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Hyundai Genesis Sedan 2009+

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  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    I'm a trader on wall street and rub elbows with the folks buying luxury cars. BMW/MB, guess what? They won't buy it period, no matter what name you put under it. Heck Infiniti and Lexus BARELY are accepted at the country clubs these days. I think Hyundai would go a lot further w/o creating a phony "luxury" company and just continue to give people good value for their money, which in this case would be upscale ammenties and looks at a rock bottom price. That's what attracted folks to Hyundai in the first place and what they should continue to be rooted in.

    I'd be first in line to buy one of these suckers. Heck I'd signup for an AWD Sonata if it came out!

    -mike
  • gpkgpk Posts: 38
    I think that this car is going to benefit all consumers. Hyundai is sending a message and in the end its a win win situation for all consumers. I am a Honda fan I have owned 4 and usually get a lot of life out of them. What I see is that Hyundai forces T/H/N and the rest to really pump out the best product that they can. This might force honda to redo the Acura RL and come out with a V-8/10. Everyone see's whats happening to the big 3 so if T/H/N do not want to walk down the american auto industry path they will take notice. This car is BIG for the entire auto industry(except the European's). Like I said this is BIG and VERY GOOD for all of us... :)
  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    I wonder when honda will figure things out about RWD and V8s, I remember reading where they basically have no desire to put out a V8 or a RWD car and pretty much feel that FWD and V6 is the be-all end all. Although there is the s2000 and NSX which aren't in that area.

    -mike
  • ontopontop Posts: 279
    Yup - change the name. Hyundai has a stigma. And the name looks weird too.

    How about Masters? Or Callaway? Or Grand Slam?
  • joe97joe97 Posts: 2,248
    Rocky, I like this concept. But I don't think it will be anywhere close to Camry in terms of MSRP. As of now, Sonata is not much cheaper than Camry anyway.

    Let's say, Sonata is 5%~10% cheaper than Camry. Let Genesis be 5%~10% cheaper than the V8 RWD Toyota (LS460), subtract another 10% for not using an up-market brand name. That will still be at least $50,000 for the starting MSRP.


    1) It's not meant to compete with the Camry. As noted, the Sonata is.

    2) The BH (codename, no official name has been given yet) will likely start under $30K in the US, with the V8 version estimated at low-to-mid 30s range.

    3) Feature-wise, what you see is what you get. I've been told everything listed in the PR would be available on the production model next year (e.g. Nav, Xenon). Also, Hyundai will likely become to first non-luxury nameplate to offer HD radio.

    4) Good news for the power fans - the V8 will put out a lot more than 300 horses, Hyundai has always estimated conservatively. Upwards of 340 or more is possibly a slightly precise estimate.

    5) Few changes in the front and the rear, otherwise, this is the car coming to the showroom next year.

    6) MSRP and comparably speaking, the Sonata is a good 10%-20% cheaper, depending on trims, packages and options.
  • drfilldrfill Posts: 2,484
    If the Genesis is supposed to start "well under" $30k (V6 version), what happens to Axera? Is this Azera's replacement?

    If the V6 Genesis is in the high $20's, the V8 would be $5-7k more? Around 33-35k?

    I don't have a problem with Hyundai building a luxury marque. If they are meeting/exceeding sales goals for the former XG350/Azera, then go for it.

    Genesis is a better name for a company than a car.

    They will DEFINITELY need another vehicle to start a marque with. I'd build a coupe. ;)

    Personally, I'd get people comfortable with considering Hyundai as a 1st-rate full-line marque, which most people haven't realized yet. I don't see what the rush is? :confuse:

    But now might be the time to pounce! Acura continues to struggle, and Infiniti is working on a very slow upswing. Lincoln is all but dead. Audi isn't setting the world on fire, after countless opportunities.

    I think they're getting ahead of themselves, and should wait until the Fall of 2010, at the earliest.

    And I agree, producing a couple of studly models for the NAIAS, and announcing in the Fall a new brand will emerge is definitely the way to do this, as Lexus did.

    If Lexus writes a book, you should tear out a page or two, no? :blush:

    DrFill
  • rockyleerockylee Posts: 14,011
    I 100 % agree with your take. I, like you care about the product. A badge is for people who are so insecure they need somebody's name tag taped to their [non-permissible content removed] to give them a self confidence boost. :confuse:

    Rocky
  • rockyleerockylee Posts: 14,011
    Very good for the consumer, with a career not in the Japanese/Domestic automobile industry. ;)

    Rocky
  • rockyleerockylee Posts: 14,011
    Genesis is sort like going from GS to LS in Lexus. The Azera, for now will be the GS, and the Genesis, will be the LS. I don't know exactly what the future plans are for Hyundai, but the Genesis, appears to be a hit. I'd like to see Hyundai, spice up the Azera, by going with a AWD system. The way it looks I feel confident these people know what they are doing. ;)

    Rocky
  • gpkgpk Posts: 38
    I wonder when honda will figure things out about RWD and V8s

    Rumor has it that the next Acura RL will have both. Honda has been famous for doing more with less but I digress. No I feel that Hyundai is good for everyone involved in the auto industry. Will the Genesis be the end all? Thats irrelevant. The point is just the car itself forces Honda into RWD v-8 scene and for me that is a good thing.
    Content wise that is good for all consumers. As far as the domestics I wonder what if anything can save them? You kinda have to stop shooting yourself in the foot like GM and Ford are famous for. Chrysler is at last rites along with mitsubishi. I remember reading in The Wall Street Journal that Toyota/Honda/Hyundai/Nissan RD departments are huge compared to GM/F/C. That says a lot right there as well.
    You cannot remain competitive in the auto industry by sitting still. The only segment where they try to compete is in huge SUV's and Full size truck segment. Which is losing them market share and not really helping them at all.

    In the town where I live the amount of Hyundai and Kia's on the road is constantly increasing.
  • snakeweaselsnakeweasel a Certified Edmunds Poster.Posts: 11,563
    I really don't think Hyundai is currently interested in building a new marque. Hyundai is building a name for building a high quality, high content car for less and its working for them. I feel that they will continue with this strategy. Building a new luxury marque will go against that strategy as one builds the name as a status symbol.

    If Hyundai creates a luxury marque it won't be for some time.

    There are three types of people in this world. Those who are good at math and those who are not.

  • rockyleerockylee Posts: 14,011
    I as you know would 100% agree with your perspective. :blush:

    I think in a decade or so the Hyundai, name could be mentioned in the same breath as Lexus, and Kia, could build a reputation to be mentioned in the same breath as Toyota. ;)

    Rocky
  • snakeweaselsnakeweasel a Certified Edmunds Poster.Posts: 11,563
    Are you saying that there will be a slow shift of Hyundai going more and more upscale and Kia becoming more and more like Hyundai. That in the future Kia will be all low and mid level cars like Hyundai is now and Hyundai would be high end cars?

    Possible.

    There are three types of people in this world. Those who are good at math and those who are not.

  • rockyleerockylee Posts: 14,011
    Well sort of. I still think Kia, will make very inexpensive cars on the cheap but at the same time they will stretch into where Hyundai, is now (someday)

    I think Hyundai, will go slightly more up market in the future starting with the Genesis. I still think it will be a very long time before we see a $55K+ Hyundai

    Rocky
  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    isn't Kia owned by Hyundai? It would make sense that Kia would go against Toyota and Hyundai go against Lexus down the road.

    -mike
  • bumpybumpy Posts: 4,435
    I think that's exactly what they're going to do: bring in more high-end models and leave the inexpensive entry-level stuff to Kia.
  • bumpybumpy Posts: 4,435
    If the Genesis is supposed to start "well under" $30k (V6 version), what happens to Axera? Is this Azera's replacement?

    The Azera is Hyundai's FWD flagship at the moment, but the Genesis will bump it down a notch in the pecking order. The Azera is slated to get the Sonata 3.3L V6 as an option (the 3.8L V6 is the only current engine), which would put in solidly in the mid-$20s range, while the top-end Azera would cost about as much as the base V6 Genesis in the $28-29k neighborhood.
  • rockyleerockylee Posts: 14,011
    Yep !!!!! I'd be willing to place a bet on it that is what happens. ;)

    Rocky
  • rockyleerockylee Posts: 14,011
    I didn't know the Azera, is going to get the Sonata's 3.3L V6 ? When is that going to happen ?

    Rocky
  • bumpybumpy Posts: 4,435
    2008 MY, I believe. The Azera is already sold with that engine in most of the rest of the world.
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