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2008 Subaru Impreza WRX

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  • volkovvolkov Posts: 1,302
    Let's get a few things straight. I take offense that you think all track folks don't want VDC. I'd kill for VDC on track. Anything for an advantage!

    Mea Culpa for forgetting your views on VDC and racing, I know you are a performance over poseur guy. There are others however who don't like it - either due to ignorance/arrogance that they are better drivers than the computer could be or the impression in some non-Subies that it does hurt lap time by slowing one down too much or giving the feel of fighting the car. That had been my point.

    Second here in the USDM market which is about 95%+ on this board, the Wagon was equipped exactly like the Sedan.

    So what you're saying is neither US wagon or Sedan had VDC in the GT?? I am wondering that given the fact that you do track the wagon and say you wish you had VDC.

    On a side note, that last comment sounds a little uncharitable to we 5%, and might I add, a little unwelcoming from a Host albeit of a sister forum. I could only make comments on the specs as I had recalled as available to me in Canada - I made the clarification to ensure it wasn't misleading and to allow correction if required. Thanks for the correction, but the attitude wasn't needed. I will have to dig up the brochure where I noticed that. It could be a distinction with Spec B only, which would be my mistake -not sure. The important point was that the VDC and wagon didn't mix and I didn't want the 3.0R.
  • dino001dino001 Tampa, FLPosts: 3,426
    So what you're saying is neither US wagon or Sedan had VDC in the GT?? I am wondering that given the fact that you do track the wagon and say you wish you had VDC

    That's exactly right. In their infinite wisdom, Subaru still didn't include VDC in GT Ltd. Sedan w/manual even in 2009. They did for Outback XT, already in 2008, IIRC, but for sedan you have to get an auto with GT. Basically, since NA 2.5 (SE and i) versions do get VDC, the mentioned GT version is now the only Subaru not getting VDC (even '09 Impreza gets it across the line, IIRC the press release). Go figure :surprise: :confuse: :sick:

    2012 BMW 328i wagon, manual and sports package. No. sold in the US: 1. Probably.

  • sbcookesbcooke Posts: 2,297
    I hit manual and drove on the "loosest" setting on the way to work today. Only for a couple of miles. The car drives much "lighter" and felt smoother. I think I might like it better. I have just been using "auto" for now, but thought it was worth trying.

    I am going to stick with the "auto" setting for the majority of the time for now, but it was an interesting observation.
  • volkovvolkov Posts: 1,302
    Second here in the USDM market which is about 95%+ on this board, the Wagon was equipped exactly like the Sedan.

    Well, I checked when I got home and was correct as the 2008 Canadian brochure specifies that VDC is only available on select sedans, aka Spec B and GT lim with auto.
    For the benefit of your claimed 95%, I did some searching and according to two sources including Edmunds, in the last year the GT wagon was available in the US, sedans with EAT got VDC, wagons did not. So the spec was not exactly the same - the exact point I was making. If you get dismissive it helps to be correct.

    BTW, I'm not bellyaching about the end of the wagon, it simply didn't meet my desire for a sporty wagon with auto with VDC that's why I didn't buy one. I do agree with the primary point you made that we can't complain about the demise of something we didn't support by spending the $$ to buy it.
  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    Sorry for offending you about the 5% comment. But in general we are discussing USDM cars and SOA here, not SOC. That was my point.

    As for the upcoming redesign, you will see both the Outback and the Legacy on the same platform, but you may see different front sheet metal on the fenders/hood to differentiate them a bit.

    As for a sporty wagon, looks like audi is it or an E-class.

    Subaru gave up on the luxury market, and that's really who is offering sporty wagons now. They weren't taking on the germans, similar to how Lexus dropped the IS Wagon. Infinity doesn't have a G or M wagon, etc.

    -mike
  • merrycynicmerrycynic Posts: 340
    I couldn't agree more! Word for word, that's how I feel. My little one will soon be taller than me, we need more leg room. We need a bit more storage capacity. I don't want a "cute ute" or a high center of gravity, plastic clad, off road pretender. I want a high value, practical, high performance, all wheel drive, wagon.
  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    VW? Tarus-x? A3? A4? BMW 3 or 5? MB C or E?

    -mike
    Motorsports and Modifications Host
  • I dunno if you could call the Taurus X anything even a little sporty. I think the Legacy the Passat and the Mazda were about it, and the Legacy and Passat could get close to A4 and 3-series territory.
  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    Depends who you ask about the Tarus-X. How about the Ford Flex? It looks like a bigger mini-cooper! :)

    WRX? It's got big seats and it's a wagon/hatch?

    If there were truely a market for a "reasonably priced" sporty wagon, then other manufacturers would have jumped into the market. My guess is that the size of the potential buyer pool is small enough not to warrant manufacturers making them.

    -mike
    Motorsports and Modifications Host
  • dino001dino001 Tampa, FLPosts: 3,426
    I think I may take a test drive of new '09, but I don't get my hopes too high. Perhaps GTP will sway me, but I doubt it, too. Five years ago I would be extatic on that car - today I acknowledge the effort, but well - I dunno. New WRX will be great for what it is - a pocket rocket compact car, but I'm already in search for a car for grown-ups. I would easily let go a few (20-30) horses and totally sharp cornering for a better ambience and a few modern ammenities that Legacy GT offered (and some more that it doesn't). Leave the cladding, long springs and all-terrain tires in the factory and I would take it. If I had to pay extra for that, I might as well buy a car that was designed the right way from ground up in Munich. :sick:

    Now, my problem with WRX ('08 or '09) is its interior - not even remotely as nice as Legacy's. It's better made than my current '02 for sure, but it's still light years from Legacy/Outback. It's dull, unexciting, and plain downgrade if you consider that the car has a sticker close to 30K. Red stiching will put some make-up on it, but it won't solve the fundamentals. None of which is true for Legacy. Boy-racer tail lights don't help, either.

    2012 BMW 328i wagon, manual and sports package. No. sold in the US: 1. Probably.

  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    Well can you blame subaru for getting out of the wagon market? Going up against the A4, 3-series and C or E class MB is a tough thing to do on a Subaru budget. Dodge even dropped the Magnum for 09, so the ranks of sporty wagons keep dropping every year. :(

    I love my wagon but I recognize that there just isn't enough of a user base to support it.

    -mike
    Motorsports and Modifications Host
  • saedavesaedave Chicago, ILPosts: 679
    I love my wagon but I recognize that there just isn't enough of a user base to support it

    Mike,

    I wonder if there are enough potential sales to support a 3 inch lowering kit for the Forester? :P

    Dave
  • dino001dino001 Tampa, FLPosts: 3,426
    or Outback ?

    2012 BMW 328i wagon, manual and sports package. No. sold in the US: 1. Probably.

  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    I don't want a "cute ute" or a high center of gravity, plastic clad, off road pretender.

    So get a Forester, and lower it. ;)

    All the Impreza stuff bolts right on. My 1998 Forester had upgraded sway bars, strut tower brace, SPT short shift kit, you name it. Bolted right on.

    One bonus - you have TONS more room for wheel/tire choices.
  • dino001dino001 Tampa, FLPosts: 3,426
    Two problems:

    1. No manual transmission (on XT)
    2. Substantial extra cost. If you add cost of those upgrades to the XT, you could as well buy loaded A3 or stripped A4.

    2012 BMW 328i wagon, manual and sports package. No. sold in the US: 1. Probably.

  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Aren't loaded A3s in the $35k range?

    An XT Limited with NAV lists for $30.6k. Sells for closer to 28-29k.

    Good point about the no-manual, though. Can't fix that with mods, either.
  • dino001dino001 Tampa, FLPosts: 3,426
    Yeah, perhaps not totally loaded A3, but it would already have a lot. They start around $26K, but options are expensive, indeed.

    2012 BMW 328i wagon, manual and sports package. No. sold in the US: 1. Probably.

  • Good point about the no-manual, though. Can't fix that with mods, either.

    Just what happens when you get bought by a company that hasn't had a fun to drive car since the 90s.

    Oh well, I wish them the best.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    I think the weak dollar/strong Euro combination has seriously eroded the value of German cars. If they were ever a strong value to begin with.

    I just went to the Audi Ultimate Drive event at Summit Point Raceway, and it was an absolute hoot. We drove fairly well loaded A4s with the Luxury package and the adjustable Dynamic/Comfort suspension. V6 Quattro models, of course.

    The scary part? Estimated list price was $48,000!

    Without the Sport package! None of the cars there had them, to be comparable with the Lexus IS250 AWD, M-B 300 4Matic, and BMW 328xi they had along for comparison. The Lexus was the cheapest of the bunch at just under $40k, but all the rest were $40k plus, and Audi was the most expensive, probably because they compared their upgraded engine with the base engine of the competition.

    I'm sure a 2.0T would be cheaper, but by how much? Still low $40s probably.

    It's insane.

    Even BMW, they bring out the 1 series, but all they really did was increase 3 series prices, and then price the 1 series where the 3 series used to be ($30-40 grand).

    You can get a 128i or a FWD A3 in the high $20s, but a well equipped 135 or A3 Quattro will run well up in to the 30s.

    For $48 grand you could buy two basic WRXs, or a loaded Forester XT Limited plus an Outback Sport for your kid.
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