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2008 Subaru Impreza WRX

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  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,661
    Joe Spitz does a heck of a job chronicling Subarus. Here he has images on all the various functions of the NAV unit on the new WRX/2.5i Premium models w/NAV.

    http://www.cars101.com/subaru/nav2.html

    Bob
  • jeffmcjeffmc Posts: 1,742
    Joe's the man! :shades:

    This is a different nav system than Tribeca, correct? Extremely pleased to see they've added Spanish language to the English & French that are offered on Tribeca. You can control the key chime & the defroster timers? How cool is that! Looks well thought-out.

    I wonder how the SRS-WOW sound system works w/the Nav control... I know you can't get the CD changer if you get Nav, but is it still the SRS-WOW upgraded audio system on the single disc setup? Also wonder if the new optional iPod interface kit will work with the Nav. It'd be a pity to lose the premium audio & iPod interface if you choose a model with Nav.
  • I wonder if they will update any of the turbo engines because I heard the Mitsubishi Lancer Ralliart will have around 230 hp.
  • subytrojansubytrojan Monterey Park, CaliforniaPosts: 28
    Magic 8 Ball says, "Doubtful."
  • aaykayaaykay Posts: 539
    Seems like the 08 Imprezas (including the OBS) are not rated for towing at all, unlike the 2000 lbs towing capacity of the 07 version !

    Also, as far as the EAT version is concerned, the WRX 4EAT is no longer VTD and thus the 08 WRX 4EAT no longer has a Center Differential. So now it drives with a 90/10 Front-wheel-biased torque split, when compared to the 02-07 which drove with a Rear-wheel-biased 45/55 Torque split. So unlike the 02-07 4EAT WRX which is permanently in AWD, the 08 can be made into a full-time Front-wheel-drive, by pulling a fuse. This was a significant difference between the 02-07 4EAT WRX and the other Imprezas....only the WRX came with a Center Differential, while the other 4EAT Auto Imprezas did not. Now that difference has disappeared in the 08 !

    The Cargo capacity with the seats up, has reduced from 27 to 19 and with the rear seats folded flat, has reduced from around 62 cu.Ft of storage in the 02-07 wagons, to 44 cu.Ft in the 08 Hatch.

    So it seems like pretty significant changes (not all for the better) have taken place during the 08 re-design.
  • stevecebustevecebu Posts: 493
    Seems like the 08 Imprezas (including the OBS) are not rated for towing at all, unlike the 2000 lbs towing capacity of the 07 version !

    I'm sorry but as I read each new thing about Subaru and not just in this forum the picture becomes more and more clear that Subaru has made too many changes. We were considering a base Impreza but with zero ability to tow plus it's now pretty much a FWD I can't see the logic in buying the car. I might buy a leftover 2007 but I just don't see Subaru as a viable option like I used to.
    The Mazda 3 looks good and it's also a FWD.
    The STi is going to be either really awesome or watered down also. I can't really see paying the money for Subaru any more. Perhaps if/when they redesign the car again it will be worth another look. but for now it seems like you aren't getting much bang for your buck. :sick:
  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,661
    Word has it that the WRX automatic no longer has VTD, which means it's now like other non-VTD models which are FWD-biased in their front/rear power default. On previous VTD auto WRXs the power default was 45/55.

    The good news is that most people don't buy WRX automatics, and now this is even more reason not to buy a WRX auto.

    Bob
  • dino001dino001 Tampa, FLPosts: 3,476
    You miss the point entirely, Bob. All new styling, softer steering/suspension, better interior upgrades were made to supposedly bring mainstream "semi-premium" compact buyer. Subaru pretty much said "screw you enthusiasts, if you want something more shell out 35K and buy our new STI - we want Joe Schmo to buy new Impreza, including WRX". Many of those people simply can't drive manuals and have to get automatics. With the previous AWD system WRX was at least unique in the market - there was nothing else like it, even with that pittyful 4-speed AT.

    All Auto WRX became now is a just fast car with really antiquated transmission, nice but not stunning interior, poor gas mileage (premium required) and with system that helps you a little in snow or would transfer power back if you launch too hard. All that for 26-28 grand, depending if you want some contemporary conveniences or not. You got to be kidding me! For that kind of money you can already have real piece of tech with DSG, better gas mileage and much better styling (mind you A3 starts 25.5K DSG adds something like 1-1.5 grand?) that at least does not pretend to be anything else. Or you could save a bunch and buy admittedly slower but much nicer Mazda3. Or GTI. Or add some money and get yourself a TSX. Or whatever else is in the market, as it makes much more sense than that POS.

    Oh boy - no I really see $1000 minimum cashback as early as January or March. Especially that the manual version will also have an uphill battle for existence. SRT-4 for around 23K with more equipment, same with Speed3. And Raliart is going to kill them. :cry: :cry:

    Legend reborn fiasco continues....

    2012 BMW 328i wagon, manual and sports package. No. sold in the US: 1. Probably.

  • saedavesaedave Chicago, ILPosts: 683
    So unlike the 02-07 4EAT WRX which is permanently in AWD, the 08 can be made into a full-time Front-wheel-drive, by pulling a fuse.

    Real world fuel economy will improve slightly with the 90/10% split. The ability to not require a flat bed truck for a tow is a significant advantage that many potential purchasers will like. The differentiation from the STI is thus increased...permitting a profitable greater price spread. CAFE problems may have contributed to the 90/10% change.
  • subytrojansubytrojan Monterey Park, CaliforniaPosts: 28
    I read the split is 60/40 F/R for the 4AT at www.imprezaenvy.com last night.
  • jeffmcjeffmc Posts: 1,742
    ^Big difference over 90/10. Perhaps that's enough to address Steve's complaint of being pretty much FWD bias. I don't recall seeing a default 60/40 F/R split w/Subaru before... just 90/10 & 45/55.
  • subytrojansubytrojan Monterey Park, CaliforniaPosts: 28
    Since SOA's web site is weak sauce, I had to turn to our friends up north again for solid 60/40 split info you all can easily see.

    http://www.subaru.ca/WebPage.asp?WebPageID=6728&Range=Impreza&ModelYear=2008&Web- - SiteID=282
  • volkovvolkov Posts: 1,302
    Much better web-site! Yep that's what we gain for the privilege of paying $8000 more for the same vehicle.
  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,661
    Very interesting. There had been some debate as to whether it was a 90/10 or a 80/20 split. Now we know it it's 60/40. I checked the Forester and it's the same deal. The Outback description, however, is less clear because of the different AWD systems used. No front/rear split percentages were mentioned.

    I wonder if this is new, or if it's been this way for some time.

    Bob
  • saedavesaedave Chicago, ILPosts: 683
    Bob,
    60/40 would certainly be nicer for both handling and traction. Can anyone confirm that pulled fuse = FWD?
    Dave
  • dino001dino001 Tampa, FLPosts: 3,476
    Just got an email. The offer is amazing - over 2 grand above what I would expect from dealer on trade (12700 for '03 WRX wagon). Now, if those new Imprezas had sunroof 6 speed tranny and HID, I would probably run to the dealer today even with those clear taillights. :cry:

    2012 BMW 328i wagon, manual and sports package. No. sold in the US: 1. Probably.

  • aaykayaaykay Posts: 539
    Hi, I saw that website too and some of what is mentioned there is pure hogwash. Case in point is:

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    Automatic Transmission with SPORTSHIFTTM that incorporates an advanced multi-plate transfer clutch centre differential for smooth and sure-footed acceleration.
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    There is nothing called a "multi-plate transfer clutch centre differential". In fact, there is NO CENTER DIFFERENTIAL in the non-VTD Automatics. If they can make such blunders, I wonder if the 60/40 is also something that somebody pulled out of thin air, without any input from their engineering group.

    Going through the mechanical aspect, why would a center diff lacking AWD system, be constantly driving with 40% of the power being transferred through the clutch plates to the rear ? Why be wearing out the clutch plates needlessly ? I think this is pure nonsense too. It might become a 60/40 under certain conditions (which is probably what the writer at the website spun to arrive at the 60/40), when more power needs to be transferred to the rear but I would wager that this is a 90/10 "default" system (simply because there is no center diff), with the little dribble of power going to the rear in the "default" mode, purely intended to prime the transfer mechanism to speed up the power transfer process, when it actually transfers power rearward.

    I believe the Acura SH-AWD system drives with something like 60/40 as the default but the significant difference here is that it HAS A center differential. Thus there is nothing wearing out, when driving around with the 60/40, since the split is pre-decided by the setting of the center diff....big difference from the Center Diff lacking non-VTD EAT system.
  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    1st Gen ATs had a 90/10 up til about the mid-90s. Then they switched to an 80/20. Mind you this is only the initial values for the split. As soon as you apply throttle input the torque is shifted toward the rear etc. The advantage of the system is it can do 80/20 to 20/80 if need be.

    Having HPDEd my 92 SVX which had 80/20 with a mechanical rear LSD and Road Raced my 96 Impreza L which had the 80/20 also, I can say that the torque split did not effect the handling significantly enough to make a difference, even in race conditions.

    -mike
  • aaykayaaykay Posts: 539
    Going by what the new "WRX" has turned out to be, I would go back to Bob's suggestion to re-name this product as the Impreza S-GT or so.

    And then, bring out a credible, slightly hard-core version, essentially a toned down model that can reside comfortably between this "WRX" and the upcoming STI, and name that model as the "WRX". Hopefully such a model will spank cheaper FWD whipper-snappers like the MS3 and not have to blush and pretend to look the other way, when an MS3 pulls beside it. The "WRX" brand-name, especially an 08 introduction, truly deserves this measure to be taken. They should not hesitate to offer such a model, a 280HP/280Torque engine with a firm but compliant suspension, tuned to out-handle anything else within its price-range. The STI obviously will come with a 330HP/350Torque engine and many other bells/whistles that would be exclusive to that model and thus would make zero compromises from its max-performance mission.

    The people looking for "refinement" can spring for the soft S-GT and the ones on the lookout for a factory-tuned high-performance model can then spring for the WRX, without the big expense or other ultra-hardcore compromises of a full-bore STI.
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