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Midsize Sedans 2.0



  • tedebeartedebear Posts: 832
    Perhaps a better way to look at the situation would be, to list three reasons to choose a new Chrysler Sebring over Honda Accord, Toyota Camry, Nissan Altima, Ford Fusion, Saturn Aura or Hyundai Sonata. In other words, what makes that car better than these others?

    I'll be glad to. I just bought a 3.5L Sebring Limited sedan last month. Before I bought it I test drove a 2.7L Sebring, I sat in a Camry and I also test drove a 3.0L AWD Fusion. I never made it down the road to the Saturn dealer because after I drove the Sebring I knew that's what I wanted.

    I was not impressed at all with the interior of the Camry and taking one for a test drive would have just been a waste of time.

    I wasn't happy after my original test drive of the 2.7L Sebring. The 3.5L, with its 6-speed autostick, changed my mind.

    The 3.0L AWD Fusion I drove had decent performance but it had a ho-hum interior, not much better than the Camry. Plus, there was just too much chrome on the front end for me to like.

    The Sebring I drove and ended up buying had just about everything I could ever want - MyGIG GPS navigation, 20GB HD for storing up to 1,600 songs plus photos. UConnect hands-free voice commands with bluetooth to connect with my cell phone, Sirius satellite radio with real-time traffic interface, front seat DVD player and more. I'm a gadget guy and all this was sort of like a playground on wheels. I even noticed things like the nice, solid sound and feel the door made when closing.

    Okay, in answer to your question...

    1. It had what I wanted. The others I looked at didn't.

    2. My family has been happy overall with Chrysler vehicles and I decided to finally give them a try for my personal vehicle.

    3. I know some people in the auto business and I was able to get an employee discount, which saved me over $5,500 off the $30,000 MSRP, including a $1,000 rebate.
  • tedebeartedebear Posts: 832
    Unfortunately, your experience with Chrysler is the exception and not the norm. My dad's 87 Dodge Aries K car was a piece of dogpile.

    As others have already pointed out, things have changed a lot in two decades. I could write a book about the problems I had with an import Isuzu Opel I had back in the 1980s.
  • louisweilouiswei Posts: 3,717
    Chrysler interior...

  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,682
    I'm a gadget guy and all this was sort of like a playground on wheels.

    You've demonstrated that there's lots of different reasons for why someone buys a particular car. Having a "playground on wheels" would never make my Top 10 or even Top 20 reasons for buying a car, but that's why everyone has to evaluate cars based on their criteria and not others'. One thing Chrysler appears to have done with the Sebring is attack a niche market for people who like lots of electronic entertainment features in their sedans. Have fun with them!
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,665
    One thing Chrysler appears to have done with the Sebring is attack a niche market for people who like lots of electronic entertainment features in their sedans.

    What about the Fusion with Sync? I thought the Chrysler only had a hard drive for music - does it do more than that?
  • Personally i like cars that are simple. It should be car, radio, GOOD A/C, comfy seats, and maps. I dont care for the Nav system because i live in a suburb, i know all my streets. Put all of that in a reliable package with good worksmanship and i'm a happy camper.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,682
    It looks like the Sebring's hard drive can do more than play music. And, does the Fusion have a front-seat DVD player?
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,682
    Yes, I would rather have a car that itself is entertaining rather than its media systems providing the entertainment. And any need I had for a nav system has just been satisfied--my company just gave me a cell phone with built-in GPS navigation. Works in ANY car--even if I'm just a passenger. :)
  • andres3andres3 CAPosts: 5,325
    Good grief - a 1987 anything was crappy by today's standards. You don't think Dodge has improved any since 1987?

    Absolutely not. Chrysler is the exact same company it was 10, 20, and 30 years ago; that being a company that makes nothing but junk lemon cars :lemon:

    I see no indication that they have ever improved on anything.
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    Any credibility you had before just went out the window with that blanket statement. I say this, and my family has been burned by Chrysler and I drive a Honda. Your statement is still outrageous.
  • Man I see why you needed those great Audi seats, your back must hurt from that huge chip you carry on your shoulder. :P
  • "Any credibility you had...." It was nil anyhow and, if possible, is now less than
  • patpat Posts: 10,421
    This is not a discussion about other members - focus on the cars, please.
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,665
    Ok, I checked out the MyGig. It does store music on the hard drive but it doesn't interface with MP3 players except through a generic audio jack - no mp3 player control and no voice control. No bluetooth phone interface. And it does play DVDs on the built in screen - but only while you're parked. How many people watch DVDs while parked in their car and sitting in the front seat?
  • And it does play DVDs on the built in screen - but only while you're parked. How many people watch DVDs while parked in their car and sitting in the front seat?

    How many drivers do you want watching TV while they are driving? or are you thinking about having the video sent to the rear screens?
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,682
    Well, not me. But apparently it was an important feature for at least one buyer, as he specifically mentioned it. I have a 9" portable DVD player that I use when we go on trips of over a couple of hours with the kids (which isn't that often), and play it back through the stereo system via a wireless connector. The whole rig including the connector cost less than $100. That's one of the reasons I have trouble justifying paying a premium for these features to be built into a car. That Sebring mentioned earlier listed for $30k and even with a huge special discount was just under $25k before T&L. You can get a very nice Accord or Camry for $25k, or even something bigger like a Taurus or Azera.
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,665
    No, I don't want the driver watching anything except the road. I was just indicating that I didn't see that as a really useful feature.
  • zzzoom6zzzoom6 Posts: 425
    Or for 25k, you could get a v-6 mazda6 with alloys, side airbags, a/c, cc, and have 8k in your pocket (just saw an ad in the paper for a 07 Mazda6 as described above for 17k - it was one of those ads that says one only, so I wonder how real it is). It was at a new Mazda dealership though, so I wonder if they are just trying to buy some market share right now... but still a great deal if you can find it!
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,682
    Yes, there are many deals available for less than $25k. I was pointing out what $25k could buy instead of a Sebring with lots of electronic gear.

    I wonder if that one-only Mazda6 was a demo?
  • robertsmxrobertsmx Posts: 5,525
    It seems people now buying cars to get hard drive instead of, to drive the car. That said, since I'm wary of anything but solid state when it comes to storage in a hostile environment, are these hard drives solid state?

    After having lost a lot of data (which was recovered at a cost) to a damaged micro-drive in my digital camera, I've been wary of going that route again. No more micro-drives... compact flash works better. With proliferation of HDD based systems, I'm thinking along the same lines, especially in cars where extreme heat, cold and bumps could play a major role in terms of reliability/durability over the life of a car.
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