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  • jd10013jd10013 Posts: 779
    thats your age showing :P
  • elroy5elroy5 Posts: 3,741
    I like the leather seats, but I could also do without the "power". I think the non-power seats are quicker, and easier to move. I have to stand outside the car, and move the seat back before getting in. With the power seat, I have to stand there for quite a while, waiting for the seat to move. The manual seat would be quicker for me. I don't think there are leather seats, that are not also power seats. That's life, I guess.
  • goodegggoodegg Posts: 905
    XM radio, don't need it.

    I wouldn't buy another car without it. Check out the channel lineup one day and you'll see at least 10 stations you can't live without. National coverage. Live sports events from the PGA Tour to NASCAR and all in between. Mega news and weather for any city/region, anytime. No morning BS talk "shows". Etc. Etc.

    About $12 a month.

    Once you go XM, you'll never go back. Kinda like cable vs. rabbit ears, only no commercials.
  • corkscrewcorkscrew Posts: 254
    I have to agree with elroy5. All these gadgets rob power from getting to the wheels and create a windfall for someone to fix when they go south.
    Granted the advanced technology wasn't there in the 50s and 60s BUT..............
    There is no better feeling on this planet than smoking the rear wheels on a hemi-cuda, 442, or big block GM. :)
  • maxamillion1maxamillion1 Posts: 1,467
    But I thought Honda had the whole reliability thing on lock?
    So chances are the gadgets won't go south.

    No matter how you guys feel about it, the Accord is in the most competitive class of vehicles sold in this country. It has got to pack the features of the competition b/c folks will notice.

    I think what we have seen is simply a short list of what will be avaialble..everything isn't being shown yet...hopefully.
  • elroy5elroy5 Posts: 3,741
    No morning BS talk "shows". Etc. Etc.

    That's one of the things I like about my favorite FM station (Walton & Johnson in the morning), and it doesn't cost a dime. Nope, no XM needed here.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,769
    Your post reminded me that the Honda press release didn't say anything about the availability of ESC on the 2008 Accord I4s. I wonder if that will change for 2008, or if it will still be only on the V6s?
  • csandstecsandste Posts: 1,866
    My wife's finalists were the Optima and the Fusion/Milan. I do agree with you that the four cylinder in the Optima seemed quite a bit more sophisticated, funny because we found the same basic engine in the Sebring to be a lot rougher.

    The other kicker was interior quality, she got the LX with appearance group and add-on leather for $16,100. The best thing about the appearance group is the electroluminescent lighting, some of the other features are strangely crippled-- only car I've ever seen without a MPG indicator on its DIC-- hopefully they'll correct that for 08. Our enthusiasm for the Optima would have applied only to the four, the six doesn't give you much more in power plus you have a timing belt to fool with.

    With the optional 17 inch Michelins, the Optima is close in handling to the Fusion/Milan. The better NVH and nicer interior plus lower price trump any advantage in that department.
  • corkscrewcorkscrew Posts: 254
    Honda does have reliability on lock, I have heard the accord referred to as " bulletproof". But when something does go south, it costs a fortune to fix. I had a 5 year old pickup and the plastic fan in front of the condenser broke and it cost $500 to fix it. We bought an Accord a month later. Our 2nd car is a 14 year old Integra RS, only A/C and an AM-FM radio. Except for normal maintenance, only two issues. New brakes and a Main Relay.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,769
    The I4 engines in the Sebring and Optima/Sonata really aren't the same. They have some common design elements, but each manufacturer in the Hyundai/DCX/Mitsubishi alliance builds its own variant of the basic design. That could account for why the engine sounds different in the Sebring than the Optima. Or maybe the Optima's engine bay is better insulated?
  • jd10013jd10013 Posts: 779
    I thouht honda fixed everything for free?
  • goodegggoodegg Posts: 905
    Nope, no XM needed here.

    Do you even have cable TV?
  • corkscrewcorkscrew Posts: 254
    Ask me eight years from now.
  • elroy5elroy5 Posts: 3,741
    Your post reminded me that the Honda press release didn't say anything about the availability of ESC on the 2008 Accord I4s. I wonder if that will change for 2008, or if it will still be only on the V6s?

    They will all have ESC by the time I buy a new car again. My 03 should not need replacing before 2012, when it will be mandated. I will probably get either the diesel or V6 again anyway.

    Do you even have cable TV?

    Yes, but just the basic channels. The NFL and NCAA FB are on cable. Go Saints, Go Tigers.
  • lilengineerboylilengineerboy Posts: 4,116
    I wouldn't buy another car without it. Check out the channel lineup one day and you'll see at least 10 stations you can't live without. National coverage. Live sports events from the PGA Tour to NASCAR and all in between. Mega news and weather for any city/region, anytime. No morning BS talk "shows". Etc. Etc.

    About $12 a month.

    Once you go XM, you'll never go back. Kinda like cable vs. rabbit ears, only no commercials.


    I actually dislike XM radio. I enjoy local content, I like listening to non-ClearChannel stations where the DJs are actially from the town where the station originates. If I wanted to listen to the same 10 songs all the way across the country I can just find the appropriately categorized ClearChannel station.
    Supposedly the HDFM has similar sound quality to XM or Sirus and is free. It also opens up "sideband" on the FM dial giving listeners much more access to programming.
    For my needs, I would much much rather have an integrated iPod controller than XM or a hard drive system in the car.
  • benderofbowsbenderofbows Posts: 544
    Last week I posted a video and a description of the techniques I am using for city driving to try and test the maximum city MPG the car can obtain (07 LX manual).

    Now half of the tank of fuel is gone, and the results are impressive enough that I'm going to continue for the second half tank to get the full results.

    240+ miles on half a tank, mostly city... When the gauge is on "E" I'm usually around 360-400 miles and it takes 13-14 gallons to fill. I could see over 34 MPG for this tank.

    Not that I'm a fuel ecomonomy freak, that was just another limit I wanted to test (after acceleration and handling, lol).
  • goodegggoodegg Posts: 905
    I actually dislike XM radio. I enjoy local content

    XM doesn't replace FM, just adds to it. FM sucks anyway. How many more times do we gotta hear Golden Earring or BTO before we slit our wrists?

    Supposedly the HDFM has similar sound quality to XM or Sirus and is free.

    You get free commercials too. You don't get XM for the sound quality. Its for the content which blows away AM/FM.

    I would much much rather have an integrated iPod controller than XM or a hard drive system in the car

    You can have both. Once you listen to a song on your IPod, how many more times do you want to hear it that hour, or day, or week etc? Again, XM, with its HUGE content, is unbeatable. You can get an XM kit for $35.

    Can you tell I love mine?
  • captain2captain2 Posts: 3,971
    The differences you're referring to are only important to a small handful of enthusiasts, most of whom wouldn't buy a Fusion anyway
    See, we finally agree on something. The only problem I have with this statement, is WHY? Why can't somebody who buys a Fusion also be part of your 'handful of enthusiasts'?
    Would suggest to you, that even the 6, hampered by similiar drivetrain limitations, caters almost specifically to the enthusiast. Almost all the cars in this group have something to 'hang its hat on'. Examples: Honda a silky smooth 4 and V6, gas mileage, resale values, probable reliablility, along with a ride that is a good compromise between sporting and soft, the Camry pretty much the same except with a generally 'softer' ride, the Sonata, price and a really decent V6 for cheaper than most other 4s, the Altima a legendary V6, spunky 4, high resales and the CVT, the 6, handling and price etc. At which point we come to the Fusion and I guess all we can talk about is how cheap (or subjectively pretty) they are and the gas consumption qualities of silly AWD?
    And yes the Fusion should remain less of a car, unless Ford can figure out a way to get some improved version of the 3.5 in it. By the time Ford gets around to its rumored 240hp 3.0, it will likely still be at least 40-50hp (and a few mpgs) short of what the big boys are doing by then.
  • lilengineerboylilengineerboy Posts: 4,116
    You can have both. Once you listen to a song on your IPod, how many more times do you want to hear it that hour, or day, or week etc? Again, XM, with its HUGE content, is unbeatable. You can get an XM kit for $35.

    Yeah, I think I just have things I would rather do with the money. I'm glad you like it, but it doesn't add any value for me.
  • yankeryanker Posts: 156
    I have a n 03 Accord with 50000. Under warranty honda replaced the catalytic converter (it smelled) the back brakes and the radio. I have no fault to find with them. The stupid oxygen sensor had to replaced after warranty and that was a pain in the wallet. Overall with new tires YOKOHAMA) the car is a dream to drive 29mpg on expressway Moral don't buy the first year model if there are some major changes
  • goodegggoodegg Posts: 905
    No car is perfect. Even the top manufacturers somehow have a few lemons coming off the line.

    The rear brakes eh? Those should last a LONG time. Is yours a 4cyl or a 6?
  • jd10013jd10013 Posts: 779
    Once again, I thought honda didn't charge for after warranty repairs?
  • auraownerauraowner Posts: 7
    After 25 years of owning nothing but Accords (78, 86, 98) I bought an Aura XR last month and I love it. I tested Camry, Accord, Mazda 6, Fusion, and Aura. The Aura was head and shoulders above all the other choices. It was tough to disabuse myself of my anti-American car bias, but it wasn't a tough decision once I compared all the cars.

    I love the power, comfort, ride, quiet interior, styling (interior and exterior) and the value. Terrific buying experience and $2250 in incentives. If you had told me that I would buy a Saturn a week before I did, I would have laughed. I set out to buy a Camry or another Accord, but forced myself to look at more than those cars and I'm glad I did. Camry and Accord are great cars. No brainer purchases. I found the Aura to be a better car and a better value. Time will tell if that was a good decision.

    If it weren't for having to replace the catalytic converter at 95k miles and the transmission at 142k miles on my 98 Accord, I probably wouldn't have looked at other cars.
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,740
    What I meant was the number of enthusiasts who care whether the V6 has 221 hp or 260 and who would consider buying a Fusion is relatively small and wouldn't make a big difference in overall sales. What the Fusion needs is a nicer interior and better fuel mileage and more features. The Camry doesn't sell 400k units a year to enthusiasts.

    In addition to the rumored 240 hp 3.0 there is a twin turbo 2.5L putting out 260 hp but hopefully getting better fuel mileage than comparable V6s. Of course if that happens you'll just find some other excuse to not like the Fusion.
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    Sarcasm noted (multiple times now). We get it, jd.
  • oldcemoldcem Posts: 309
    To a certain extent, I'm sure. However I think the low tech engines tolerate skimpy maintenance better. Over the years I've purchased other used vehicles that didn't die prematurely, but, they were all domestics - run of the mill Fords, Chevys, and Chryslers.

    Regards:
    OldCEM
  • elroy5elroy5 Posts: 3,741
    The Brilliance BS6 sounds like anything but. Well, Brilliance, no, but BS yes. Didn't someone on this forum say the Chinese were going to be formidable? Looks like even Chrysler could compete with these cars.
    http://www.caranddriver.com/previews/13310/first-drive-2007-brilliance-bs6-driving-impressions-and-issues-page2.html
  • jd10013jd10013 Posts: 779
    I won't do it anymore, just couldn't resist though. :P
  • jd10013jd10013 Posts: 779
    what did you like most about it? Or better yet, what ways did you find it superior to other cars you shopped for. what surprissed you the most?
  • lilengineerboylilengineerboy Posts: 4,116
    If it weren't for having to replace the catalytic converter at 95k miles and the transmission at 142k miles on my 98 Accord, I probably wouldn't have looked at other cars.

    Man tough crowd. In CA, the Cat is covered to over 100k by the emissions warranty, but a trans at 142k...man I don't know if you can get mad at the car for that, especially since it was an auto.
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