I might add). I doubt that Mobil will be offering 0W40 in their stores anytime soon since it is quite specialised. They only started offering 15W50 just recently afterall! Mobil 1 does specifically state that 15W50 is only to be used for certain high performance engines. I guess ours qualify! ;-)

    Hope you can make the MB chat tonight at 6-7pm Pacific!

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  • bob259bob259 Posts: 280
    Drew, I'll find the article rescan and send it you, I may still have it on my PC at the house. On the oils I would assume the 0w40 here because of some of our extremely cold nights. The interesting point was they said I could continue to use the 5w30 or 10w30 for my mid change as it was still in the MB manual.
  • pjconnerpjconner Posts: 3
    My '98 ML320 was in the shop (again) to have the rear seatbelt replaced. While it was there they replaced the Drive Shaft. What is that? Is it a big deal to replace? Apparently it was making noise.

    Thanks,

    Patrick
  • dleungnycdleungnyc Posts: 41
    The driveshaft is a long piece of metal that delivers power from the engine to the rear drive wheels. Did they tell you why they are replacing it? If they say it's making noise, could be the joint is defective.
  • drew_drew_ Posts: 3,382
    As dleung wrote, did they tell you why they were replacing the driveshaft? Since you have a '98 ML320, I wonder if it's a preventative measure since the '98s did have some vibration (caused by the 50/50 split) when making tight, full-lock turns.
  • drew_drew_ Posts: 3,382
    As others have mentioned, child proof locks are available for retrofitting if you wish. When the rear doors are locked, pulling on the door handles will not open the doors. One will have to physically pull up the lock pin (which requires a fair bit of force) to unlock the door, and then pull the door handle to open the door.
  • drew_drew_ Posts: 3,382
    The last year for the diesel powered E-class was MY1999. MB no longer brings them to the US or Canada since our high sulphur fuel ruins the high tech emission control devices. MB's official response is that until legislation is brought into effect to drastically reduce the sulphur levels, there will be no new diesel powered MB vehicles for North America. Too bad really...
  • drew_drew_ Posts: 3,382
    There are (will be) no diesel BMWs, AFAIK, because of the same reasons that there are no new diesel MB vehicles.

    As for more efficient engines, MB will apparently be switching to an all new line of direct injection gasoline engines for 2005.

    Even if you could bring over one of the new diesel powered MB vehicles, the sulphur in the fuel will damage the emissions control components over time. Since MB doesn't officially bring in any of these parts, repairs could be a problem.
  • drew_drew_ Posts: 3,382
    You can see the first page of the Porsche Litronics article that Bob sent to me here:
    http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=137587&a=12026577&f=0
  • drew_drew_ Posts: 3,382
    Thanks...perhaps it is still in your e-mail programes's "sent" folder?

    Yes, that's what I thought too. MB dealers in colder parts of the country would use Mobil 1 0W40, whereas the rest would use 15W50. Of course, there are other non-Mobil brands of synthetics that MB approves as well. Strangely though, MB Canada has not adopted MBUSA's policy. We don't get free oil changes here, and my guess is that they fear a huge customer uproar if they start using the (pricey because of their high markup) synthetic stuff exclusively. The standard mineral oil that the dealers in my area use for oil changes is 5W40.
  • dt77dt77 Posts: 232
    hi, it would be real nice if I could get a hold of that whole litronic article ? so if anyone one of you could email it to me..that would be great!

    dt77
    deeteeseventyseven@hotmail.com
  • drew_drew_ Posts: 3,382
    I'll post it in Photopoint and let you know once I get it :-) Unfortunately, I thought Photopoint had it so, I stoopidly removed it off my server. Grrr....I'm sticking to e-mailing pictures to Photopoint instead of using the "easy upload" feature now. This is not the first time that it has happened.


    Drew
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  • maabmaab Posts: 41
    I just heard on the radio that Euormotorcar (MD dealer) will be phasing in two hundred E320s and ML320s as loaners within next six months. Yoo hoo!

    Another dealer in VA (HBL) is using Enterprise to give out loaners. The last time I went in for service, they gave me a Sunfire (that's one way of making sure you don't put too many miles on loaners).

    Since HBL is closer to my house, I'll ask them if they can match MD dealer (for Es and Ms loaners) next time I need to go in for service.
  • gpvsgpvs Posts: 214
    HBL/Enterprise once gave me a stinky loaner, can't remember whether it was neon, but the stench left with you. At that time, they told me that's the only one left.

    Maab, do you know if ASC is using Enterprise, too? Although, like you, HBL is so much closer to my house.
  • maabmaab Posts: 41
    Actually, I've never dealt with them before (oops, I take it back). My dad bought an E from them a couple of years ago, but somehow that dealer never showed up on my Radar (if you know what I mean).

    Upside to HBL is that their facility had a recent facelift so all the facilities (waiting room, showroom floor,etc.) are new.

    Euromotorcar is still doing the expansion (read construction), so you don't get a good impression when you go to the dealer. But then again you can't judge a book by it's cover.
  • dt77dt77 Posts: 232
    I was at a American Honda Motor in Torrance CA last nite. They did something with SAE and presented th MDX. Quite interesting SUV ... without full time 4wd. In case yer stuck, you can even press this button on the dash that would send all power to the rear wheels hehe..i thought that was funny. They don't really have a very active stability control like the ML has and the rear wheel are actually coupled and they cannot spin or accelerate independantly.

    Great mileage, cuz when in cruise, little or no power is sent to the rear wheels. They even showed a vehicle test video out in the desert with a 98/99 ML320. all in humor, the ML was portrayed to suck. And of course at the end, the MDX was towing the ML out of a ditch hehe..

    according to a another presentation, the MDX was bigger (interior) than the ML and the X5. also had the highest torque curve among it's competition .hmm..X5 would be the 3.0.

    dt77
  • ddavis001ddavis001 Posts: 14
    How is the reliability of you folks M-Class vehicles? Also, how do you think resale fares for this vehicle?
  • kenyeekenyee Posts: 738
    dt77:
    They seem to have done pretty well in snow this year. And no rollover pics yet :-)
  • kenyeekenyee Posts: 738
    If any of you folks have switched tires on your MLs, would you mind stopping by http://www.keysolutions.com/M-Class and filling out a tire review? It will help your fellow ML owners. Places w/ reviews like TireRack don't let you get reviews of tires on your kind of car. Hopefully, this will fill this information void.
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