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Hyundai Genesis Sedan 2009+

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  • prosource1prosource1 Posts: 234
    The 'Genesis' will most like be built in the worlds largest plant in Ulsan, South Korea.
    I read recently that Hyundai is already planning on 5 liter variants of the 4.6 and direct injection and twin turbo applications that will make the Genesis over 500hp from the plant! Not taking that serious? Noone is taking the Genesis as a serious contender to the BMW or Lexus but neither did they take Lexus serious either. By the way, for anyone who thinks this could not measure up, Hyundai has already spent 5 years on the development of this and they know it has to meet or exceed expectations..that is why they keep changing and revising this thing. Also, Hyundai has the money to throw into this because its their 'halo' car that will catapault them to new heights of brand recognition and sales.
    This one car could change everything when it arrives.
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Crossroads of America: I70 & I75Posts: 17,702
    I don't think you read my context correctly.

    I'm interested because if it's built here, it will sell even better. If not built in US, if its content is parts built here, i.e., a motor, and assembled elsewhere, that's better for them.

    I don't know where Hyundai has plants and builds what currently that might become Genesis production plants. That's what I was asking.

    I didn't ask about clothing, TVs, shoes, etc, since that's off topic.

    As someone who shopped Sonatas recently, I find this an interesting upscale for Hyundai. The only item I really didn't like on the Sonata was the lower profile, larger diameter tires. I want the old-fashioned 16-inch 60 profile or taller tires for what I consider a better ride. Yes, I know I'm out-of-fashion on that one. Other than that the Sonata could get my dollar. The Azera might even make it as a LeSabre replacement.

    As Toyota loudly advertises its US plants building cars, I believe the Hyundai has an even better chance of giving Honda/Toyota a run if the car is built in US or has a good content. I am in favor of Hyundai making a competitive car for competition with the cache the other two have built.

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  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    Sorry for that, I was verbally attacked by a Ford representative yesterday at NYIAS as to the fact that I drive a Nissan and that I'm hurting American workers etc and that Ford is supporting them etc. It irritated me that she couldn't see the fact that I'm going to buy whatever is the best product for my money. Hence the clothing reference because it's the same analogy of buying them from overseas due to the price/value being significantly higher than domestically produced goods.

    -mike
  • snakeweaselsnakeweasel a Certified Edmunds Poster.Posts: 11,563
    In that case, the Genesis won't be anywhere close to LS460 in terms of performance and quality.

    It is possible to come close, and even exceed, performance and quality for less money. Cost does not always equate to performance and quality.

    But then again we are discussing a car that hasn't been produced yet. When we can touch and feel the real thing we can talk more on this.

    There are three types of people in this world. Those who are good at math and those who are not.

  • snakeweaselsnakeweasel a Certified Edmunds Poster.Posts: 11,563
    Naysayers are claiming 'noone is going to buy a luxury Hyundai' because it doesn't have the prestige factor.

    I don't think Hyundai needs the prestige factor, its going to battle it out on price. There is a significant number of people who will buy it simply because it offers everything the other luxury cars offer (we are presuming) at a much lower cost. It has worked for Hyundai in the past.

    There are three types of people in this world. Those who are good at math and those who are not.

  • prosource1prosource1 Posts: 234
    Fords and Chev's built in Mexico, Honda's and Toyota's built in Canada, Hyundais and Benz's built in Alabama, BMW's built in South Carolina. When are people going to realize that we are living in a global community whose borders are being torn down daily. Either you accept this and learn to grow with it or you'll be like the record industry who lost 20% of its market last year, and even more this year, because they refuse to accept that music lovers wanted to download songs and not buy their whole albums. Welcome to an ever-changing Global community that doesn't care about your traditions or allegiances. Wake-up!
  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    Thanks prosource, at least someone is sane on the global economy thing! :)

    -mike
  • bumpybumpy Posts: 4,435
    I don't know where Hyundai has plants and builds what currently that might become Genesis production plants.

    The Genesis (or whatever Hyundai decides to call the production version) will be built in Korea since it requires an entirely new production line, and being the halo car they would want to keep the engineering and production close at hand. There is some talk of setting up an Azera production line at the Hyundai plant in Alabama around 2009 (they build Sonatas and Santa Fes now).
  • prosource1prosource1 Posts: 234
    I wanted to add one thing about the Hyundai offering the Genesis:

    -Hyundai should have offered the Genesis at next years Detroit or NY Auto show which would have sent shockwaves thru their competitors. Now its not a secret and...

    -I'm guessing that Hyundai's competitors will not sit by and let an upstart like Hyundai trump them. That is a fact and is the basis for competition.

    -I'm guessing that Lexus, Acura and others will seek to offer an equivalent or better car for at least an equivalent price

    -I know that the consumer is going to be able to get more car for less money once Hyundai seeks to enter this market.
  • prosource1prosource1 Posts: 234
    Do you all think Hyundai will take an outfitted variant of the Veracruz, the I30 or Velostar, Azera, Genesis concept and develop a luxury line out of them. Hyundai has a number of concepts in the pipeline and has the production capability with new plants coming on-line to be able to put together a luxury bran with a new name. What do you think? Imagine how much of a shake up it would be if Hyundai showed up in 2008 with a 4 vehicle line-up that was $10-$25k cheaper than anything Lexus or others offered. Hyundai is really going after Toyota/Lexus so I would bet you would see a vehicle line-up to mimic that brand:

    Lexus Offering Hyundai Offering

    IS250/350 Variant of I30, Velostar comcept or C'eed
    GS 350 Azera variant w/new suspension;sh'tmetal
    RX 350 Veracruz variant
    Lexus LS 460 Hyundai I70 (Genesis Concept)
  • rockyleerockylee Posts: 14,011
    This is the best forum on edmunds, right now. Lots of good posts.

    Well I do guys think it's a good idea to try to buy american, but when Ford, is building cars like they built my Detroit Lions team for the last 5 or 6 decades the consumers get tired. GM, has pushed the brand I love "Cadillac" to prices that people making my middle class wages can't afford them even if they save.

    Ya know what imidazol97, that surprises me you were shopping a Sonata. :surprise: Well the same can be said about me with looking at this Genesis. I'm getting pissed that the big 3 are bringing a lot of their new cars from Australia, or like the new Saturns will be built in Mexico, like the Astra.

    Perhaps maybe you and I should be like everyone else and say screw it and buy what's best for our wallet as cars are getting way to expensive even though they have cut production costs by more than 60% in the last decade to decade and a half with out sourcing. I do try to buy american made clothes, shoes, etc, but cars are going up faster than my raises. The Genesis, will be on my radar when it comes out and so will the EVO-X. The Caddy STS will be out of reach cuz GM, hasn't ran any specials on the V8's as far as leases go. Ford, at least does this time to time to move these expensive cars. My GM, discount will not eat enough lease cost to make one afordable. I can lease a Navigator Limited for the same money $150-$200 a month cheaper as an example than a STS and I will save $7K on a STS with my discount. I checked into it on a 05' when they came out. It was $780 a month with my GM, discount. I assume my 09' CTS-V will run around $60K so that is out of the question probably also and knowing GM, I will have to wait months for them to offer GM employee elgible people a discount like they did when the first CTS-V came out I was looking into. That's when I bought the 1 yr. old 02' Seville STS. ;)

    So just maybe a Genesis, will fit the bill. We will see. I do like iluv's Lancer, thus I will have to check out those EVO's also. :shades:

    Rocky
  • nycdc911nycdc911 Posts: 27
    Hyundai needs a new luxury division called Genesis badly. Current Hyundai dealerships are still upset Hyundai isn't making $8000 cars for their poor customers. They have no clue about how to sell a luxury car and their customers can't afford it. Just the name Hyundai is one of the worst, hard to pronounce, and offputting names for a company in the English language. Hyundai owners are going to have to say "hyundai" a lot in their daily life, many if not most people don't even know how to pronounce it and wouldn't want to if they could. And Equus?? Genesis is an ideal name and isn't a made up cheesy word like Acura, Infiniti, or Lexus.

    Seriously, Kia sounds cool but if I was Hyundai I would consider changing the name of the whole brand just like Datsun became Nissan years ago. And tell whoever's planning on selling Ssangyong cars from Korea to stop smoking crack, one S might be doable but 2?? Hyundai dealers claim they can't even give away Azeras now that Hyundai stopped advertising it. Nobody's going to want to buy a Hyundai costing $35-40,000 with options. I know I wouldn't want it because of the hard to pronounce and unpleasant "Hyundai" name alone.

    Instead of calling it the Hyundai Genesis, it should be the first car in a new luxury Genesis division and be called simply the Genesis M luxury performance sedan. The different engines would be distinguished as the Genesis M 4.6 or Genesis M 3.8. The number denoting engine size wouldn't be officially part of the name much like the Audi A4 3.2 or 1.8 or whatever is still called just the A4. The Genesis name would be centered between the taillights, "M" would be above the left taillight, and 4.6 above the right taillight. A lot of people would consider buying an AWD loaded Genesis M 4.6 since it's basically an LS460 or next generation M45 for less than the price of an ES350 or G35. Reshape the M's Camry-like grill and come up with daring designs in the future, hire some Italians.

    Future Genesis models could include the S for a smallish sports sedan to compete against ES350, G35, BMW 3, etc. An even smaller R sedan might not be necessary but could compete against the IS250, BMW 3, Audi A, etc. A large L sedan could compete against Lexus 600hL, BMW 760iL, Mercedes S class, etc. G coupe and C convertible hardtop and maybe B hardtop roadster could appeal to sports luxury buyers.

    A Genesis X crossover SUV should be sold immediately alongside M as a rebadged and slightly restyled Veracruz with additional luxury features like real wood trim, navigation system, etc. Potentially a real offroading trucklike SUV could be sold as a V class or they could use V as the name for the 2010 Portico large minivan/SUV.
  • rockyleerockylee Posts: 14,011
    They need to build up Kia's rep to Toyota, level of reputation and make Hyundai, the luxury brand like Lexus IMHO. I think the 2 brand idea that Honda and Toyota has works best in this global economy. ;)

    Rocky
  • rockyleerockylee Posts: 14,011
    So you find it hard to say "Hyundai" :confuse: It comes off my tongue quite easy. :P

    Rocky
  • rockyleerockylee Posts: 14,011
    So what you are really saying is these guys are S.O.L. ;)

    Rocky
  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    Yeah let's dumb things down because people can't pronounce Hyundai. Perhaps we should pass a law to not use words over 4 letters long too? haaaaa That's the funniest thing I've ever seen.

    -mike

    PS: Pics coming up.
  • rockyleerockylee Posts: 14,011
    ROTFLMAO :D

    Paisan, maybe this helps explain why america, is behind the rest of the world in education. Well K-12 anyways. ;)

    I'm looking forward to those pics :)

    Rocky
  • rockyleerockylee Posts: 14,011
    Mike,

    Thanx for the pic. That's a good one. G35 from the front and the rear pics I've saw say BMW Bangle like Butt ;)

    Rocky
  • nycdc911nycdc911 Posts: 27
    Potentially thinking about changing the Hyundai name wasn't my main point, creating a new luxury division called Genesis is the major issue. If you were a luxury car buyer would you rather own a Hyundai knowing their cheap reputation or a new Genesis luxury sedan?
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