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Mercedes-Benz M-class (ML320, ML350, ML500 and ML55) 2005 and earlier

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  • Generally the issue with oil changes does not show advantages or usually disadvantages within 50K miles. The benefits of more frequent oil changes will just begin to show at 50K or more. Look at regular oil changes as being akin to dental care. By taking good care of your teeth, they will be around for 70+ years. If you don't take care of them they'll last 20-50 years. If you change your oil frequently (3,000-5,000 miles) your engine will probably last 200,000-250,000 miles. If you use the FSS it will probably last 60,000 to 100,000 miles. If you're gonna sell the car in a few years, it doesn't matter. Of course the next buyer will doubtless be happier to find out you've changed the oil & filter frequently. If you take it to a dealer to trade, they will not care at all....

    Regards

    ...Tracy
  • steverstever Viva Las CrucesPosts: 40,781
    Drew and Edmunds parted ways last week :-(. We're going to miss him.

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  • 52cars52cars Posts: 30
    Is he pissed by edmunds or readers like us?

    wish him the best.
  • steverstever Viva Las CrucesPosts: 40,781
    Ah, personnel issues are a bit tricky, you know? Privacy concerns, etc. Suffice it to say that Drew loved you guys :-)

    Further inquiries should be addressed to the management. Let me know if you need an email address.

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  • bob259bob259 Posts: 280
    Typical of big business today get rid of, or hound them till they leave, the people with the knowledge....... Sorry guys, but this place won't be the same.
  • johnnnycjohnnnyc Posts: 166
    I think we would all like to know why Edmunds staff didn't work it's hardest to keep Drew on board.
  • steverstever Viva Las CrucesPosts: 40,781
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  • "If you use the FSS it will probably last 60,000 to 100,000 miles"

    Tracy if you never changed the oil the motor would last for more than 60,000 miles. I believe nobody wants to let go of changing motor oil because thats something that we all could do and do it well. Most people pride themselves in changing their own oil and putting nothing but the best oil they can buy. Nobody seems to be concerned about the transmission fluid, MB use to require it to be changed every 30K miles, now it never needs to be changed, or spark plugs they are now good for 100K miles. Its kinda strange if you go to a service place people want to watch the mechanic change the oil to make sure he doesn't mess-up, but if he is working on another part of the car they could care less...
  • maraylandml320

    I doubt any modern gas engine would last 60K miles without an oil change. By "last" I mean to operate without substantial oil loss and other performance degradation due to a) lack of lubrication and b) accelerated wear of internal components due to lack of lubrication. And c) I predict that the engine would make a lot of phnark phnark phnark rrrrrr noises. Any volunteers???

    As to the other maintenance issues, you are correct in your observations. Few seem to care. I'm actually okay with that, as it helps the economy ;)

    Personally, I have a long established set of guidelines for fluid and other component changes. However, we were not discussing other fluids. Just engine oil. On my vehicles, all fluids but oil and transmission fluid are flushed and changed annually. Tranny fluid is done at 30K mile intervals, and oil is at 4k mile intervals. Batteries are changed at the end of their warranty. Brake pads are replaced well before metal to metal. Tires a bit before the wear bars are showing, or before the onset of winter, which ever comes first. And so on. I like to keep my vehicles a long time -- I recently sold one that I had for 12 years. Sold it because I haven't used it much in recent years. I got well above market value for it due to the combination of low miles and a well documented and above average maintenance history.

    WRT the spark plugs, remember that the ML has 2 plugs in each cylinder. These fire alternately. The jury is still out on how long they will last. I'll be surprised if it goes 100K miles.

    Oh, and on a related topic, even though MB recommends against engine additives, I've found that putting some Red Line Complete Fuel System Cleaner about every 15K miles does a great job of blowing out carbon build up. If you've never used this, you are in for a surprise. . .

    Thanks for the comments and an opportunity to goof around for a few minutes!

    Regards

    ...Tracy
  • mcarmcar Posts: 1
    Our 2001 ML430 purchased 3 mos. ago went in for service last week for rattles and a dash squeak near the front left vent. The service center had a hard time tracking down the source. Then the call came... they found the source to be broken A-pillar frame welds. The car has been in the shop for repair for over two weeks now. Required stripping the dash, breaking and pulling the windshield, welding the pillar, etc. The dealer informs us that MB has a technical service bulletin on this problem. Has anyone else experienced this? Does anyone know where we can get the service bulletin? Very disappointed that a $50k vehicle would have such a problem with less than 2,500 miles.
  • poxpox Posts: 11
    AJ

    Could you please give me some information on which dealer in the SF Bay area was willing to deal with you. I too live in the SF Bay area and I may be in the market for a new ML sometime soon. If you are reluctant to post the information on the board, please let me know and I will give you my home E-Mail address.

    Thanks.

    I too will miss Drew. He has been answering my questions for the past 2.5-3 years, first as a participant and then as a Host. I wonder if he will rejoin the discussion as an ordinary participant.

    Pox
  • mtsangmtsang Posts: 70
    While I don't know the circumstances that Drew had left in, nevertheless, Edmunds.com had surely missed the boat for not being able to keep Drew on the staff.

    Drew, much appreciate your insightful responses and words of wisdom. You'll be sorely missed :(
  • neil99neil99 Posts: 11
    How often should we rotate the tires? Every 3,000 miles or so?
  • thor8thor8 Posts: 303
    I hate to see him go. I have been a regular here for a long time, I remember when he was a regular member, always venturing good information, then he went on to be an assistant and finally a full host, always polite and sober.
  • rs64rs64 Posts: 64
    We will miss you and look forward to reading your posts elsewhere. Thanks so much for all of your past assistance.

    Randy
  • steverstever Viva Las CrucesPosts: 40,781
    Perhaps you misunderstood. The "privacy issue" I mentioned is, among other things, meant to protect the host/member, since they aren't around to provide their side of things.

    This isn't an appropriate place to discuss the hows and whys of hosts or members leaving Town Hall. Again, please email Jonah Brown with your comments and concerns.

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  • svinaiksvinaik Posts: 84
    If you ever start the "Drew : M Class Web site.com ", let us know.

    Miss you....
  • mark156mark156 Posts: 1,992
    I'll miss Drew too. I've been here a longtime and was looking forward to discussing my new ML with Drew when it comes in mid Dec. Mark
  • Can anyone describe the differneces between X5 4.4 and ML500.
    I have not yet driven ML500 but plan too and want to know what to expect.
    When I drove x5 4.4, it was powerful, nice ride/handling and roomy inside for passengers.
    Also, anyone know if dealers are moving on MSRP?
    I like the new 2002 ML looks, and starting$5k less than the BMW (no discount on '02)
    any dealer discounts would really start to widen the gap.
    Thanks,
    Guy
  • AJ -I would appreciate if you would e-mail me the name of the dealer and salesperson who offered you $500/$1500 over invoice. My e-mail address is bookoo89@hotmail.com. Thanks alot
  • Can anyone describe the differneces between X5 4.4 and ML500.
    I have not yet driven ML500 but plan too and want to know what to expect.
    When I drove x5 4.4, it was powerful, nice ride/handling and roomy inside for passengers.
    Also, anyone know if dealers are moving on MSRP?
    I like the new 2002 ML looks, and starting$5k less than the BMW (no discount on '02)
    any dealer discounts would really start to widen the gap.
    Thanks,
    Guy
  • mymlmyml Posts: 12
    neednewcarnow,
    You've got mail !

    pox,
    What's your email address ?
  • Tracy, I think we are basically saying the same thing but from different view points and sounds like you really maintain your vehicles well. About 12 years ago when leasing a vehicle was still a new concept and there were no penalties for wear and tear or lack of maintenance. A friend leased a MB 190E for about 8 years, during that time he put around 110,000 miles on it and changed the oil twice at 50K and 90K miles. He did have to add oil periodically, but other than that the motor ran fine. Now I doubt that it lasted another 100K, but just an example of the abuse these motors can take....
  • poxpox Posts: 11
    AJ

    My E-Mail address is spennathur1@home.com. Thanks for the information.

    Pox
  • I never met anyone who did not like Drew. He was always professional even when he disagreed with your point of view. Always backed up what he had to say with facts.

    Drew was the first person on the internet whom I felt I could trust. Like everyone else I wish him all the best in his future endeavors.
  • I am ready to get the ML500. If possible, I will be interested to find out which dealer in the bay area is willing to do $500 above invoice.
    my email address is: gild150@yahoo.com

    Thanks.
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  • sminessmines Posts: 2
    Hi--I am new to this board. Just heard about you from a friend who said he will Drew's wit and candor. I didn't know Drew but wish he were back to help me out.....I should have gone on the board sooner...but it took me forever to get to you guys!
    I have a 2001 ML320 that my husband bought for me about a year ago 25th Anniversary. I wished he had ordered it with the Sports package as I love the look of the front lights and sportier rear bumper and meatier fender flares. However, he did not....and I still do love my truck. Was wondering if there is anything new about the 2002 besides the lights in the front bumper---that do not appear to be the same ones given with the sports package or ARE THEY??? What would I expect to pay for new 2002 with Ml-heated seats, bose radio without sports package and with sports package and what should I expect to get for my 2001 10,000 mile excellent condition ML????Alll help appreciated. Please also tell about differences in the two years of ML's comparisons, new additions, changes etc., Maybe, I should just keep my ML and not bother or add flares and running boards to mine. Would I be loosing too much money if I trade it in???? And, can those round front sharp looking fog? lights be added into the 2001 front bumper or not and who would do this???? Thanks for all your help. Much appreciated..... Smines!
  • sminessmines Posts: 2
    Anyone think that Mercedes will follow Toyota, the first foreigner to follow the american car companies in offering o% financing on all trucks and cars?
  • steverstever Viva Las CrucesPosts: 40,781
    Well, you members and guests don't see posts when the occasional member gets banned either. A certain popular car salesperson comes to mind offhand, who was invited to leave because of constant soliciting. Not an appropriate topic of discussion, yada yada yada.

    (edit mode) btw, I've seen a few of Drew's recent posts elsewhere since he left, and may I suggest that all of you MB enthusiasts try to handle his departure with the same grace that he's shown....

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