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2008 Subaru Impreza WRX

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  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,674
    If you compare the '08 Impreza sedan (not 5-door) with say an early-mid 1990s-era Legacy sedan, the exterior dimensions (length, width, wheelbase and height) are within a fraction of an inch of one another. I mention that out simply as a point of reference. The new Impreza is quite a bit roomier than the out-going model, especially for rear seat passengers.

    The same holds true with the 5-door—except for the length (and trunk space), which is about 6" shorter.

    I hope—expect! the new Impreza to be pretty close to the current Legacy in terms of refinement; by that I mean ride comfort and quietness. Yes, it will be missing some of the Legacy's creature comforts, but most of what's missing is fine with me. I don't want power seats and some of the other rather so-called luxury features found on the Legacy GT.

    Bob
  • stevecebustevecebu Posts: 493
    If they put the 6MT on the WRX, that would be less incentive to purchase an STi. HIDs? Again, less incentive to buy and STi.
    I still don't see much competition for these vehicles in the the AWD w/MT market. Very few competitors in the AWD w/AT market as well but more none the less.


    I'm not buying your argument. I see it as Subaru saving $$$ making the car and maxxing out profit. I fully agree they are in the business to make money. I just think they have made the wrong decisions and are not going to make as much money as they could by alienating loyal customers.
    The Lancer is the only real competition and me thinks it's going to stomp Subaru flat this time around. Mitsu has been running so far in the Red they have forgotten what Black looks like and yet they produce a great looking car. Performance, well we will have to wait and see.
    Too much is missing from the WRX just to make the STI look better and it's probably going to backfire on Subaru as customers are much more educated nowadays.
  • stevecebustevecebu Posts: 493
    Well, I'm over 60—so there!
    Regardless of our ages, I predict this car will do wonders for Subaru.


    You have me on the age, that is for certain, :D A good friend of mine who is 59 took one look at pics of the new WRX today when he was over visiting and said it was a very ugly car and no way would he buy one and loves his 2006 Camry which is fully loaded with everything. He said "I don't care how fast it goes it'll look too ugly getting wherever it's going."
    His wife who is actually the same age as my wife both love the new EVO X in a big way!
    He said the EVO looked much better but wouldn't spend $40K on a depreciating asset.
    So that's one Camry owners opinion. I've shown a few cars to my wifes friends and every single one of them picked out the EVO X even among BMW's and a few other cars I'm considering. So you have 3 age brackets and opinions.
    Maybe Subaru will sell a ton of them, but they really screwed up this time unlike back when I bought my 2002 model.
  • stevecebustevecebu Posts: 493
    Last car they manufactured that I really wanted was '05 Legacy wgn w/MT. I just had my WRX for too short to switch. Since then they do everything in their power to lose me. I feel I'm already too old for my WRX, but even if not, I simply a slightly larger version of what I have now - but without losing a thing. Is that too much to ask? Why can't they understand that? Isn't there enough 02-07 WRX wgn owners who think like me or may think like me in couple of years?

    Well I'm with you on this one and I'm not alone but a few diehards won't be convinced and it will always be that way. Subaru has done everything they can to say to me as a customer "DON'T BUY ME!"
    I honestly really like the look of the new Accord better (in coupe form) but I need 4 doors so that leaves me less options. But I'm not that old mid 40's and I don't like a "Boy Racer" look. But I don't want a blandmobile either with less good stuff on it than the previous year. Interior tweaks are nice but that's about the only advantage I can see with the 2008 WRX models. Sure to our host losing the LSD is no big deal but to me it is and if it wasn't then have Subaru put it back in the car since it's not a big deal. Great that the new Accord will have 270+HP and the WRX will have what 224HP?
    This doesn't really sound good to me.
    My 2002 looked much better, but less performance with the 2.0 liter.
  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,674
    The Accord may have 270 hp—all going to the front wheels. Hello torque steer!

    No thanks I'll take 224 hp and AWD over the Honda any day of the week.

    You honestly think your 2002 WRX looks better than the '08 model? If so we're not even speaking the same language... Have you seen the car in person? I have, and it looks pretty good, I think.

    You can rant all you want about the styling and/or content. If you feel so strongly against it, then go and buy the EVO, Accord or whatever. This is what we've got, like it or not. Frankly, I like it—a lot.

    Bob
  • aaykayaaykay Posts: 539
    You honestly think your 2002 WRX looks better than the '08 model? If so we're not even speaking the same language... Have you seen the car in person? I have, and it looks pretty good, I think.


    Yes, I honestly feel that the 07 looks better than the 08 model and I have seen the car (08) in person. I don't think the 08 looks "pretty good", even though in a bland sort of way, it does not look objectionable, except for the nasty taillights, which look cheap. I think Subaru made a mistake in moving away from the 06/07 "corporate" grill, after having been panned for the nasty version of it in the Tribeca...in the 06/07 Impreza version, the grill looked really good.

    The interior look has definitely improved in the 08 but hard plastics are still all over, based on my observation. In fact, after seeing the 08 in person (steeply raked rear-end thus reducing usable luggage space, lack of roof-rails, narrower tires and - to me - wimpier brakes), I voted against it with my wallet, by immediately special ordering an 07...and glad now that I did so, after hearing about the loss of the LSD and the loss of 9cu.ft of luggage room with the seats up.
  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    So then in theory, the Pontiac GTO should have outsold the STi since it was priced less and had 400hp v. only 300hp in the STi.

    Same arguement as your Honda Accord v. WRX....

    As I said, the LSD v. VDC will gain 2-1 sales v. loss of sales as well as the looks.

    Everyone I know who's in the Subie community, we are talking hard-core subie folks basically has said they'll wait for the 2nd year STi MY2010 and pick that up. If they needed a car right away they'd go for the 09 STi as that is the PERFORMANCE trim v. the WRX which is pretty much the std. trim level.

    As for EVO looks, very subjective as are all looks. So I discount that, then again, I drive my car from the inside, not the outside.... :)

    -mike
  • stevecebustevecebu Posts: 493
    Bob Said: The Accord may have 270 hp—all going to the front wheels. Hello torque steer!

    Steve says: So Subaru can't figure out how with a brand new platform to squeeze a for more HP and torque out of the motor? C'mon it's a whole new platform with the old engine in it. I mean an Accord with 270HP and you can make it hook up better but even still it's way over the Subie and AWD has a weight penalty.


    Bob says: You honestly think your 2002 WRX looks better than the '08 model? If so we're not even speaking the same language... Have you seen the car in person? I have, and it looks pretty good, I think.

    Steve says: yeah absolutely my 2002 looked miles better than the new 2008 model by far! Styling wise that is. Of course the newer motor would have been nice but the 2008 has a face only a mother could love.
    Nothing about seeing it in person is going to change it's not a good looking car, period and I'm hardly the only one to say that.

    Bob says: You can rant all you want about the styling and/or content. If you feel so strongly against it, then go and buy the EVO, Accord or whatever. This is what we've got, like it or not. Frankly, I like it—a lot.

    Steve says: I'm hardly ranting but some people are overlooking a lot of things due to their blind loyalty to the Subaru brand. I want much better styling and of course better content. I do NOT want them taking the good stuff out of the old model and charging the same price. The 2008 WRX has been de contented and gives a better interior but even still why not keep the LSD and the larger brakes or try to be even better that before not just a better interior.
    I will buy whatever I feel like. I have the money to do what I want as I earned it. I do feel strongly as you obviously do, since you are such a strong defender of the "Subaru maiden in distress".
    This is what we've got and I hope people don't buy it so Subaru will get off their laurels and make it better and more competitive.
    So are you first in line to buy a new one Bob? Already on the list?
  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    The 2008 WRX has been de contented and gives a better interior but even still why not keep the LSD and the larger brakes

    Brakes are larger on the 08 than any previous WRX. So you can take that out of the equation.

    So really you are griping about an LSD and the looks? C'mon now, all this space wasted on 2 very minor items, with looks being subjective entirely.

    -mike
  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,674
    Steve says: So Subaru can't figure out how with a brand new platform to squeeze a for more HP and torque out of the motor? C'mon it's a whole new platform with the old engine in it. I mean an Accord with 270HP and you can make it hook up better but even still it's way over the Subie and AWD has a weight penalty

    I answered that a few posts back. rsholland, "2008 Subaru Impreza WRX" #273, 3 Jul 2007 1:12 pm

    "Subaru maiden in distress"

    LOL! I think not...

    So are you first in line to buy a new one Bob? Already on the list?

    I answered that a few posts back. rsholland, "2008 Subaru Impreza WRX" #269, 3 Jul 2007 11:53 am

    Bob
  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,674
    I think Subaru made a mistake in moving away from the 06/07 "corporate" grill, after having been panned for the nasty version of it in the Tribeca...in the 06/07 Impreza version, the grill looked really good.

    Well here's something we can agree on. I've been a huge supporter of the 3-piece grille from day one. Yes, I would much rather have seen it carried over on to the '08 model, and to the complete Subaru lineup. Unfortunately you and I were in a minority here. :(

    Bob
  • aaykayaaykay Posts: 539
    About the brakes, the jury is still out on that. My eyes clearly indicated that they were not the larger GT discs. We will have to wait for the actual specs to arrive.
  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,674
    Still very early results, but very encourging nonetheless.

    Bob

    __________________________

    June 2007 sales in Japan:

    Impreza made it to #23, with 3,576 units sold. this figure was 176% of last June's sales. Adjusted to a 30 day month, the sales would be 4,126 units.

    The Legacy was #25, with 3,128 units sold (63.8%).
    #1 was the Corolla again - 12,446 units.
    #2: Toyota Vitz - 9,356
    #3: Honda Fit - 8,306
    #4: Nissan Serena - 6,711
    #5: Toyota Passo - 6,669
    #10: Nissan March - 4,948
    #20: Nissan Cube - 4,383
    #23: Subaru Impreza - 3,576
    #25: Subaru Legacy - 3,128
    #30: Honda Mobilio - 2,553
    Toyota took 17 spots in the Top 30.

    The Impreza figure is 43% above Subaru's monthly forecast (2,500/month).
  • stevecebustevecebu Posts: 493
    So are you first in line to buy a new one Bob? Already on the list?

    I answered that a few posts back. rsholland, "2008 Subaru Impreza WRX" #269, 3 Jul 2007 11:53 am

    Good to see you are putting forth your vote of confidence with zero financial investment Bob. :P I actually have to buy a car and have to spend the money and buy a car not armchair quarterback buying it.
    Oh and as far as the brakes go we will see. One guy on here says they are smaller. One says they are bigger 2 pot versus 4 pot. yep, well let's see what the actual specs are. It won't help that it's the same engine as before with 224 HP. Better interior no LSD and same engine BUT the same price. Yeah I'm excited now! :confuse:
    Styling is subjective as is anything you won't actually plunk your hard earned green down on.
    So Bob you won't be a potential customer for the new WRX like I will as it's just not in your plans, so how does all your gung ho support help Subaru when you don't buy the car you claim is so great?
    I mean it'd be like me bragging up a Porsche having no real issue while others pointed out the flaws but I'm saying how great it is anyway when i have no intention of buying it in the first place. So it's great that you're a fan but me I am a potential buyer and my vote counts because it involves real money and that's a bit of profit for Subaru or some other company.
    Glad you like the styling on a car you're not going to buy. :surprise:
  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,674
    I'm not going to buy one right now. Maybe down the road...

    You seem to feel that because you're "putting your money where your mouth is," that that your comments hold more value than mine, or anyone else who disagrees with you.

    Since I'm a Co-Host of these Edmunds Subie forums, and have been involved with Subaru for over 10 years (currently own 3), as an owner and a member of the Edmunds Subaru community, I think I have every right to comment on whatever Subaru does.

    You're relatively new to this forum, so you have no idea what I and others here have contributed to SOA in terms of ideas and influence over the past 10 years or so. Several of us have been invited to Subaru events, and have communicated directly with top SOA executives on what we think of their products. They've listened to us as several of their models reflect changes and improvements that I and others from Edmunds have suggested.

    That's all the bragging I'm going to do about myself. I'm sure other long-time Edmunds people here can vouch for my credentials if need be. Glad your planning on spending some money with SOA. I'm sure they will appreciate it.

    Bob
  • stevecebustevecebu Posts: 493
    Since I'm a Co-Host of these Edmunds Subie forums, and have been involved with Subaru for over 10 years (currently own 3), as an owner and a member of the Edmunds Subaru community, I think I have every right to comment on whatever Subaru does.

    Yeah my buying Subaru's over the years and my family buying them doesn't really qualify me because I'm just a customer who buys cars and not a big shot.
    I'm sure you've contributed a lot and SOA probably does listen to you. They sure don't listen to me.
    I would never infringe on anyones right to have an opinion bob, it's just that for me if I am selling a product and people all say how great or bad it is but don't actually buy i then sure maybe their advice is helpful but the people spending the money have a bit more say in my opinion, now of course you and I and mike as well as many other have bought more than 1 or 2 Subaru's. I know a family that only buys Subaru and each kid had one so that's 3 and the parents had one each and then they had like 2 older ones for beaters, and they just love their cars! But why doesn't Subaru offer loyalty points like some companies?
    Also lets see how the styling fares over time. many people will buy a car just because it's the latest thing. So lets see how well the WRX does over say 2 years of time and see how sales are with the same engine and de-contented from last year and the whole ball of wax. My guess is they are going to have to make the car more rugged looking. Let's also see how well th new Lancer does in comparison because they weren't doing so well before and they really are the closest competitor. marketing types always would prefer to listen to praise than criticism.
    I'm planning on spending money on a new car. My wife is voting Lancer 110% and hates the look of the WRX. I don't know what I'm going to buy yet. But Subaru treated me well before so I'm going to give them a shot, so we shall see.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    this figure was 176% of last June's sales

    The Impreza figure is 43% above Subaru's monthly forecast (2,500/month).


    Um, steve, might want to read those facts again....

    We're seeing the same thing in the CR-V thread, it has an ugly underbite and no V6 and no more power yet it's now the best selling SUV in the country.

    Subaru has said all along it was going to focus on giving the customer what they want, and an LSD simply isn't on the list for most customers. A nicer interior is probably on nearly everyone's list, and over half of new customers say they will consider a GPS on their next car.
  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,674
    Yeah my buying Subaru's over the years and my family buying them doesn't really qualify me because I'm just a customer who buys cars and not a big shot.
    I'm sure you've contributed a lot and SOA probably does listen to you. They sure don't listen to me.


    "Big shot?" The only reason I and others have been invited to SOA events is because we've earned their respect over the years for what we've said here at Edmunds. They apparently think that what we've said, and have to say, has some value, and so they seek out our advice.

    Bob
  • stevecebustevecebu Posts: 493
    this figure was 176% of last June's sales
    The Impreza figure is 43% above Subaru's monthly forecast (2,500/month).
    Um, steve, might want to read those facts again....


    Thanks, but I already read them and yes I'm sure that selling a bunch more units on a car that had poor sales to begin with will see an increase with early adopters and people who want the latest and greatest and I have mentioned that fact more than once.
    Let's see how well they do in the US. In Japan they were 23rd. Let's see how many units they sell and for what months. Figures don't lie, maybe the new car is a wunderkind and will make buyers flock to it in droves and keep doing so for years to come. I man as long as there aren't ay old models left in stock to actually compare them to. But then again new buys won't care about performance anyway because Subaru isn't going after that market. They want a different audience now. The older people who won't buy a Camry and yet have to talk the wife into a family car that's fun for them to drive. "See honey, it's too bland looking to be fun, can we buy it?" :blush:
  • stevecebustevecebu Posts: 493
    "Big shot?" The only reason I and others have been invited to SOA events is because we've earned their respect over the years for what we've said here at Edmunds. They apparently think that what we've said, and have to say, has some value, and so they seek out our advice.

    Bob, I've lived in the Philippines now for over 4 years! I know all about it's who you know and not what you know. It's so much a part of the culture here it's inescapable.
    Believe me when someone here knows someone they are almost untouchable. I was friends with the brother of the current Governor and his father was the Governor etc, etc...
    I'm not really into that sort of thing. I know Subaru has people they listen to and this new Subaru looks like it was designed by a committee of bean counters.
    I'm glad the styling appeals to you but it doesn't to me and i really want it to. But I'm the only one speaking up on this except for the guy who says the brakes are smaller and a few guys that don't like the styling also. You power guys namely you Bob and Mike. Just keep saying it doesn't matter. Well it matter to me, but I'm beating a dead horse. The Lancer people don't even bother to talk about their cars. But they do have a model they can drive right now.
    I'm not the sort of person who will ever be invited to a car makers event because I'll say what I really think, good for bad and I don't make excuses for it. People like me are not who Subaru wants to hear from they want to hear what they want to hear. th new design makes bangles BMW's look pretty darn good! :surprise: Did I really say that?!
    Anyway I think I'll be backing off of this since I've stated my opinion and it's not likely to change and neither you or Mike will likely change your opinions either and I respect your opinions. I don't agree with them but I do accept that you believe them.
    It's going to be a while before most of the 2008 cars become available and even long for the STI and the EVO.
    The new 1 series BMW looks pretty sweet tho but $10K more.
    Edmunds is a good company I was reading them at the public library when I was a kid. They were more like a booklet type of thing back then. I rely on Edmunds far more than Consumer Reports and I just think edmunds staff give all their opinions good or bad and I like that and that's usually a lot of people driving the cars.
    So enjoy the styling of the new WRX and let's see how sales do after the initial launch and the specs what are they really, I guess we will know in a few months.
  • aaykayaaykay Posts: 539
    That is certainly encouraging news for Subaru and also for me, since I own a Subaru now and don't want the company to go under. ;)

    I read the sales numbers in the US a couple of days back and the only 2 import makes who had a decline in sales over last year was Subaru and Kia. Did not give me a warm and fuzzy feel about Subaru. :sick:

    About the LSD, 99% of the public are completely unaware of what an LSD is, and hopefully will not notice that such a key piece of equipment has been quietly dropped, in favor of an electronic stability system (pricier models like the Spec-B, somes with both the LSD and VSC ;) ). If the sales of the new Impreza take off, it will be good for us Subaru owners. At this point, the only model for which I might plunk down the cash, is the upcoming STI....especially if it came with the SMG type of 6-spd auto-manual transmission....I will be willing to overlook the lack of cargo room and roof-rails, for a non-compromised STI with front/center/rear LSDs. :)

    I am almost dead certain that the new Impreza will be introduced in the US market with incentives. We will see shortly. :)
  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,674
    Again, you know nothing about me, as is clear from this and other posts that try to belittle me. I've never been a "yes man" for Subaru. Go back about 5 years and seek out some of my early comments about the Baja. They we're highly critical of the vehicle. There were many other critical comments regarding other models as well.

    Subaru seeks out opinions of others because they want to know from those outside SOA walls—be the opinions be good or bad. On the Tribeca Ride-and-Drive back before the car was on sale, I told the SOA Tribeca Brand Manager that the car needed a larger more torque-friendly engine that's tuned to run on regular gas—and that's not what he wanted to hear.... Guess what? That's what we now have.

    Regardless. You have your mind made up about me and the '08 Impreza. So no need to continue with this discussion.

    Bob
  • dino001dino001 Tampa, FLPosts: 3,505
    I am almost dead certain that the new Impreza will be introduced in the US market with incentives. We will see shortly.

    Yeah - probably financing with no cash for first few of months (now everybody has that and this financing is not so special - 5.9 for 60 months - I can almost do that with Costco Executive), then $500 - some time about February-March.

    '08 Outback and Legacy already have cash - it took just two months from early intro of refreshed version. Impreza is "all new legend reborn with old guts" - should be good for three-four months, at least ;)

    2012 BMW 328i wagon, manual and sports package. No. sold in the US: 1. Probably.

  • aaykayaaykay Posts: 539
    Impreza is "all new legend reborn with old guts"

    That truly sums it up...with a slight modification....reborn with most of the old guts, but with some of the "guts" that made it what it is, MIA. :surprise:
  • aaykayaaykay Posts: 539
    In the current iteration, among the Imprezas, **only** the WRX got the rear LSD. No other Impreza was given the rear LSD.

    In the new 08 version with VDC (stability system) available throughout the range, what is the key differentiator between the 5-spd WRX and the 5-spd downmarket Imprezas, with LSD missing in both instances and VDC available in both ? Turbo engine ? All the "refinement" that keeps being bought up here, would be available throughout the Impreza range, I assume, with the non-WRX-Impreza being MORE refined with a softer ride and a MUCH lower price of entry. :P

    At least in the 4EAT version, the WRX version comes with the Center Diff that is missing from the non-WRX Imprezas. Among the sticks, the differences become more academic...so why plunk down several 1000 extra dollars more for a turbo engine and LESS refined ride :P ;) ?
  • lilengineerboylilengineerboy Posts: 4,116
    I have noticed that Subaru is doing a lot to streamline things and be more of a mass market vehicle. They dropped Legacy wagons, reduced the availability of manual transmissions, and are getting rid of mechanical performance parts (LSD).
    I know Toyota bought a chunk of Subaru recently, is there a possibility this their influence to streamline operations?

    All of the WRX pics I have seen are the wagon, is there no sedan being released?
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    a car that had poor sales to begin with

    And what difference did having an LSD and the 4-pot brakes make back then?

    None.

    Exactly my point.
  • lilengineerboylilengineerboy Posts: 4,116
    .so why plunk down several 1000 extra dollars more for a turbo engine ?

    50-60hp, few second reduction in 0-60 time, aren't the suspensions, tires and wheels different?
  • aaykayaaykay Posts: 539
    You and me know that...the suspension, the slightly larger brakes, the quicker steering, more power etc.

    But what of the common man who is reading through the specs before deciding on which model to buy ? The range that Subaru is supposedly targeting with the new Impreza ? ;) For them, they would care 2 hoots about slightly larger brakes (with the 06/07, you KNOW there is something special in the WRX with the big honking RED colored REX brakes ;) ), when both versions come with 4-wheel disc brakes, when both come with VDC, both come with AWD, when one of them is cheaper AND can run with regular fuel while the other has 20% more power but requires the more expensive Premium fuel, and both have the same legroom/shoulder-room/width/height/length/cargo-room. :P The specs differences become more academic for the common Joe that Subaru seems to be targetting with this new model, :P while the price difference is definitely not academic ;) .
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Aluminum hood too. Plus even the budget-priced TR has some extras inside (map lights, for instance).
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