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Mercedes-Benz M-class (ML320, ML350, ML500 and ML55) 2005 and earlier



  • drew_drew_ Posts: 3,382
    Ten Phillips head screws for the grill, IIRC :-)
  • drew_drew_ Posts: 3,382
    The brochures haven't always been the most accurate source of information as far as minor details go. There have been a few small mistakes in the past. FWIW, I have not seen any pictures which have the wood trim around the '02's rear window switches.

    As for the wooden sliding cover for the new centre cupholder, it would've been a nice touch, but I was hardly surprised considering the price of the vehicle and the minor price increment for '02. MBzs that did have these covers were almost double the price, if not more (i.e. S-class).

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  • kenyeekenyee Posts: 738
    The 2000 model did have some changes because the front catchall mats did not fit very well since they were done for the 1998/1999 models, but the IIHS never retested, so I doubt they'll both retesting the 2002.
    William, you should see the X5 pic Drew has where it rolled. Roof caved in on one side ;-)
  • Drew since you mentioned the CD changer..I'm curious to know b/c we ordered the Bose system on our 02 ML320 which comes with a 6 disc changer. Can you still add the in-dash single CD and use both changer and single or can you add the in-dash and only use one or the other. My wife really prefers the in-dash but we both wanted the upgraded sound system.

    So I'm thinking that if I can add the in-dash that might make her happy. She likes the convenience of changing a disk when she wants to.

    Believe it or not my salesman tried to tell me that the in-dash disk only came with the navi system but I showed him the brochure where is clearly states the option for the base system. He finally backed off

  • pchiupchiu Posts: 72
    To Drew:
    Can you confirm that in the crash photos, the seats that hanging out is not the actual 3rd row seat, but the 2nd row seat ? My real concern is, what if, if my 2 kids were in the 3rd seats during the accident.
  • pchiu-
    In the picture it looks like it is the 2nd row seats to me. Look at the bottom split in it. Also look at the backs of them. They are not the same as the picture in post #4493.

    Looks like it was a pretty bad hit to me.
  • wmquanwmquan Posts: 1,817
    Drew and Ken: Thanks. Interesting about the 2000 structural changes. I know MB hasn't asked IIHS for retest; could that be interpreted that MB doesn't think it would help with the test, otherwise they'd go through the trouble (expense?) of requesting another test? Doesn't seem to me that MB would easily give up safety bragging rights.

    X5 roof cave-in? Ugh!
  • gustavmgustavm Posts: 43
    Re message #4507

    <<Can you still add the in-dash single CD and use both changer and single or can you add the in-dash and only use one or the other.>>


    My dealer also insisted that you could not have both. After analyzing the brochure and looking at the list of options on the website, it became clear that it is feasible. Another salesman at the dealership confirmed this.

    One can have the 6-CD changer AND the in-dash CD player added as an option. However, once you have opted for the single in-dash, you cannot add the navigation system. Conversely, if you have the 6-CD changer and the NAV system, you CANNOT have the single in-dash CD player. You can however use the NAV system to listen to one CD at a time, assuming you are not using the NAV system, of course.

    -- Gustav
  • drew_drew_ Posts: 3,382
    Remember that the ''98 and '99 models had different looking 3rd row seats than the '00s. However, you are corrected, the salvage yard unbolted the right most rear seats and put them in the cargo area for some reason.

    Yes, you can use both the in-dash CD player + the CD changer, at least for the '00s and '01s. It appears as a 7th disc, I believe. The GPS system has an in-dash CD reader for the map CDs, which is why you can't have both the in-dash CD player + the GPS module installed together.
  • I have yet to see any pricing with the Nav system for the ML320. Is it a standard option now? If not, I'm hoping to use it to negotiate the price I'll pay you MSRP Mr. Dealer, provided you throw in nav system + roof rack....
  • kenyeekenyee Posts: 738
    I have no idea how they decide. I suspect if the IIHS finds a really crappy result, they would submit a new one; that seems like the pattern from all the crash reports this year. I suspect that MB thinks it is good enough. They're still in the top. What doesn't show up in their test is that MB put in some reinforcements in the 1999.5 model they tested based on a Euro test of a 1999 model, but that's just trivia ;-)
    The caved in X5 roof illustrates how real-life isn't always the same as IIHS testing. That's why it was interesting to watch the ML real-life crash results for a few years (thanks to Drew's nearby junkyard ;-). I wish we had more MDX crashes...I'm still curious how well it does (though that guy on acuramdx hitting an 18 wheeler and totalling it seems to indicate it is fine).

    The 2001 Nav was $1500. The one before that was $2K because 2001 added the GPS antenna as standard equipment. I suspect no change in pricing. Something is different w/ the MY2002 Nav though since the MY2001 Nav doesn't work in a MY2002...
  • drew_drew_ Posts: 3,382
    If I was to speculate based on what I've seen, the 3rd row occupants might be injured in that accident, but they most likely wouldn't have been fatal injuries due to the way the frame buckled upward and redirected energy downwards as well. In cases of severe collisions, MB has said that the structure is designed not only to route crash energy through the vehicle, but also around the sides and the roof.

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  • rjlimrjlim Posts: 30
    Has anyone replaced their stock steering wheel, whether from ML320 or ML430 with the wood steering wheel by themself? Is it that hard? or the dealer has to install it?
  • fredtwdfredtwd Posts: 25
    I got 2002 Accessory prices off the mbusa web site. It looks like the Navigation is $1,690.

    To get to these prices you have to go to:

    And select 'Build Your Own'. After selecting colors and options, it brings

    you to an accessory page.


  • wmquanwmquan Posts: 1,817
    On third row safety: I think the M-class in the photo did well. I think a really heavy hit is going to transfer some amount of force to third-row seat occupants, but realistically, the M-class is a mid-sized vehicle, not a bus. There isn't room to put a lot more structure behind the third-row.

    Ken: Yep, IIHS doesn't predict roof cave-ins, just like the offset-front test won't predict side impact safety. All we have are the photos, good ones too.

    But Ken, think about how you wrote "I wish we had more MDX crashes"! Just as we're about to go on a weekend trip over the mountain passes again ...
  • kenyeekenyee Posts: 738
    Have a safe trip. :-)
  • The picture of the crashed is defintely not the 3rd row seat. I have the 3rd row seat on my 99ML and it is just like the 00 version dudes.
  • Taken out the Fire/Rescue Convention in New Orleans last weekend. Look at those 0-50 times on the screen above the unit.


  • I am sure others here will disagree with me on this, but my advice is don't waste your money on the nav system if it hasn't been improved since the '00 model. I have it in my 430 and am very disappointed in it's performance. If you are in a large metropolitan area, it's data base is good, but the routing sucks. You can't trust it for routing unless you already know how to get there, it will rarely take you on the best route. And if you are not in a large city, it's data base on points of interest, retaurants, etc is not good. I can go on and on about it's limitations, but will stop here. Go buy a Street Pilot or something like it if you want a good nav system.

    I've said it here before, Mercedes should be ashamed of putting out a nav product as lame as what is in my '00 430. I'm not putting down my M class by saying this, because I love it, but the nav system leaves a lot to be desired.
  • Is it true that they are no longer making the sky view tops and option? I went the the MBUSA web site and under options for the 320 and 500, its not listed. Anybody heard anything?
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