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  • elroy5elroy5 Posts: 3,741
    I think that same button also inflates a few things. ;)
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,746
    I think the main benefit of remote start is that you can start it from a distance, while you remain warm (or cool) inside. That could be a benefit for people who live in really cold or hot climates. It's something I can live without, even though it can get really cold (and really hot) where I live, but there's clearly a lot of people who like this feature, since there's quite a market for third-party remote car starters.
  • robertsmxrobertsmx Posts: 5,525
    Yep. And it starts with defeating an anti-theft feature that is now common in many cars (immobilizer).
  • drwilscdrwilsc Posts: 140
    I think the remote start is a really useful feature. I start my Aura XR from the inside of my office about 5 minutes before I am ready to leave for home. When I get to my car, it's toasty warm and ready to start driving immediately.
  • drwilscdrwilsc Posts: 140
    Yes, you do have to put the key in the ignition and turn in to the 'on' position before the car will drive.
  • robertsmxrobertsmx Posts: 5,525
    I hope you (or anybody else) don't do that when the car is parked inside the garage in the house. For me, get in and drive is the better idea. It takes a little over a half mile for my cars in cold weather to warm up when running and rolling, and less than that in warmer weather. Excessive idling is not only waste of fuel, it isn't good for engines in the long term (if that is a part of the plan with the ownership), and takes several minutes to get the same effect.
  • drwilscdrwilsc Posts: 140
    No, I don't do it in the garage. I noticed you live in Dallas, so I can't imagine cold weather starting is as much of an issue for you as it is for us folks in Ohio. I said 5 minutes but actually it's probably only 2 or 3 minutes.
  • robertsmxrobertsmx Posts: 5,525
    I have lived in Columbus (Ohio) and, better, in Minneapolis.
  • venus537venus537 Posts: 1,443
    Excessive idling is not only waste of fuel, it isn't good for engines in the long term

    Doesn't seem to be very environmentally friendly either. But I sure would use the feature when leaving from work as I live in Wisconsin.
  • drwilscdrwilsc Posts: 140
    Strange. Given your login name I can't help but be reminded of Robert Smith the football player who played for the Ohio State Buckeyes (Columbus), then the Minnesota Vikings (Minneapolis)... Also happy the Bucks beat Michigan...again.

    I had always heard that it was generally not good for your engine to start it up in the cold then start driving right away bofore the oil was warm and flowing.
  • He said, expletive deleted, I just paid $63000 for this new Jag and it doesn't do that. Shaking his head as he got in his beautiful Jag.

    I got in and chuckled to myself knowing he could have bought three Aura XR's for the price of his (Ford) British tin.


    Ah yes, but for $55.99, he too can have the advanced Saturn technology:
    Valiant Remote Car Starter
  • robertsmxrobertsmx Posts: 5,525
    On the contrary, Honda's recommendation on my 1998 Accord was to idle for no longer than 30s, as the car warms up faster. The one caution is to not be overly aggressive with throttle until the engine reaches operating temperature.

    So, a typical idle time for me has been 15-20s. May be longer if I had to scrape ice/snow.
  • urnewsurnews Posts: 668
    Who wants an Orange interior?

    Maybe a witch, ghost, goblin so it can be Halloween 365 days a year instead of just one. :)
  • On the contrary, Honda's recommendation on my 1998 Accord was to idle for no longer than 30s, as the car warms up faster. The one caution is to not be overly aggressive with throttle until the engine reaches operating temperature.

    I concur, you want to wait until the engine has oil pressure, which for a modern engine, is almost instantaneous. Then the vehicle should be driven conservatively until everything (oil, mostly) reaches operating temperature.
    A couple of other things as well - excessive idling is very hard on a motor and emissions systems. Idling leads to carbon build up in the cylinders and can hurt spark plug performance. Also, keeping the car in cold start makes the catalytic converter have to work harder.
    Oh, and lastly, when the engine is running and the car isn't moving, that is 0 mpg.
  • patpat Posts: 10,421
    Maybe a witch, ghost, goblin so it can be Halloween 365 days a year instead of just one.

    LOL! :P
  • Just because the engine starts and is running doesn't mean the security system is deactivated. You still have to unlock the door and put the key in the ignition and turn it to release the trans mission lock, steering lock and turn on the instrument panel.
    It does run the heater or A/C as set before the car was turned off.
  • robertsmxrobertsmx Posts: 5,525
    One can get remote start installed in virtually any car, and in cars like the Accord which come with engine immobilizer, the feature needs to be taken out. In other words, AFAIK, remote start and engine immobilizer are mutually exclusive.
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,723
    You don't "take out" the anti-theft system - you just store a previously programmed key (or just the electronics piece of the key) near the ignition. At least that's how most remote start systems get around it.
  • elroy5elroy5 Posts: 3,741
    If I lived in an area where cars are stolen often, I would not want to effectively disable the immobilizer system, just for the luxury of remote start. Seems like that would also affect the insurance rates.
  • robertsmxrobertsmx Posts: 5,525
    Engine immobilizer function is designed to identify the key in the slot to start the engine. On the contrary, remote start systems often (and should) have a security system built-in that ensures key is not in the slot when remote start is activated. Another security concern is around servicing. The service personnel needs to be aware of remote start feature (or service mode activate) to prevent accidental start while the car is being serviced (or even being looked at home).
  • drwilscdrwilsc Posts: 140
    I'm not aware that my insurance rates have been adversely affected by the remote start feature. If you have any actual doccumentation of this, I would be interested in seeing it.

    In fact, the National Insurance Crime Bureau cited the 1991 Honda Accord as the most frequently stolen car in the U.S. in 2005. No Saturns were on the top 10 list.
  • elroy5elroy5 Posts: 3,741
    So it's basically replacing one security system, with another. :confuse: And how do these systems prevent theft?
  • venus537venus537 Posts: 1,443
    In fact, the National Insurance Crime Bureau cited the 1991 Honda Accord as the most frequently stolen car in the U.S. in 2005. No Saturns were on the top 10 list.

    That's more of a reflection of Saturn's dismal sales numbers.
  • drwilscdrwilsc Posts: 140
    The Accord's arch-rival, the Camry, has outsold it over the past several years. Does that fact alone make the Camry a better car? If so, then why didn't you buy a Camry? If not, then I'm not sure where this argument fits in the conversation. 'The masses' aren't always right, like when the masses of Germany followed Hitler. I'm not going to pick a car just because it has good sales figures.
  • jeffyscottjeffyscott Posts: 3,855
    I'm not sure why it matters, but actually the 1993 Saturn SL comes in at #9 on the list.

    Interesting that all the most stolen cars are old, except for the 2004 Dodge Ram. The two Toyotas on the list are from the 1980s :surprise: .
  • drwilscdrwilsc Posts: 140
    I stand corrected... Guess maybe Saturn sales aren't so dismal.

    The point, though, is that I'm not really sure whether having a remote starter or adding one is really going to make it more likely that your car will be stolen. Professional thieves obviously go after popular makes of older cars so they can sell parts. If a professional thief really wants your car, he is going to get it regardless. If your car has OnStar, though, the car's location can be tracked via satellite. I'm under the impression (by OnStar's advertising) that it is not that easy to disable this tracking feature.

    The immobilizer system is not going to prevent your car from being loaded onto the flatbed of a truck and hauled away. From there, they don't even need to drive the car to get what they really want - the parts.
  • Interesting where this thread has gone from a simple statement of giddy happiness.
    The interesting part is all the discussions around security. Guess it might not be wise to add a remote start to a Honda.
    I believe the Saturn maintains full security even after the engine is started. If I left the window down and set the alarm then started the car remotely, opening the door by reaching inside and lifting the lock button and pulling the handle, I believe the alarm will sound.
    Haven't tested this yet but I will.
    If not, someone would still have to pop the keyswitch and jump the correct wires to get the systems to activate the trans-lock, and dash electronics.
    Don't think I will worry about it since after I start the engine I am in the car within a minute or less. Oh! If the right wires are not connected in the ignition switch, the 10 minute timer will shut the engine off, So I suspect if it was stolen, the thief would only get a few blocks to a mile away when the engine dies.
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,723
    I could be wrong but I doubt the key has to be in the slot - it's typically just a close proximity RFID reader that can be satisfied by taping a key anywhere close to the ignition switch. Of course without remote start or keyless go you can't do anything without turning the key so it wouldn't be of any use.
  • tedebeartedebear Posts: 832
    So...how far away does everyone's remote work? I have a factory remote start in my Sebring and I've tried it from 660 ft away inside the building where I work to the far end of the parking lot and it starts right up. This will come in very handy on frosty winter days when there is ice buildup on the windshield.

    Also, as far as the security goes, mine automatically locks the doors if I use the remote to start it. When I then unlock the door and get in I have around 30 seconds to insert the key and turn it to ON or the engine shuts off.
  • venus537venus537 Posts: 1,443
    The Accord's arch-rival, the Camry, has outsold it over the past several years. Does that fact alone make the Camry a better car? If so, then why didn't you buy a Camry? If not, then I'm not sure where this argument fits in the conversation.

    The point was that the Accord has been a consistent big seller and therefore is likely to make the top ten list of stolen cars. Saturns by contrast have been a big sales disappoint over the years and are not likely going to be on such lists. That's how the argument fits into the conversation. How you construe what I said meant that high volume vehicles are therefore better cars is beyond me. And why you would bring Hitler into the discussion from such a tongue and cheek remark is way beyond me.
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