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Midsize Sedans 2.0

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  • robertsmxrobertsmx Posts: 5,525
    Then I will ask the host if we should be discussing Accord and Sonata here. :P
  • robertsmxrobertsmx Posts: 5,525
    Why do Honda and Toyota have to offer extended warranties on used cars, if they are so reliable?

    Do you believe companies offer warranties if they sell products that aren't reliable?
  • Oh c'mon now. We discuss the Azera in the full-size discussion, as it is designed to compete with those sedans. We discuss the Sonata here for the same reason.

    I'm just repeating what pat had told me before when I mentioned the Accord in the full-size sedans forum.
  • robertsmxrobertsmx Posts: 5,525
    I will wait for Pat. :)
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,682
    Your comments are interesting, given that a short time ago you brought to our attention the fact that the Accord has more passenger space (106 cubic feet) than any car we are discussing here. So I took that to mean that you believe the the sheer interior volume of the Accord was a positive feature of the car. But when I pointed out that another car in this class offers more interior space, suddenly cabin/trunk space is no longer important to you, now it's all about "actual experience" (comfort, driving position, etc.).

    I don't have any problem with the Accord's features. I think it has lots of good features (although I am one who thinks hp in family sedans is getting out of hand). I just get kind of tired with people holding up attributes of the Accord as great things, until it's pointed out that some competitor has more, or has some feature the Accord doesn't have. Then it's, "oh, that really isn't important." If we are going to compare cars, we can at least be fair about it. Some cars do some things better than others. Accord shines in a number of areas. But it doesn't mean it trumps competitors in all facets.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,682
    Do you believe companies offer warranties if they sell products that aren't reliable?

    You have a good point. I guess that means mid-sized cars with longer warranties, e.g. Avenger, Sebring, Galant, Optima, and Sonata, are quite reliable.
  • m1miatam1miata Posts: 4,556
    Yes - Hyundai posts the whole enchilada on the warranty, in great detail. And it is not all that long a read, and pretty easy to comprehend. Most companies do not. - Loren
  • m1miatam1miata Posts: 4,556
    Avenger and Sebring are less desirable, as in not selling well, thus a longer warranty to help move stock. Dittos on Galant. The Optima and Sonata still have the stigma associated with Korean cars after the earliest efforts fell short, and thus a longer warranty. And in general, it is matching those other cars within the same league. Honda and Camry may choose like warranties, and the two may wish to match say Nissan if they have some extra super warranty and start selling more cars. The warranty wars are nothing new. Ford, Chrysler and GM all did that number years ago. It is an old dance. Those extra long warranties as in from here to eternity are usually out of desperation however. Kia and Hyundai are still, right or wrong, here in import car land, not seen as having the same status as the Japan makes. This could take a decade, though who really does know how long, to turn around where it comes to perceived quality and goodness of product between Korea and Japan. Heck, many see this as an opportunity to buy the Korean product at lower prices, with longer warranty, and are very happy indeed with their decision to venture into the future of a possible world of equality amongst Korean and Japan brands. Bold Moves. Oh doh, that's someone else. :blush: Loren
  • elroy5elroy5 Posts: 3,741
    I guess that means mid-sized cars with longer warranties, e.g. Avenger, Sebring, Galant, Optima, and Sonata, are quite reliable.

    Longer warranties, if you look at the reliability ratings, do not mean the car is more reliable. Maybe these manufacturers are hoping the cars are sold to someone else (who the warranty cannot be transferred to) before there are major problems. So I guess if the car is not so hot, there's a good chance of that.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,682
    Longer warranties, if you look at the reliability ratings, do not mean the car is more reliable. Maybe these manufacturers are hoping the cars are sold to someone else (who the warranty cannot be transferred to) before there are major problems.

    OK... so the fact that Honda's extended warranty is longer (in miles at least) than that of Hyundai or Kia or Mitsubishi or many others does NOT mean that the Accord is more reliable than the mid-sized cars from these other brands? This is getting kind of confusing! :confuse:
  • robertsmxrobertsmx Posts: 5,525
    Accord isn't considered more reliable based on length of its warranty. You're the one digging this up, and getting confused in the process. :sick:
  • robertsmxrobertsmx Posts: 5,525
    You were complaining about exterior size and made it sound like "where did it go". I followed it up. Now, you're complaining again, with the examples I quoted.

    Trunk size and cabin volume has never been the primary focus of my purchase. You're the one throwing things around and creating a mess. Didn't I say it couple of days ago that if I wanted to go cheaper than Accord, I would go Civic?

    I just get kind of tired with people holding up attributes of the Accord as great things, until it's pointed out that some competitor has more, or has some feature the Accord doesn't have.

    I won't be surprised if Chery (when it arrives in America) has far more features. Would that make them benchmarks?

    Seriously, If I couldn't afford it, I'd be willing to let go of a feature or two to drive a better car. You can't convince buyers like me to buy a car based on discounted price and additional features. They are all that for a reason!
  • zzzoom6zzzoom6 Posts: 425
    My warranty also outbrakes all of the warranties in this class. Plus, my warranty looks much better than yours. I can fit a bookshelf in my warranty, which is something none of the other warranties can do. And my warranty is much more fun than the other warranties in this class while not sacrificing comfort, practicality, or reliability (JD Powers and Consumer Reports both indicate that over a 5 year history, the difference between the most reliable and below average cars is less than 1 problem over that 5 years). Combined with the fact that I can buy my warranty for more than a few thousand dollars less than other warranties is nice frosting on this warranty cake. All in all, I really like my warranty. I also like the car that comes with it...
  • Robertsmx,

    Toyota does offer extended warranties. I purchased my 3 year/50,000 mile warranty through Toyota. It is called the Platinum Extended Warranty....I got it for a little under $600 and can cancel it at the end of my lease if I'm under my mileage and receive a refund for the remainder.
  • elroy5elroy5 Posts: 3,741
    OK... so the fact that Honda's extended warranty is longer (in miles at least) than that of Hyundai or Kia or Mitsubishi or many others does NOT mean that the Accord is more reliable than the mid-sized cars from these other brands?

    Indeed not, and the long warranty on the Hyundai does not mean it's more reliable either. It just means Hyundai is taking the chance that you will sell the car, before major repairs are needed. Since it's a less desirable car, I can see how they would come to that conclusion. ;)
  • patpat Posts: 10,421
    says it best: zzzoom6, "Midsize Sedans 2.0" #5869, 24 Sep 2007 9:16 pm

    Let's drop the warranty arguments - they have nothing to do with the actual features of the cars and all you folks are doing is just baiting each other.
  • I think you are right on with that. I don't very much think that we will ever be seeing ANY of todays cars running around the area in say 20-30 yrs, but something like those older VW's and many others are still plugging along. Granted they aren't the ideal vehicle, or for that matter even a desireable one but they are still around and running (? after a fashion?) How many of today's will be able to say that. My guess is with the electronics, and hydraulics, etc involved not very many will make it to that length of time. My own opinion.
    van
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,682
    Pat, to clarify: are you saying we shouldn't talk about warranties at all here? What about things like resale value and pricing? Those aren't features of a car either, but I think you would agree they are important factors for many people in choosing a car. And they factors that are mentioned in most reviews Edmunds.com does on cars--along with warranties.
  • patpat Posts: 10,421
    I am saying that we've beaten the warranties to death and we need to get back to the actual cars. If you want to argue the point, email me please.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,682
    No, I am just asking for a clarification, not an argument. Thank you, and have a great day.
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