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Hyundai Genesis Sedan 2009+

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  • patpat Posts: 10,421
    You are giving us a convincing case (if we needed convincing!) that a thorough test drive is always in order to be sure the car we are purchasing suits our individual wants and needs.

    I think it's time we accepted that there are differing viewpoints here, all valid, none "wrong". Let's acknowledge that we have different expectations and experiences and accept that we're not going to change each others' minds on those things.

    With all of that in mind, it's time to move on.
  • LASHAWNLASHAWN Posts: 303
    Pat, you're absolutely right. There are some of us who like the suspension and some of us don't, whatever the case may be just drop it. I'm sure someone at HMA has read these posts and others and are working on a way to correct, so everyone talking about it is kinda pointless; unless you people just wanna vent and get it off you chest. I say if you keep having an issue than there are two things you can do about it. 1) Deal with it and get over it. 2) Get another vehicle. Problem solved.
  • JohnNWJohnNW Posts: 25
    If you don';t want to hear about it or discuss it then don't read it or respond - I'm just replying to others on this topic - so take the above advice and "get over it"
  • kourykoury Posts: 225
    HERE HERE!!! I've had enough of the same tired rant every day. Either sell it or accept it, one or the other!! For most of us, we're very satisfied with our Genny's. Sure there are some minor tweaks but certainly not enough to spoil an overall great ride!
  • allmet33allmet33 Posts: 3,557
    I really don't have a problem with someone posting about an issue they have with any aspect of the car. The only time it becomes suspicious is when the description of the problem is overly dramatized and blown out of proportion. Like Lashawn said, there are those that completely enjoy the way the Genesis rides and it seems there are those that don't. The only thing I can ask is...how did this issue pop up mysteriously AFTER the car was purchased??? I mean...a thorough test drive would bring the issue to light and if it truly was an issue, why would you buy the car only to complain about it after the fact? If you did test drive the Genesis and you didn't like how it rode, fine...post your test drive findings and keep it moving. I think the issue is that there are some that post with what seems like an agenda as opposed to just being someone posting about their experience...good, bad or indifferent.

    It's just funny how there are a few folks that complain about the ride in various forums (and believe me, the number of those actually complaining isn't that great), but every auto publication that has tested either or both versions of the Genesis have all given it good reviews on the ride. The concensus seems to be that it rides good, but it certainly isn't a BMW in terms of driving dynamic. If anything, more than one write up has compared the ride of the Genesis to that of an Infiniti/Lexus.

    Again, I don't have a problem with someone posting about something they don't like about the car (everyone's entitled), but don't make it seem like everyone has to go along with your thinking or that we're crazy for not agreeing with you. If you had a "bad" experience during your test drive and you ended up not buying the car because of it...then what more do you really have to say?
  • I appreciate your advice, and your right, you would never expect this problem in a rear wheel drive car. The first thing that was checked by the dealer was tire pressure, tire condition (new tires) and wheel alignment. The dealer service department test drove the car less then a mile on surface streets and reported it to be normal. When I questioned the service advisor about the tendency of the car to drift on crowned sloped surfaces, he said, at this time there is no fix for that problem. It's a very annoying problem and can be fatiging on long trips. Another problem is the excessive steering wheel chatter that is transmitted from the front suspension. With all that being said, the Genisis is a fine car, as long as your on a level road.
  • tonycdtonycd Posts: 223
    When a Mercury Milan has better ride dynamics and less "business" transferred through the seats you know you have an issue.

    This issue is more a tribute to the Milan than a whack at any competitor. The Fusion triplets have long been noted for having outstanding suspensions with excellent ride-handling balance, as well as very good value for money. While $30,000 should buy you even better, lots of other pricey cars (cough*LexusES*cough) don't pass this particular test either.
  • allmet33allmet33 Posts: 3,557
    Honestly, I don't know what to say. Phsyics would indicate if you're driving along a sloped surface, gravity will pull you down the slope. I have noticed it when I drive my Azera...there are some roads that seem to have a steeper slope from the middle to the outer edge than some. The ones that have a very minor slope don't really seem to affect the tracking of the car, however...the steeper ones do. I wish I could say it was characteristic of only Hyundai vehicles, but it seems to affect the Saturn Outlook as well.

    When you mention steering wheel chatter being transmitted from the front suspension...what is the existing situation that causes it? I only ask because when I tested a Genesis, I purposely drove over pot holes, sunken manhole covers and various undulations in the roads to see if the car would lose it's composure it didn't. The steering wheel remained firm in my hands, it never yanked one way or the other and the car never felt like it was on the verge of being out of control.
  • tonycdtonycd Posts: 223
    I'm wondering if this particular owner would be happier if the suspension were deliberately aligned somewhat away from factory specs to have more self-straightening tendency. A quick googling suggests that both toe-in and caster angles have an influence on this. Maybe a good independent shop can help.
  • allmet33allmet33 Posts: 3,557
    Maybe, but then if you're setting the alignment to be better suited for driving on "crowned" roads, what would happen on flat ones? :confuse:
  • LASHAWNLASHAWN Posts: 303
    Why reply to what they say if your're gonna say the same thing? Like I said earlier "get over it" find something else to talk about, if you could because the suspension seems to be the only thing about the Genesis that's a flaw; in most people's eyes anyway.
  • bobadbobad Posts: 1,587
    Maybe, but then if you're setting the alignment to be better suited for driving on "crowned" roads, what would happen on flat ones?

    Nothing.

    Just a tad more steering effort and a tad more tire wear.
  • patpat Posts: 10,421
    On the other hand, there is something to be said for ignoring the posts that do not provide value for you.

    To all, we need to stop making this personal. That's not helpful to anyone. Read what you want, skip what you find repetitive and move on beyond the subjects you find worn out.

    Thank you! :)
  • joe97joe97 Posts: 2,248
    Oh the anticipation :)
  • I read with interest the previous posts made by the gentleman who owned the genesis for 2 weeks and is trading it in. No, he is not crazy and I doubt he has an agenda as I ALMOST made the same mistake of buying one. Having owned an Azera which was a pleasant if somewhat floaty ride, I test drove several genesis models..........after early impressions that were positive, I too also realized that something was wrong with the cars suspension/handling. If you lean your head back into the headrest, you will become a human bobblehead...........enough to make me glad I didn't make an overpriced mistake with questionable resale value.
    That jittery ride makes my new Lincoln MKZ look like a wise choice indeed.....and it is not without its negatives either!
  • kourykoury Posts: 225
    If you lean your head back into the headrest, you will become a human bobblehead...........enough to make me glad I didn't make an overpriced mistake with questionable resale value.
    That jittery ride makes my new Lincoln MKZ look like a wise choice indeed.....and it is not without its negatives either!


    Not the safest way to drive ;) Please provide more facts - what kind of driving were you doing, what type of roads, etc?

    And good luck with the MKZ. I loved my Lincoln LS until about the 5th year when all the little things kept going wrong. And costing me thousands of dollars. Don't get me wrong, it was a dream to drive when things weren't going wrong. You get what you pay for :sick:
  • allmet33allmet33 Posts: 3,557
    Too bad the MKZ doesn't come with a V-8. Also, the MKZ doesn't compare with the Genesis in any way, shape or form. I would say it would compare more to the Azera, but it barely stacks up against the Sonata.

    The MKS would be a more direct comparison with the Genesis and even still...no V-8 available for that either. Talk about an overpriced mistake. 40-large on a Lincoln and can't even get a V-8 under the hood. :confuse:
  • JohnNWJohnNW Posts: 25
    The MKS has it's virtues and limitations (it felt underpowered and low mpg IMO). However, it rode very nicely. And he's right I can hardly ever lean my head on the headrest in the Genny without feeling like a bobblehead. Plus look at the passenger seat when you are riding alone sometime - shakes like a rattle more often than not.
  • allmet33allmet33 Posts: 3,557
    The biggest limitation on the MKS...price.

    Who leans their head back against the headrest while driving???

    I've test driven the Genesis and certainly didn't have the experience that some have mentioned in this forum. I'm not discounting it at all. The only question I could really ask is exactly what type of surfaces are being driven on that bring forth the type of experience that some are posting on. Personally, I would love to see video or pictures. I drove over pot holes, uneven roads and the car never lost its poise. One poster made it seem that he actually went 4-wheeling in his Genesis with the way he described the problem.

    Even the road tests that have been on the Speed Channel have shown the car handling quite nicely. There's one segment where the driver takes a corner and the wheels actually are on the washboard border of the track and he never even mentions anything about it...and this would be at speeds bettering that of city driving.
  • kourykoury Posts: 225
    Who leans their head back against the headrest while driving???

    LOL!!! FWIW, just today someone posted that exact comment on the Genesis Owner's forum, and it wasn't him. He's just re-iterating what that other complainer said. Makes you wonder, doesn't it....
  • allmet33allmet33 Posts: 3,557
    Wow...that's crazy. I mean...I do rest my head against the headrest, but in most cases...the car is either parked or stopped. The only other time would be when I'm stretching on a long ride or something like that.

    I'm just really curious at to how these people drive to be honest.
  • LASHAWNLASHAWN Posts: 303
    I believe these people are idiots to be honest with you. I mean enough already, time to move on. The car has a subpar suspension setup to some people, but not all think so. I personally like the way the car rides. If some of you people don't like the ride of the car than don't buy it. If you already bought one and you don't like the ride of it now, shame on you for not doing your homework; live with it or get rid of it. Simple.
  • allmet33allmet33 Posts: 3,557
    I would have to agree...I think there were a good many folks that purchased without much of a test drive. Some complained that they weren't afforded anything more than a cruise around the block. If that were the case, I wouldn't have bought from that salesperson or that store if that were the case. If I'm serious about purchasing and they know it...they won't have a problem with me logging in some driving time to get a full feel for the car (they let me take the Azera for a spin for 2.5 hours).

    I can't imagine anyone actually buying the car if the suspension is as bad as they claim it to be.
  • kourykoury Posts: 225
    If you already bought one and you don't like the ride of it now, shame on you for not doing your homework; live with it or get rid of it. Simple.

    Couldn't agree more. I believe he's now in the stage where he has nothing better to do than complain. Go over to the Geneis Owner's forum...there's at least 5-10 posts a day complaining about the same thing over and over. It's comical.
  • sandy25sandy25 Posts: 65
    There's a suspension thread on the Genesis Owners site that has approx 190 posts. Of the negative ones, 70% were from TWO posters, What does that tell you?
  • joe97joe97 Posts: 2,248
    Certainly if the the driver's experience was like a human bobblehead, then this major flaw would have been pointed out a long long time ago; surely lots of people, and I do mean lots, have tested this car, including the industry critics, and no such issue popped up.

    I've personally driven both the Genesis V6 and V8, and in various different trims - no such issue in any of the cars tested. The suspension and handling were both more than adequate for the segment where it belongs (luxury mid-to-large sedan).

    By the way, Genesis > Lincoln Taurus > Lincoln Fusion (cough cough MKS/MKZ ;) ) any day of the week, twice on Sunday :)
  • patpat Posts: 10,421
    People, it is a head restraint, not a head rest, and its purpose is to prevent whiplash in the event of an accident that might cause same. "Resting" one's head on it while driving is neither what it is designed for nor a very good idea...

    On another note, let's not go into the name-calling territory, please. Your cooperation is much appreciated!
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