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Midsize Sedans 2.0



  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,618
    That's not bad, but its eight controls vs. five and depending on how small/flush/packed the buttons are, hard to work with gloves/mittens on. The top row appears to be a little tightly packed, for example.

    Edit: I miscounted, ten controls vs. six (forgot temp and fan controls).
  • robertsmxrobertsmx Posts: 5,525
    I've never had problem using those with gloves. Each of those buttons is large, an inch wide by 3/4 inch high.
  • elroy5elroy5 Posts: 3,741
    My 92 Accord had the buttons in the picture, and they were much better than the old slide levers (remember those?). The cycling isn't really a problem in the 03 Accord, because I will do that before getting on the road. Don't usually have to change it after that.
  • jeffyscottjeffyscott Posts: 3,855
    At first glance those buttons for mode seem like they would be better than a rotary dial. I wonder how they are to operate with winter gloves on though?

    I don't think I'd like auto climate, as I do like cold air blowing in my face at times and hot air blowing on my feet at other times :). I can see where digital settings might work better for auto climate temp setting, though. With manual, I think a dial or slider for temp is better.

    For fan speed, I can't think of anything that would be better than the rotary dial.
  • Isn't the 2006-2008 Sonata ranked in the Large car catagory? And the 2008 Accord as well?
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,618
    Yes, both sneak into the EPA's large car category by interior volume.

    But then, some compact cars like the Elantra, Sentra, and Versa are considered "mid-sized" cars by the EPA based on interior volume.

    So it gets confusing. But lots of choices for people looking for a "mid-sized" sedan, depending on what they mean by "mid-sized". For me, the smaller the car is on the outside and bigger it is on the inside, the better I like it. So cars like the Versa hatchback, the Fit, the Elantra, the Sonata, and the MPV (RIP) appeal to me.
  • moparbadmoparbad Posts: 3,842
    Yes, both sneak into the EPA's large car category by interior volume.

    Accord with a sunroof is still midsize.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,618
    Accord LX with a full-sized Kleenex box in it is mid-sized too. ;)

    I was thinking that the 2008 Accord is probably one of the worst uses of extra size I've seen in a car. Consider that the sedan is 3 inches longer (to 194.1") and the wheelbase is 2.3 inches longer, and yet there is only 0.3" more overall leg room (+0.4" in back, -0.1" in front). And the trunk is only 14 cubic feet, less than in some compact sedans. Where did all that extra length go? At least the interior width is up by 1.5" with only a 1.1" increase in exterior width, and the front passengers get 1" more headroom from the 0.9" increase in height (no change for the rear).
  • elroy5elroy5 Posts: 3,741
    Comfort is more important than actual inches. Reviewers have commented that the interior is more comfortable as spacious. :confuse: Did an Accord run over your puppy?
  • andres3andres3 CAPosts: 5,278
    Perhaps the ultra powerful large 3.5L V6 takes more room up than the ultra powerful smaller 3.0L V6?
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,618
    That's a thought; how much longer (front of the car to back) is the 3.5L engine compared to the 3.0L engine?
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,618
    No, but thanks for asking!
  • m1miatam1miata Posts: 4,556
    Hyundai is in the business of selling new cars, and offers a generous warranty to those people. As a secondary level, those buying a Hyundai used get a more normal warranty. It is spelled out clearly on their website, which is very easy to access and read, when compared to most brands requiring you to contact a dealership for details.

    The GM warranty of 100K miles may indeed match some people's needs, if they drive more than say 15K per year. If they are driving 20K miles a year, it helps. As for increased quality, it appears that GM and most manufacturers have increased quality since I would say 2001. Most, but of course not all, cars seem to be getting more reliable during the 2002 model year and on, so I would say yes, they are paying having to do less warranty work on those cars - makes sense. Has GM quality doubled??? Come on now, of course it has not doubled, unless you compare it to a couple decades ago.

    Mazda quality has possibly dropped on the Mazda6 or has been less than stellar the last number of years, the rest of the line is not too bad. The Miata seems bullet proof. I was not aware of the warranty changes. Maybe you should ask Ford about that?

    Toyota power train appears to be questionable, based on reports by customers on this board (which is not too precise of a way to determine reliability of anything ), as the Honda transmissions seem to have recently improved and are more durable for the V6 models now.

    If a warranty means a lot to you personally, value it heavily when purchasing that new car. If it is but one element among many, just consider how much it really does mean to you. Buying a car like a Hyundai, which you must keep a good long time for it to be the best value, you may be better off with a long warranty -- they have a long warranty. L
  • Companies offer better warranties to give peace of mind to consumers who are concerned of additional costs while paying off they're new car. Not to mention to ease claims of the cars being less reliable. Companies such as Honda and Toyota have had no intentions on increasing they're warranties because they have their names to rest on(for label lovers). Even though you would think, since Hondas and Toyotas are supposed to be super reliable cars, why cant they offer a better warrenty? It shouldnt hurt them too much, right?
  • patpat Posts: 10,421
    I agree - so let's stick to the features and attributes of the specific cars. The various warranties manufacturers offer may be an interesting side conversation, but they really are not the focus here.
  • What about Chrysler's lifetime warranty? A pretty good idea IMO.How many keep one car their whole life.It will get more buyers than the 100mi/10 year one from Hyundai/KIA and with a few exceptions will be cost effective for the company.I dont know anybody that has kept their car for their lifetime. :confuse:
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,618
    I wonder how many people trade for a new car at least partly so they can get a new-car warranty and not be at risk to pay for expensive repairs, especially to the powertrain e.g. automatic transmissions that are very expensive to fix/replace. I know that is one consideration for me when I buy a new car, to get the benefits of a factory warranty and keep my repair costs low for several years. If a car has a lifetime powertrain warranty, how might that affect car buying patterns? Just a thought.
  • urnewsurnews Posts: 668
    I wonder how many people trade for a new car at least partly so they can get a new-car warranty and not be at risk to pay for expensive repairs, especially to the powertrain e.g. automatic transmissions that are very expensive to fix/replace.

    Getting a new car warranty was certainly a significant factor in our decision to buy a mid-size 2007 Ford Fusion. A power train warranty is what sets a new car apart from a used vehicle. Guarantees are certainly part and parcel of the buying decision.
  • andres3andres3 CAPosts: 5,278
    Yes, I like the peace of mind that comes with buying a car with a long warranty or with the Honda or Toyota name on it. To me, the Honda or Toyota name is at least as good as a 7/100K warranty without needing the warranty.

    In other words, I get MORE peace of mind from buying Honda or Toyota then I do from getting GM's or Chrysler's warranty. Secondly, I'd buy a Hyundai because their warranty meets my minimum requirements for the original owner at least.

    AGain, proven companies don't need a warranty, unproven one's do.
  • elroy5elroy5 Posts: 3,741
    I don't see a warranty as a big factor. I bought a car I have confidence in, and don't anticipate expensive repairs. Maybe I'm just lucky, but I have never had an expensive drive line repair. I guess if it ever does happen, it could cause me to change my thinking. We'll see.
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