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Midsize Sedans 2.0



  • cskicski West Springfield, VAPosts: 1,053
    edited February 3

    @nyccarguy said: cski

    I watched the introduction of the new 200 on Chrysler's Website. They really seem to have put "all hands on deck" for the 200. I hope they are incredibly successful. High quality interior materials, a sport edition, available V6, 9 speed automatic, available fully disconnecting AWD system, sharp styling... How did the exterior look in person?

    It looked great. It caught my attention from across the room. Very swoopy with the front end reminding me of the Lincoln MK-Z. The back end was really modern looking with a substantial built in spoiler, lighted reflector area above the integrated dual exhaust, and it just flowed really well. Very sporty, and the design made it look like a car costing thousands more. I think it will be a hit if Chrysler gets the driving dynamics and the interior assembly quality up to par with the rest of the field. I also noticed the giant infotainment screen, which is probably the same unit in many other current Chrysler platforms. Will America buy this one in droves? Or stay away like the Dart? Only time (and good reviews) will tell.

    I also noticed the new Chevy SS. If you are looking for an understated hot-rod sport sedan this car is for you. It is the same size as a mid size sedan, looking very similar to the Malibu (almost to a fault). Interior and exterior assembly quality was excellent, and when they fired one up downstairs it attracted men like a moth to a flame. At $45k, it seems to be a great buy for a car reaching 60 in 4.6 seconds.

    The new Mustang was really pretty too. They had a red EcoBoost 2.3 T on display, and while the design is evolutionary rather than revolutionary, Ford cut a lot of weight and finally added an IRS and very much improved interior materials, and MFT is now offered in a Mustang the first time. I think I would enjoy the 2.3 EB with 305 HP. It should get good FE and has plenty of power. Fords is gonna sell at ton of them, with big hopes for sales overseas.

    Again though, I found the most attractive sedan to be the Impala 3.6 LTZ. It just "did it" for me. Why? Because I tend to like cars that I can actually afford, fit my whole family in comfort, and that is cost effective to maintain.

  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,622

    The 200 is basically just a larger Dart - which isn't a bad thing. Much improved over the old one.

    The Chevy SS will sell just as well as the Pontiac GTO and G8 - which is to say, not very well. It suffers from the same problem as the GTO and G8 - dowdy looks despite good performance.

    Rumor has it they only brought over the Holden rebadge to throw a bone to the Aussies to make up for other transgressions and it will be a very limited run.

  • cskicski West Springfield, VAPosts: 1,053
    edited February 3

    Right. It will be a limited production so they can generate an exclusivity buzz. "We aren't making many of them, so get on down here to your local Chevy dealer fast"! (especially if you are gainfully employed homeowner male between 40 and 60 with cash to burn). LOL

  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTPosts: 9,451

    Dropped off the Fusion to get the rear bumper repaired today. Got an Edge Limited as a loaner. It's set up inside just like the Explorer I had before the Fusion, so I had everything set up the way I like it in 2 minutes. There's even free SAT radio for the next week or so, so I'm listening to that.It's ok in the snow.

  • benjaminhbenjaminh Posts: 1,623
    edited February 4

    Midsize sales for Jan. Honda said that some of its best markets were hard hit by the cold, but still it's a bit of a surprise to see the Accord in 4th place last month....I know some production was hit by the weather, but even with that I think the midsize cars are beginning to build up on the lots. Deals should be good. I sense a possible blowout this Spring?

    Camry 23,332

    Altima 22,515

    Fusion 20,717

    Accord 20,604

    Malibu 11,822

    200 10,912

    Optima 9,979

    Sonata 9,815

    Passat 6,236

    Avenger 4,795

    Mazda6 3,172

  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,622

    Wow - you would think bad weather would affect all brands the same. Definitely an anomaly.

  • benjaminhbenjaminh Posts: 1,623

    As you know, I'm an Accord guy, but it sounds to me like the Honda folks were spinning. Still, the top 4 are all pretty close. The big news is that there's less than 1000 units between Camry and Altima. In December, the Accord took the lead for 1 month iirc. Could Fusion, Altima, or Accord take it in Feb? Unlikely, but possible imho.

  • stickguystickguy Posts: 13,585

    couple thoughts on this. one is that Honda sells a ton in the NE, and our weather in january was horrid, so no surprise that sales up here stunk. And yeah, I am guessing that by around March dealers are going to be storing cars on the roof to make room for incoming stock, and there will be serious deals to be found.

    One thing I do know from keeping an eye on the ads lately (being in the market), Toyota and Nissan (along with Hyundai) were cheap selling the heck out of their cars in January, especially lease offers on the Camry. I think if you walked into the dealer to use the bathroom, they just gave you a car to take home.

    2013 Acura RDX (wife's), 2007 Volvo S40 (when daughter lets me see it), 2000 Acura TL (formerly son's, now mine again), and new Jetta SE (son's first new car on his own dime!)

  • suydamsuydam Posts: 883

    Accords are made in Ohio and Ohio had record snow and cold in January, over 40 inches in Toledo, for example. All car sales are down due to the awful weather. Honda doesn't do much in the way of fleet sales so not to surprising their numbers suffered.

  • b25nutb25nut Templeton, CAPosts: 193

    Look for the Camry to take a tumble in February. Toyota has halted all sales of cars with heated seats: I think the Fusion will take the number one slot for this month.

  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,622

    I expect Accord to rebound so doubtful Fusion will be #1.

  • cskicski West Springfield, VAPosts: 1,053

    I agree on the weather deal. It isn't often we get single digit cold, and with the kids either out of school or two hours late opening, parents have no time, and no desire; to go out in the cold to buy a car. I don't even want to go out to MY car! :)

  • cskicski West Springfield, VAPosts: 1,053

    @akirby said: I expect Accord to rebound so doubtful Fusion will be #1.

    After sitting in a Few Fusions at the auto-show the only thing I did not care for was the center stack clicky- push buttons. The rest was great and very modern.

  • ab348ab348 Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, CanadaPosts: 1,543
    edited February 5

    The delta between 4th and 5th place is interesting, almost a 50% drop. Clearly there are the big 4 midsizers and then the rest of the bunch.

    2011 Buick Regal Turbo, 1968 Oldsmobile Cutlass S Holiday Coupe

  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,628

    Except if you add up the sales by automaker, it's closer, e.g. Hyundai/Kia selling almost 20,000 for the month, and Chrysler nearly 15,000--which is amazing given how the 200 and Avenger are the worst mid-sizers in the bunch. If Chrysler can sell 15,000 of those turkeys, they should do very well with the new 200.

    So I'd say it's the Big 6 and Everyone Else.

  • benjaminhbenjaminh Posts: 1,623

    from Auto news

    Detroit 3 shrug off rising output, stockpiles after January chill Pricing discipline to be tested, analysts warn

    ....Now, after Ford added a second factory of Fusion production late last year, the challenge will be maintaining prices that Ford said average almost $24,000 a car. Fusion sales fell 8 percent last month.

    Challenge coming

    "The big challenge won't be until the first big automaker really breaks ranks on pricing and we approach a market top and we see how people deal with it," Wakefield said. "Dealing with growing 5 percent or 10 percent a year is a lot different than dealing with a reduction."

    Scraping for sales in a slow market with bloated inventories could set off a price war, AutoNation's Jackson warned.

    "High inventories, market-share ambitions, slower-growing market: The tinder is there this year," he said in an interview last month. "The last four years haven't been a real test for the industry. This year will be a real test."

  • brian125brian125 New york / S.C. myrtle beachPosts: 2,020

    Here in the Northeast NYC, we have another snowstorm today and a big one to follow this Sunday into monday. The Cars wont be moving anytime soon. This will mean more incentive and rebates and lower prices.. This is truly good news for the consumer.

    2013 Genesis 5.0 R-spec, 2013 Accord EXL V-6, 2012 BMW x-5, 2012 ML350

  • nyccarguynyccarguy Stamford, CTPosts: 7,111


    **Here in the Northeast NYC, we have another snowstorm today and a big one to follow this Sunday into Monday **

    This has me thinking ahead to when my lease is up. Living in CT and commuting to the Bronx every day really puts a value on AWD/4WD for me. This AM if you didn't have AWD/4WD or snow tires you weren't getting very far. With a new 2015 coming out, there will be big discounts and great deals to be had on leftover 2014 Legacys.

    2001 Honda Prelude Type SH/ 2011 BMW 328xi / 2011 Honda Pilot EX-L w/ Navigation

  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTPosts: 9,451

    Since my Fusion is in the body shop, I drove the Edge loaner today. It was really good in the snow. They are considered to be somewhat overweight, but it really pays off on a day like today. Even on slippery uphill starts, it didn't slip.

  • brian125brian125 New york / S.C. myrtle beachPosts: 2,020

    My Genesis R-spec with rwd is useless in this weather just going to let it sit in the garage another month til i could get it down to my house in Myrtle beach. Thank god for the awd/ 4wd suv's in this weather. Amazing how many people with cars take a chance and drive in this kind of weather . Not to smart.


    A left over 2014 legacy would be a excellent choice with 2015 models comming out in the fall....Let me know when you are going to buy. I know several dealerships that i dealt with.

    2013 Genesis 5.0 R-spec, 2013 Accord EXL V-6, 2012 BMW x-5, 2012 ML350

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