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Snow/Ice winter tires



  • shiposhipo Posts: 9,152
    You'd be surprised the difference in traction on "black ice" between say all-season tires and winter tires. The winter rubber compounds do in fact manage to find some grip where other tires do not; this is of course all relative.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 44,408
    I was watching a video from TIRERACK on this subject since you brought up this interesting point. I think we were really on the same page but I was thinking of high speed traction on ice which of course is pretty impossible to ask of any tire.

    But the TIRERACK video definitely shows that at slow speeds (10 mph) some tires perform quite well on ice (they used an ice rink). So I could see why picking the right tire makes a difference under those conditions.


  • xwesxxwesx Fairbanks, AlaskaPosts: 8,391
    Yeah, at high speed, no tire will grip well on "black ice," but some will still perform far and away better than the rest. There are three tires (all studless) with which I have had experience that do an excellent job on black ice: Goodyear Ultra Grip Ice, Bridgestone Blizzak, and Michelin X-Ice.

    That said, chains are still better.
  • Toyo Observes are the only studless snow tire I have had experience with, and it's been all good. AWD on the Subaru doesn't hurt, either.

    Suburban does just fine on Toyo Open Country AT's with added siping.

    I gave up studs years ago, and haven't missed them.
  • kyfdxkyfdx Posts: 27,652
    Put the winter tires on two cars, yesterday...

    Did them ourselves, for the first time.. I have a friend with a floor jack, a torque wrench and a pickup truck (to haul two sets down to his house).. That's all we needed...

    Good practice for the teenager!

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  • I used to own a subaru outback and fitted them with Nokian all weather tires. There were great in winter (better than previous all seasons) and used all year round without any sign of significant wear when I sold the car 5 years later. I bought a 2nd hand Tribeca last spring and it came with all seasons and a set of spare supposedly winter tires - cooper discover m+s with a 3 peaked snowflake logo.
    I am really confused because m+s is kind of an all season rating and the snowflake logo means that it has winter tire specification.
    The question I have is could I consider this cooper tire an all weather tire and keep it all year round? I remember the nokian AW previously mentioned bearing the snowflake logo too? Thanks!
  • capriracercapriracer Somewhere in the USPosts: 793
    First, any tire that has the Mountain/Snowflake symbol will also have the M*S designation. However, it is extremely unusual for tires that have the Mountain/Snowflake symbol to be suitable for year round usage.

    Second, Cooper Discoverer M+S is indeed a winter tire and what Cooper says about it on their web site doesn't mention year round use. But to be sure, You should call Cooper and ask.
  • Hi,

    I have a set of Nokian Hakkapeliita LT's on my Toyota Rav 4. I would highly recommend them to anyone. They are my first set of winter tires so I don't have much to compare them to but paired with the Rav's traction control system I'll say that this is a totally different driving experience than with the all seasons that came with the vehicle. I posted a review on them here. There are a few other winter tire reviews as well.
  • xwesxxwesx Fairbanks, AlaskaPosts: 8,391
    It is stunning how much of an improvement winter tires can make, isn't it?
  • ggeeooggeeoo Posts: 94
    My daughter you went to SU in upstate NY last winter told me due to extreme Ice and Snow driving around town was treacherous but snow chains were not allowed. I got on the Net and found the Nokian [I live in 92657] Empire Tires had 9 of the Nokian WR I bought four paid for
    them to be installed. My daughter that winter was the only one of her friends that could keep rolling on the ice and snow. When it came to time for me to replace my 20K old on my TDI
    I called Tyresbyweb and had four Entyres shipped via FEDEX to me hear in Newport Beach.
    I noticed that my TDI Jetta VW that gets 50 MPG on the highway now gets 63 MPG on the highway WOW. I also do not pick up nails like my wife's Hankooks . Recently we got a big
    rain storm all the roads get very slick with the oil on them the Entyres worked great with this
    what more can you ask for. :)
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