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2008 Subaru Impreza WRX

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  • dino001dino001 Tampa, FLPosts: 3,486
    Cool, then all the wanabes can go back to hondah and mazda and those of us in the know will stick with Subaru.

    You can't have it both ways, Mike. EITHER those who know get Subaru and Subaru delivers it, not the wannabes, or they try to get those wannabes at expense of those "who know". I say go and get them brother, but don't expect that those "who know" will sit quiet and stick around.

    You said - of you want good stuff get STI. I'm a realist and outside of 6-speed tranny, I don't expect super-dooper powertrain for 30K-. I'm fine with the one they give - LSD removal is disapointing, but I could live with it. But they're shuving useless and overpriced Nav down my throat, while they could get me something that actually matters to me, like sunroof, leather, HID and just a bit better interior. Legacy shows they can do it for not much more so why in the world did they think grey on grey with grey (and did I mention grey?) was a good color scheme for sporty hatchback?

    2012 BMW 328i wagon, manual and sports package. No. sold in the US: 1. Probably.

  • dino001dino001 Tampa, FLPosts: 3,486
    But the kids with the WRXs really have worn on me over the years with their mellon shooters and cheesy stuff done to em

    So those tailights in '08 are fashionable for you ? :sick:

    2012 BMW 328i wagon, manual and sports package. No. sold in the US: 1. Probably.

  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    That's the thing, I could care less about fashion at all. Stock lights in whatever format are fine with me.

    Heck we were happy in the day with NA engines. Real old school folks drove RSs, OBs, XT6s, SVXs, etc.

    We added turbos to car that never were meant to have turbos.

    Those were the days!

    -mike
  • moparbadmoparbad Posts: 3,842
    in my white LGT wagon.

    -mike


    Legacy Wagon owners are part of the market that Subaru no longer serves.

    The interior of the 08's are OK. I look at the 08 WRX 5 door and the hood scoop is the only Subaru identity I see, the rest of it makes me think that it was switched at birth with a Mazda or Kia.
    The softer handling of the WRX is not appreciated.

    Cool, then all the wanabes can go back to hondah and mazda and those of us in the know will stick with Subaru.

    That is EXACTLY the market Subaru is now trying to capture.
    Soon there will be nothing recognizable to stick with.
  • moparbadmoparbad Posts: 3,842
    Real old school folks drove RSs, OBs, XT6s, SVXs, etc.

    My first Subaru was a 1978 BRAT. Second was a 1986 GL Hatchback.
    Inexpensive and built to stay that way. Old school.
  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    Well my SVX was anything but inexpensive. Nor my XT6!

    Eitherway there is not much we can do about any of the things people want or don't want. I guess I'm just so old school that I don't have to have exactly what I want, when I want it. AKA, I'm not spoiled. So whatever they sell if it fits my budget and gets the job done, I'm all for it. Heck I wanted a sedan, but got stuck with a wagon, I'm actually in agreement that there isn't a big market for them and they shouldn't produce a LGT wagon for my own personal needs.

    -mike
  • The fact that Impreza sales are up at the onset of a new model year is an expectation, not an overachievement. If refreshing your model line didn't increase sales, there wouldn't be much point in doing it.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Down 6.5% is good?

    Of course not. They have an aging Forester in the lineup.

    Remember, when you look at overall sales, the Forester historically has outsold the Impreza 3 to 1.

    A new Forester is about to arrive. That should reverse the skid.

    More importantly, complaints of the WRX "going soft" won't hurt the Forester nearly as much, in fact it might help, because that customer wants the comforts and probably thinks an LSD is a drug, not a differential. :D

    Tribeca sales are up with the refresh.

    Impreza sales are up with the re-design. So far so good.

    The Forester is a critical vehicle for Subaru, far more important than the Tribeca and WRX combined.

    Also note that the last 2 months, when the new Impreza was available, were both good months. So the down 6.5% was before the 2008 WRX arrived. Give it time.
  • aaykayaaykay Posts: 539
    I read that in some markets, the sales of the new Impreza went up, while that of the higher-margin Legacy, went down. So even though the new Impreza sold more, Subaru was not a winner.
  • aaykayaaykay Posts: 539
    A fairly detailed test drive of the JDM STi from Nabisco.

    http://www.channel4.com/4car/ft/subaru/impreza+wrx/12194/1
  • tiff_ctiff_c Posts: 531
    My friend who lives overseas says he say a Forester STi. He not only saw one driving on the road with full badging but also at the Subaru Dealership. He said he didn't have time to stop in but the ones at the dealership were also badged with the pink STi logo. These were not Legacy's but Forester Wagons. He said he didn't have his Digital Camera with him but was 100% certain they were legit.
    Does anyone know about these models?
  • jeffmcjeffmc Posts: 1,742
    Yes, there are Forester STIs. Not in the US, however. Initially released in Japan in 2004. Here's a little write-up from Australia:
    http://www.webwombat.com.au/motoring/news_reports/subaru-forester-sti.htm
  • tiff_ctiff_c Posts: 531
    Yes, there are Forester STI's. Not in the US, however. Initially released in Japan in 2004. Here's a little write-up from Australia:
    http://www.webwombat.com.au/motoring/news_reports/subaru-forester-sti.htm

    Thanks for the link, yes that sounds just like what he described. They apparently have them new in the Philippines now. I can't see why they wouldn't bring it to America, but another mistake by Subaru out of so many who would notice. :sick:
  • While I'd really like a Legacy Wagon STI, I think I could settle for a Forester STI.
  • If I already posed this my apologies, but one subie dealer told me there's good change Impreza will have a 5 speed auto sometime next year.

    I'm considering the '08 Impreza and the 5-speed auto would make it the number one candidate.

    as for the "soft" suspension, I live in area where roads are really crummy, so that sounds like a plus.
  • tiff_ctiff_c Posts: 531
    It's not that they won't bring it to America... it's that it's not here yet.
    I'm pretty sure we'll see it in '08 or '09... Subaru has essentially said they want to spread STI models throughout the lineup.

    Well I NEED a car soon :sick:
    I'm kind of hoping all the good stuff come out before I need one. Early 2008 is not going to be a good year for me. Price of course is a factor but my wife saw it and liked it right away. Too bad another 1-2 years.
  • aaykayaaykay Posts: 539
    Based on a post in Nabisco, which linked to an Australian site, it seems like Subaru is thinking about a model that slots between the STi and the widely-panned-for-its-wimpy-handling-08-WRX. High time they recognized that ! Also, when the original WRX debuted in 2001, 227HP was great with family cars like Honda Accords in the 190HP range. Now with Accords and Toyota Camrys in the 270HP range, the WRX is obviously unexceptional in the power department too. Seems like the Subaru WRX stood almost still and slunk a few feet backward on many scores, when the whole world marched on.

    Quote from the link;

    http://carsguide.news.com.au/story/0,20384,22734112-5003140,00.html

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    STI project manager Hiroshi Mori has also foreshadowed the creation of another model that would sit between the 169kW WRX and 221kW STI. "There is the potential for an intermediate model but we have to be careful to think the the whole situation through," he said.
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  • tiff_ctiff_c Posts: 531
    Read a few articles from other mags. seems it has a lot of body roll and understeer. the understeer is correctable with dialing the center diff I guess, but Subies rally car driver was the one who felt a rolly polly suspension offroad was a good thing. Shame they never told him Subaru doesn't make the street cars for offroad.
    The current articles say it's good but not great and considering it' a new model. I think it should have been a lot better with more improvements. I'll reserve final judgment until i drive one but the projected date of when it will be in the showrooms in April 2008 so it's off my list much to the delight of my wife and I need a car soon.
    2008 so far is very dissapointing for me new car wise across all the marques. :sick:
  • tiff_ctiff_c Posts: 531
    No I read it. I also read other magazines as well and it's got alot of body roll so more money for sway bars, front strut brace in case the US model doesn't have one. We don't get the Recaro seats and we don't get the twin scroll turbo which is much smoother. I guess they think most Americans want a huge turbo rush rather than smoothness. The other article C&D I believe, also estimated it's price to start at $34,500. Out of my current range to justify the purchase, so it looks like for the next 5+ years I won't be buying a Subaru. :sick:
    I was hoping for a lower price but not expecting it. Edmunds was fairly upbeat about the car but they also drove the Japanese only version same as other mags. The real test will be the US version whenever it's allowed to be driven. Supposedly won't be in showrooms until April. So looks like Subaru and a few other makes are off my list because they won't come out until my current car is long dead. Ah well at least the Mazdaspeed 3 kicks serious butt and while not AWD it about all I can hope for until the next crop of cars after 2012.
  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,661
    I wouldn't put a whole lot of stock in that C&D write-up. As I recall, the writer was having trouble adjusting to the RHD aspect, and as such probably felt awkward driving the car, which could account for his negative comments. The other writeups I've read were pretty positive.

    Sounds to me like you're looking items to fault, as you've already got your mind made up. No car is perfect. You can always find something to complain about if you look hard enough. I wish the new STI had a monroof option; that's my main complaint.

    April delivery? I heard February, or thereabouts.

    Bob
  • Moonroof. Yes. Really comes in handy when trying to keep man's best friend cool in the warm weather.
    I'd like leather too. A lot easier to keep clean with kids and dogs.
  • tiff_ctiff_c Posts: 531
    Sounds to me like you're looking items to fault, as you've already got your mind made up. No car is perfect. You can always find something to complain about if you look hard enough. I wish the new STI had a moonroof option; that's my main complaint.

    It sounds to me as if you don't like any one who has a differing opinion than you do. Of course new cars get the faults pointed out when they come out as well as the good points. I haven't driven the car and considering the cost my wife isn't likely to let me buy it anyway.
    Subaru as many have said has gone soft and while some of that can be corrected it's their loyal fans they've let down the most. Very few changes from 2007 to 2008 and that's a full redesign not a minor model change.
    Since no one has officially tested the US version nor do they have prices I'll wait and see.
    I've also heard about the Feb delivery as well as April, nothing firm yet. If they can't be bothered to announce it at the LA auto show this week then it won't matter as far as buying it for me anyway. I can't play games like this when I need a car and am just holding off to car makers who are delivering late into the new year are delaying everything more and more.
  • Ah well at least the Mazdaspeed 3 kicks serious butt and while not AWD it about all I can hope for until the next crop of cars after 2012.

    I love my Speed 3, but it too has it's drawbacks. No sun/moonroof option. I belive it's for chassis rigidity reasons. The gasp for breath at about 6000 rpm. The sometimes balky shifter, etc. It's not in the same group as the STi in terms of performance, but it excels in the bang-for-buck category.

    Being notoriously thrifty, a.k.a. 'steenking cheapskate', the numbers alone are what keep the STi out of my serious consideration. I get that it's better hardware and LSD AWD. I understand it's worth it to some folks. It really would be cool to own such a fine machine. For me, it's thinking about my kids rapidly approaching college education, or another payment on a car 7000 or so above my comfort range. Hmmmm....
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    I think that makes sense.

    And I say go all out, give it the STI wider body work.

    Take a page from Porsche's book. They tend to offer a turbo body kit model that isn't a turbo. Give it the suspension and the wider track, too.

    I bet the regular WRX outsells it 8 to 1, but at least the autocross crowd would have their option.
  • tiff_ctiff_c Posts: 531
    I love my Speed 3, but it too has it's drawbacks. No sun/moonroof option. I believe it's for chassis rigidity reasons. The gasp for breath at about 6000 rpm. The sometimes balky shifter, etc. It's not in the same group as the STi in terms of performance, but it excels in the bang-for-buck category.

    Well from what I have seen, all cars have drawbacks, the question is can I as the buyer live with them?
    I never want a hole in my roof. I live in New England and maybe all those bad experiences won't repeat themselves but I don't want to find out. So that's a non-issue for me. I've heard about the shifter and haven't heard of a Fix for it yet. maybe eventually?
    6K rpms is ok by me, it's not a Civic Si. ;)
    It seems like my best compromise at this time. bang for the buck the new WRX is nothing like my old one. I finally drove one and didn't like it but can see the improvements. I'd take the Mazda over the new WRX as it's a no brainer.

    Being notoriously thrifty, a.k.a. 'steenking cheapskate', the numbers alone are what keep the STi out of my serious consideration. I get that it's better hardware and LSD AWD. I understand it's worth it to some folks. It really would be cool to own such a fine machine. For me, it's thinking about my kids rapidly approaching college education, or another payment on a car 7000 or so above my comfort range hmmmm....

    Well my wife will in no way allow me to spend that kind of dough on a car and we pay cash for whatever we buy. The STI will need some tweaking like sway bars etc... But looks like it has a ton of potential. The price is just so high that I just can't justify it.
    My kids have decided about their careers and are pursuing them so no more college bills for me except the youngest who hasn't decided yet.
    I think the other guy who is hardcore about subaru doesn't get why anyone would complain about a car that cost big $$$ and yet find faults. I guess for me to spend that kind of money it has to be dead on, or buy cheaper. I will take a Speed3 for a test drive soon. I've delayed because my buddy says I'll drive home with it that day if I drive it.
    My wife wants a Mini Cooper, nice cars, small very small she says no they are just fine, but 2 hour drive to the dealer each way means a day out of work. :surprise: :sick:
    I can't afford that! The car yes, the day off no. Too bad Mini has such a small dealer network. It's just not viable at almost 2 hours away with traffic Rt 128 always has traffic and Rt 93 is no picnic either. I can head up Rt 1 but that's not a world of fun either. My wife does not drive long distances.
    I guess I've gotta get a diesel eventually gas is too expensive now.
  • moparbadmoparbad Posts: 3,842
    08 WRX Review USA Today

    I don't mind the styling on the outside, it's the inside I'm not crazy about. And the trim levels and equipment could use some tweaking. Nothing that can't be fixed as the model cycle continues.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Funny thing is I like the interior better than the exterior. :D

    That's why I have high expectations for the Forester - same improved interior, yet a distinct outer shell.
  • moparbadmoparbad Posts: 3,842
    The headliner felt like a cardboard carton sprayed with fuzzy stuff from a craft shop. The sun visors were an unpleasant-to-the-touch vinyl, and the straps on them to hold maps and so forth were bottom-of-the-barrel plastic. Controls worked OK but had the look of a previous generation of auto development.

    Funny thing is I like the interior better than the exterior. :D

    That's why I have high expectations for the Forester - same improved interior, yet a distinct outer shell.


    That's why I have concerns about the Forester, Subaru can not exude cheapness at the price levels they are at.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Most Forester sell for below the average price for a new car.

    These are not really high prices.

    I test drove a Saturn Vue Redline yesterday. Guess how much?

    Over $32 grand. :surprise:
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