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  • jammylingjammyling Posts: 7
    I've had my '02 x5 3.0 for about four months now and love it for the most part. I'm still annoyed at some little glitches like the NAV system...which blanks out occaisionally, fogged xenon headlight housings, seat & power mirror memory malfunctions...all of which has been brought back to the dealer two times to have corrected, but been told there are no clear cut remedies. They've acknowledged the problem, but have no solution...not acceptable for a $50K SAV.

    To make matters worse, the detailers got wax residue on plastic moldings. Has anyone seen how unsightly that looks?! especially on a black car?! ive demanded my dealership to replace side door moldings after two unsuccessful attempts of removing the residue...in fact, they made it even worse apparently, by sanding parts of the moldings.

    ugh...just thought i'd share this with the board
  • sjbettesjbette Posts: 11
    just test drove them this past weekend. in terms of the ride, i feel the difference with the sport package when going through a few pot holes and speed bumps but that means feeling the road better and i like that. in terms of the look, the star spoke wheel and the clear side mirror appeal to me a lot. i might just get it. thanks for the input.
  • afieldsafields Posts: 5
    Hello all,
    I recently went to a BMW dealership and had the chance to check out an X5 3.0 liter. I liked everything about the car except for the fact that the sound system balance sounded off. It sounded (to me) like it was all coming to strongly out of the right than the left. I twiddled the BALANCE control and I managed to find a relatively comfortable point. However, it still didn't feel right. This has been a problem on two other X5s I have seen. If anyone could shed some light on this, I would greatly appreciate it.
  • I've been skimming thru X5 forums from here to bimmer.org for well over a year and you're the first person to mention any problem with sound balance. If this is wrt the premium (dsp) sound system, many have mentioned that it's just not worth the $, but I've never seen a post about sound imbalance. Till now.
  • steverstever Viva Las CrucesPosts: 41,009
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  • rickroverrickrover Posts: 602
    I've had my 01 X5 3.0 for about 7 months now - I went through the Sport no-Sport issue when I got mine. I liked everything about the sport package except the self leveling suspension.I decided against the sport package because of the self leveling suspension. I plan to keep my X for a long time (it replaced a Range Rover with 170k miles) and didn't want the complexity of the self leveling suspension past 100k miles. I had a 92 M5 that had a similar rear suspension as the X sport - talk about expensive when it got older. I plan to buy some 4.4 sport package wheels/ tires on Ebay to put on my 3.0 - that's all I need and maybe the 4.6is trim pieces.

    I've never noticed a balance problem with the sound system, I did add an amp and solobaric subwoofer to it - it's perfect now, nice rich sound.
  • cgmb16cgmb16 Posts: 1
    I was just wondering if the 3.0i's 6 cylinder has enough power or would i need to opt for the 4.4i's 8 cylinder.
  • Drive both, see what you want/need. 90%+ of my miles are city, so the straight 6 easily fit the bill. If you want to tow the 8 pulls another 1000 lbs. If you wanna be a big dawg at the stoplight, well, get a sportscar. 'Cuz even a 4.6 will get its doors blown off by a Z28 costing half as much. Really depends on your driving style -- both engines will allow you to easily exceed every posted speed limit.
  • timtx01timtx01 Posts: 11
    Hi all -
    I was shopping for an X5 at the end of last year and was totally turned off by the "take it or leave it" attitude that I encountered at Houston dealers. I guess the unwillingness to deal is understandable with a hot car. But I was so turned off that I bought a 2002 Passat V6 instead. Drives great, I got a super deal, and I've enjoyed putting my first 8,000 miles on it.

    However, I'm now buying my first house and thinking back to the extra carrying room in an X5. Sounds like dealers still are being hard-a**ed about the pricing, which I just don't get. Every dealership I've visited has X5's on the lot, and they can obviously trade to get the one you want. Part of the problem in Houston--and it is a problem from what I can tell--is that 3 of the 4 area dealerships are owned by the same company, Momentum/Advantage. They basically have established a mini-monopoly which I frankly don't appreciate BMWNA allowing in the first place.

    What do you guys think about trying to get dealerships in nearby cities--say Austin, San Antonio and Dallas--in on the competition? Maybe fax/call sales managers there too and let the Houston Monolith know it needs to compete? Cuz I sure don't mind a road-trip to bring one home!! My big concern about this is that 1) you get out of town and they try to change the numbers on you and/or 2) the Monolith here refuses to provide free service loaner.

    Thanks -
    Tim in Houston, TX
  • steverstever Viva Las CrucesPosts: 41,009
    You may want to try Blast Fax Car Buying. You might get a great deal, and your negotiations will be in writing. Better yet, substitute "email" for "fax."

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  • nyccarguynyccarguy Stamford, CTPosts: 7,692
    I don't know if a blast fax or blast email will work for buying a BMW X5. If you lurk on any board here on TH, you'll realize that Houston is probably one of the worst places in the US to buy a car (along with DFW, Chicago, NoCal, & sometimes SoCal). A few TH members have bought their BMWs outside of Metropolitan areas in TX like Gary Shelton BMW (I think that's nthe name of the dealership) in Tyler, Texas (I don't know how far this is from you). You will run the risk of not getting a loaner car from the Momentum/Advantage dealer if you bring the car in for service there and bought it out of town.

    If you're going to buy out of town, then why make a few phone calls and send a few emails to dealerships here in the NY Metro Area (Especially NJ). Many are getting at least $1200 off sticker and maybe more. It is worth a shot!

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  • nyccarguynyccarguy Stamford, CTPosts: 7,692
    You might also want to try dealerships in Beaumont, TX & Temple, TX.

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  • timtx01timtx01 Posts: 11
    Nyccarguy - thanks for the reminder that there are also BMW dealerships in smaller towns. Bryan is only 90mins away as is Beaumont. I'll add them to the list of dealers to contact.

    I'm curious though - can anyone else who's dealt with the Momentum/Advantage monolith in Houston pls share their experience(s) on this board? I don't understand why BMWNA has allowed the group to get this stranglehold over the local market by controlling 3 of the cities 4 dealers. Momentum/Advantage BMW does not appear to have good customer service either before or after the sale from what I can tell, and since they don't have any competition it's pretty easy to tell why!!! I bought my VW and Volvo from them and they were fine--but that's probably because they have lots of competition in Houston from other dealerships on those brands, unlike with the BMW marque.

    Thanks all -
    Tim
  • nyccarguynyccarguy Stamford, CTPosts: 7,692
    You might get a better answer on the 3 series board. There's a poster there "seiwvrig" who I believe purchased his 325i (via European Delivery) from one of the Momentum/Advantage dealers in Houston.

    As frustrated as you seem to be, you do live in a big city (Houston) where there is an abundance of wealth (oil tycoons, computer geeks, & enron execs;) and the dealership wants to make the most money it can. I don't agree with it, but I understand it.

    Obviously you're shopping for a Mid $40-$50K SUV and you're not going to have to take out a second mortgage on your house or get a second job to pay for this (or make payments). If the dealers 90 miles away are going to give you a stellar deal, then go there. Otherwise you might just want to bite your upper lip and take the $500 or $1000 off MSRP that Momentum/Advantage offers you. Just think about your alternatives: Taking your car an hour and a half away for service or not having a loaner car and bumming a ride to the dealership, to work, back to the dealership.

    It is frustrating. Try and work a little more with Momentum/Advantage. Talk with the sales manager and see if he'll give you $1000 or $1500 off sticker. There is still plenty of profit in the sale of the X5 at that price. Go in towards the end of the day, near the end of the month.

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  • rickroverrickrover Posts: 602
    You don't have to be in a big city to experience this. I'm in Orando with one BMW dealer - they have the same take it or leave it attitude since they are the only BMW show in town. I did get about $1,500 off my X5 without a whole lot of heartburn. Anything above that I didn't feel was worth the effort, they weren't budging and I like the service loaner program - they really hold you hostage with the service loaner issue.
  • smarty2smarty2 Posts: 6
    Was 3.0 shopping and finally found very good prices (1900 off sticker) at two local dealerships. As fate would have it I was just about to order a new 3.0 with options(no nav) and I stumbled into a pre-owned 4.4 that had just been traded in that day for the big sedan.It was fully loaded sport,prm.sound ect.(in fact the only option it doesnt have is the nav.)Only 11kmiles ,only 10mths in service and certified for the extra warranty. It was also the exact color and interior I would have ordered on a new one( alpine white, sand with dark wood trim)I bought it after checking it's service record for $48,000.You can get a good deal if you just keep looking.I am thrilled with this car and will share info on my local dealerships with anyone who wants to know.I'm in the N.Va.,D.C&Md. area
  • westlawestla Posts: 1
    Any recent data points from the gallery on going rates for a purchase of a new 3.0 with options in the LA area (west LA preferably)?
  • raybearraybear Posts: 1,776
    Any discount is a good one. Try getting to the dealers' fleet or internet managers and offer $1500 off MSRP on the options you are looking for. Someone may bite on that.
  • I bought an X5 back in 01/01 and I bought my wife a T&C Lxi in 12/00 -- car pricing is strictly supply vs. demand. I basically went with a email blast on the T&C, lots of dealers bidding and rebidding...price kept getting lower. Finally got down to 1 dealer with exactly what she wanted at a heckuva price. Buying the X5 was night/day different. There are 3 dealers to choose from in the Denver area and email blasting was near useless. Q: Why didn't they care if I took my business elsewhere? A: The X5 was/is so hot that for every customer who walks away there's 2 more lined up to buy. Most dealers will receive fewer X5s than they can sell, so (from their perspective) why sell it cheap?

    Great deals? From what I've seen over the last few years the best deals are concentrated in the northeast. Even then if you really press someone with a "great deal" there's always a catch...loaded up on options (dealer installed), financed thru dealer, low-balled trade-in, 5 spd sitting on lot, etc., etc. I got $500 off (internet price) which is nothing compared to what I spent!

    Best time to buy: Christmas. Every drive by a dealership last 2 weeks of December? Salesmen standing around, lots void of customers. And if it were me I'd forget about an '02 and wait for the '03. I understand they're going with Dakota leather (currently Montana leather) and DVD-based Nav. Good luck!
  • steverstever Viva Las CrucesPosts: 41,009
    Timtx01, I take it all back ;-)

    Good luck in your search; sounds like you're really going to need it.

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  • timtx01timtx01 Posts: 11
    Hi greenlntrn:
    Your X5 buying experience is similar to what I encountered when I went shopping for one late last year as well. Which is why I bought a different car instead!

    I'm not sure blast-faxing will yield much either, but I'm trying it anyway. One dealership here in Houston has already called 3 times, and Momentum had at least 10-12 unsold when I did a quick drive-by count. The salesperson at Advantage, their sister dealership, admitted to me that the car has cooled a bit (esp now that Enron, Dynegy, Reliant and Williams are all melting down here in Houston!). Interestingly, the Advantage person also freely admitted that the Momentum dealership is arrogant and that the folks there have an attitude like they work in the "Taj Mahal"!

    So anyway, I'm convinced that just sticking to my guns and being a harda** right back with these guys will yield something. And if not, hey, I've still got a new Passat that I enjoy driving! I'll keep you all updated!
    Tim
  • legran22legran22 Posts: 6
    I ran into the same brick wall at the Houston area BMW dealers but finally got a little relief after extended negotiations with Momentum, at closing time the last day of the month. I am told the problem is lack of production on the 4.4 engines. If I wanted a 3.0, it was an easier delivery. How much of that is hot air, I dunno. I ended up ordering one the first part of May and it is supposed to be in this week sometime. I didn't even know there was a dealer in Beaumont.
  • stoole1stoole1 Posts: 8
    My apologies for this not being about the X5, but I see nowhere else to post this question.
    Does anyone know when the X3 will be available? Some of the auto publications suggest that it will be available in 2003. I called the sales manager of my local dealer and he said that it would not be available for 5 yrs.
  • timtx01timtx01 Posts: 11
    Hi Legran -
    Well I already found a dealer in north Texas who sounds motivated on the X5. We'll see if it pans out, it's early days.

    But my return to Momentum with this information got me a snippy email from their internet sales manager saying that bidding for business on the phone/email is "not the way I sell BMWs". Not sure what he's there for then as he is the "internet" sales manager. Frankly I've been shocked at the arrogance from these guys. In contrast, the dealer from north Tex was very courteous, perfectly willing to discuss numbers.

    My understanding was that the 4.4 is easy to come by as people are reluctant to spend so much extra $$ on it when the 3.0 is plenty peppy. That's awesome that yours will be in soon!

    Best -
    Tim
  • timtx01timtx01 Posts: 11
    Hey Legran -
    I forgot to ask - what price did Momentum finally do on your vehicle - was your trade fair and how was your X5 equipped? IE, how motivated were they on the last day of the month?
    Thx -
    Tim
  • steverstever Viva Las CrucesPosts: 41,009
    The BMW X3 board got archived due to a lack of posts. I'll try to unfreeze it tomorrow (my tools aren't working in there tonight) and maybe you can "reseed" the discussion. Meanwhile there were a few links posted in there that may help.

    The Buzz says "sometime next year."

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  • Looking at a 4.4 x5 purchase but want to see if I should wait until the '03. Has anyone heard of any changes? I was hoping the 745i engine might become standard. Anyone have thoughts on sport vs. non-sport pkg? I test drove a used v8 sport pkg car and it felt a little harsh compared to my 540 sport, but I loved those 19" wheels.
  • nyccarguynyccarguy Stamford, CTPosts: 7,692
    You drive a 540 Sport and want to get an X5? What is this world coming to?

    The Valvetronic 4.5L V8 from the 745 will not make its way into the X5 next year (at least not with 325 HP). The 540i & X5 4.4 I believe have been updated and now pump out 290hp as opposed to 282hp in years past.

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  • Smarty2--I am in DC area and am considering a new X5 3.0 or used 4.4. What dealers do you recommend?
  • steverstever Viva Las CrucesPosts: 41,009
    The X3 board is up and running again.

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