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  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTPosts: 9,456

    The Fusion seems to have settled in at around 24mpg for the winter. In warmer weather, it averaged 28. I do leave it home if there is going to be more than a dusting of snow.

  • cskicski West Springfield, VAPosts: 1,058

    Not willing to risk your baby....I can relate to that.

  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,629

    42 mpg from a gas-powered, non-hybrid midsized sedan... sounds pretty good to me!

    http://www.autoblog.com/2014/01/13/volkswagen-passat-detroit-2014/

  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTPosts: 9,456
    edited January 14

    @cski said: Not willing to risk your baby....I can relate to that.

    I still have my old bomber Explorer, so I usually drive that in the winter. Luckily, when it was cold a week+ ago, it wasn't snowing at the same time, so I drove the Fusion.

  • cskicski West Springfield, VAPosts: 1,058

    @backy said: 42 mpg from a gas-powered, non-hybrid midsized sedan... sounds pretty good to me!

    http://www.autoblog.com/2014/01/13/volkswagen-passat-detroit-2014/

    That is the most garish shade of blue I have ever seen. Yikes. I am really, really not trying to start an argument backy, but that thing is fugly.

  • Kirstie@EdmundsKirstie@Edmunds Posts: 10,677

    @b25nut I'm going to pretend I didn't just see that comment and read it as a slight aimed at the skills of female drivers. I've been driving for 30 years and have been female for a lot longer, and not only have I never been involved in an accident for which I was at fault, I've never been tempted to depart my lane into one occupied by another vehicle.

    Need help navigating? kirstie_h@edmunds.com - or send a private message by clicking on my name.

  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,629

    Yeah, that's really dumb of VW to offer the Passat in only that blue color, isn't it?

    :)

    @cski said: That is the most garish shade of blue I have ever seen. Yikes. I am really, really not trying to start an argument backy, but that thing is fugly.

  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTPosts: 9,456

    @cski said: That is the most garish shade of blue I have ever seen. Yikes. I am really, really not trying to start an argument backy, but that thing is fugly.

    Just wait until you see a Deep Impact Blue Fusion. You'll probably pass out, although it's not a Passat. :D

  • cskicski West Springfield, VAPosts: 1,058

    @backy said: Yeah, that's really dumb of VW to offer the Passat in only that blue color, isn't it?

    :)

    It is just a publicity color to push their "Blue Motion" line of fuel efficient vehicles of course.

  • benjaminhbenjaminh Posts: 1,623

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    @cski said: The Accord Sport is the best car value on the market, period. It is not just me that thinks that. Car and Drivers' ten best issue did as well....

    The Accord Sport is a good deal, but I think that the Accord EX is maybe just as good.

    Here's a comparison: Accord Sport 6 MT $23,715 msrp

    Accord EX 6 MT $24,880

    This is a difference of $1165. With the EX you gain: a moonroof, smart entry, push button start, heated mirrors, lockable glove box, 6 speaker stereo, Honda Lanewatch side camera.

    But, and this will be a big deal to cksi, you loose the huge wheels and tires of the Sport, and you also lose the dual exhaust.

    From my point of view, however, although the wheels and dual exhaust do look great, that are not really necessary. And if you keep the car for a long time, it'll be very pricey to get replacement tires since iirc, those 235/45R1894V tires cost something like $300 each at retail. And because those wheels are so big, the turning circle on the Sport, at 39.6, is larger than for the rest of the Accords, which is a more nimble 38.1.

    I'm tempted by the Sport, but the EX might be more my cup of tea. And really, the LX is a great deal at $21,955. It has all the essentially goodness of the Accord for $1760 less than the Sport and $2925 less than the EX.

    But since I still mostly love my 2008 Accord EXL navi 5 mt, I'm planning on sticking with it for another 2-4 years before I get my next Accord....

  • stickguystickguy Posts: 13,602

    I agree that the sport looks sharp, but like you, I want the features on the EX more. And I don't like the real low profile tires either, due to cost, and the fact that the roads around here are 1 giant pothole, and I want as much sidewall as I can get!

    2013 Acura RDX (wife's), 2007 Volvo S40 (when daughter lets me see it), 2000 Acura TL (formerly son's, now mine again), and new Jetta SE (son's first new car on his own dime!)

  • brian125brian125 New york / S.C. myrtle beachPosts: 2,039

    ben

    Dont wait to long the next gen Accord in 4 years will be able to fly. your dual exhaust will be replaced with a propella

    2013 Genesis 5.0 R-spec, 2013 Accord EXL V-6, 2012 BMW x-5, 2012 ML350

  • dudleyrdudleyr Posts: 3,407

    Couple things left out that the EX Accord has but the Sport does not.

    Turn signals in the mirrors. Rear seat heat and A/C vents in the center console Additional lighting - backlighting for more of the switches. Tighter turning radius - another disadvantage of the larger tires.

  • benjaminhbenjaminh Posts: 1,623

    @dudleyr said: Couple things left out that the EX Accord has but the Sport does not.

    Turn signals in the mirrors. Rear seat heat and A/C vents in the center console Additional lighting - backlighting for more of the switches. Tighter turning radius - another disadvantage of the larger tires.

    I'd forgotten about the rear ac vents. Those are really useful for the folks in back. We have them in our 2013 Accord EXL navi, and I like them a lot.

  • benjaminhbenjaminh Posts: 1,623

    @brian125 said: ben

    Dont wait to long the next gen Accord in 4 years will be able to fly. your dual exhaust will be replaced with a propella

    Yeah, part of me is wondering if I can wait for the 2018 Accord, which might well have a "turbo propella" lol--but I don't think I want to wait that long. But maybe.

    When I got my 2008 with the navi, it was a little bit of a gamble, because I didn't know if the voice recognition would work. But it mostly does work for me. I think I must have an unusually clear voice or something, since I know for some people it just doesn't work enough to be useful.

    So, on the one hand, I like a manual transmission for the sporty driving and fast acceleration. On the other hand, I love comfort and gadgets and am kind of addicted to to top of the line experience in my 2008 exl navi with the manual. I special ordered it too, and so there are probably only a dozen or so cars exactly like it in the whole country. I got nice replacement tires, Michel Pilots, just a year ago, and so those probably have another 4 years of life in them. I'm at 67,000 miles and so about 30,000 miles away from the major 100k service. I'm thinking that before the tires go again, and before the tune up is needed, I'll trade her in, but it'll be tough to let her go. I'm really fond of the "White Whale," as we call her. My wife's car, the 2013 Accord exl navi in Basque Red Pearl we call "Tabasco." I do like my wife cvt for the mpg. And the rest of the car is a step beyond mine in almost every way.

  • dudleyrdudleyr Posts: 3,407

    What major tuneup? The only tuneup I did on my 2007 was replace the irridium plugs at 130k (and they still looked almost new). 170k miles right now and the only non maintenance item was an o2 sensor at 120k miles. Front brakes are still original as is the clutch. If you really like the top end stick you may need to keep it a while as they are getting rare.

  • ahightowerahightower DFWPosts: 431
    edited January 16

    One would expect the EX to be better equipped for more money. One has to draw the line somewhere. The LX really does have everything necessary, and more. Power everything, bluetooth, backup camera. Those are the essentials, so it seems. A solid package for a very good price. But what sold me on the Sport were its upgrades vs the LX, for not a whole lot of money ($1720): -dual exhaust (good for 4 whole hp, woot) -18-inch wheels (good design, nice stance) -leather-wrapped steering wheel and shift knob (who wants to grab a plastic steering wheel every day? EX does not have this.) -upgraded cloth upholstery (vs LX and EX) -10-way power adjustment (incl lumbar - HUGE for me, EX does not have this either, you have to go EX-L) -decklid spoiler (purely cosmetic, but what can I say, I haven't given up on trying to look cool yet...) -fog lights (not that I really need them, just that I absolutely despise blanks where fog lights are supposed to go, advertising that I got the "cheap" one) -sport suspension (I've read this somewhere, but not seeing it specifically called out on the Honda website)

    At any rate, it's not just cosmetics. As for the larger wheels, I find the ride perfectly comfortable and quiet. I didn't compare to an LX test drive, but it's like a dang Lexus compared to my old Mazda3. I know replacement tires will be more expensive, but what can I say, they just look great. Vanity got me again. Turning radius has not been a problem, as I don't live in a tiny parking garage or an autocross course.

    As for the EX's perceived benefits: -moonroof - tall guy, hot climate, why give up headroom and let in more sun? -stereo upgrade - would be nice, but I'm a talk radio/podcast nerd. Music sound quality from the base stereo is acceptable from digital sources (FM sucks) -Push-button start/smart entry. Nifty. Have had it on many rental cars, and won't deny its convenience. -Lane watch... see prior discussion. I guess it's cool, but I haven't missed its absence.

    Frankly, I'd have the Sport over the EX even if they were the exact same price.

    Moral of the story: Honda is a bit aggravating with their few trim levels. There are a couple things I wish I could have selected a la carte. But then you end up nickel and dimed to death as with Toyota and, to a lesser extent, Ford. So, you choose the trim that suits your needs, preferences, budget, and to each his own. I like to think of mine as the "driver's Accord".

    And ya know, the EX-L is not such a stretch, and with that you get heated leather, LEDs, touchscreen, memory seats, etc... Ooh, ooh, maybe the new Hybrid!... Again, we must all draw the line somewhere. Even the guy with the Touring had to decide he wasn't going to get an Acura...

    @benjaminh said: .

  • ahightowerahightower DFWPosts: 431

    EX-L Navi manual - you really do have something of a unicorn there!

    @benjaminh said:

  • ahightowerahightower DFWPosts: 431

    Which switches exactly? I did not know this.

    @dudleyr said: Couple things left out that the EX Accord has but the Sport does not.

    Turn signals in the mirrors. Rear seat heat and A/C vents in the center console Additional lighting - backlighting for more of the switches. Tighter turning radius - another disadvantage of the larger tires.

  • benjaminhbenjaminh Posts: 1,623
    edited January 16

    @dudleyr said: What major tuneup? The only tuneup I did on my 2007 was replace the irridium plugs at 130k (and they still looked almost new). 170k miles right now and the only non maintenance item was an o2 sensor at 120k miles. Front brakes are still original as is the clutch. If you really like the top end stick you may need to keep it a while as they are getting rare.

    Wow. So those iridium spark plugs can often go beyond 100k. Is iridium more durable than platinum for this application?

    I don't do my own work, and so I'm not sure what the dealer would charge for a 100k service, but maybe 1k? If I go that route I should maybe shop around and/or not get everything done that they are calling for.

    I do like my 2008, but my wife's 2013 is giving me some car envy. Her Accord is quieter and more luxurious, and has a lot of features mine doesn't have. I do notice that the steering of my 08, with the hydraulic, feels a little heavier and more direct, in a good way. But, frankly, the acceleration of my 190hp vtec isn't quite as fast as I would like. The new Accord is a little lighter and, more importantly, the direct injected earth dreams engine has more torque. Some 0-60 tests of the new manual Accords have shown sub 7 second times, which is probably 2 seconds faster than I can do in my 08. I know I'll never match a magazine's time, but even 7.5 would be nice for merging on the freeway with the uphill ramp that I take every day after work.

    The EX does have a lot of stuff, and is about 5k less than the EXL navi iirc. I don't actually need leather seats, and slightly prefer cloth. I actually worry that the leather seats of my 08 will crack at some point. I'd better condition em again soon. And with a smart phone, maybe the navi is less needed these days. On the other hand, the CVT my wife has will probably beat the mpg of the 6 mt, and so maybe I should just save up for that. Decisions, decisions. My car still has plenty of life in it, and so it's just a fun time waster to consider what I might do some day.

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