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  • aviboy97aviboy97 Posts: 3,159
    I hope I get to see one in my lifetime....oh.....it has to have 300hp, too! :shades:
  • kdshapirokdshapiro Posts: 5,751
    Also, the Prius and Insight were not the first gas-electric hybrid cars, so they were not revolutionary

    Your correct. Porsche had an gas/electric model circa 1910.
  • What technology did Porsche use in 1910? Must be very primitive, Did it have a big switch to go between gas and electric. I believe the technology in the Prius is revolutionary as far mass-market appeal. I believe most things evolve these days. Room size computer that adds and subtract to a room size computer that multiplies. 1 transistor per inch to a million in a inch. One technological step allow more things to become possible. If the Transistor was not invented our whole world would be completely different. Heck a bunch of dinosaurs had to die or we would all be driving Stanley Steamers.
  • Has anyone taken these two for test drives and compared yet? I already looked at the Camry SE and didn't like the steering. My concerns are that other posters say that the Mazda revs very high at freeway speeds while the Nissan shoots a lot of vibration through the steering wheel while on rough roads, especially with potholes. Is it really possible to get a midsized sedan with very good handling or do I have to move up to a BMW/Acura type vehicle for this?
  • jeffyscottjeffyscott Posts: 3,855
    Mazda revs very high at freeway speeds

    I think that is only with the manual transmission.
  • aviboy97aviboy97 Posts: 3,159
    I have yet to take a 6-speed Mazda6 i on the highway yet, but, from what I understand it does rev higher. The auto is normal.
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,691
    Have you tried a Fusion? Steering feel and handling are excellent without being too harsh. Not sure about the current I4 but the 2010 Fusion due in 2-3 months gets a new 2.5L I4 with new 6 speed auto and manual trannies with claims of best in class fuel economy, so I would assume it's not going to be running high RPM.
  • kdshapirokdshapiro Posts: 5,751
    What technology did Porsche use in 1910? Must be very primitive,

    Of course, even technology used 10 years ago is primitive by today's standard. However, the Prius isn't revolutionary it's just mass marketed. How can you have a revolutionary technology that has been around for 100 years? It's like saying the internal combustion engine is revolutionary in 2008.
  • "I believe the technology in the Prius is revolutionary as far mass-market appeal" So we agree. Would you consider a electric Golf Cart the predisor of a Prius
  • "I believe the technology in the Prius is revolutionary as far mass-market appeal" So we agree.
    Would you consider a electric Golf Cart the predecessor of a Prius. I think the day of someone sitting in their garage and inventing something creating a new technology is very rare. Many times the technology exists put it has to be cost effective to manufacture. (Hydrogen Cell, Solar Cells)
  • kdshapirokdshapiro Posts: 5,751
    Would you consider a electric Golf Cart the predecessor of a Prius

    Now that you mention it, yes! You're right. Sometimes all it takes is to package existing technology in a way that hasn't been thought of. Of course, that's is partly the Prius and other hybrid models. There may be components of the Prius, and other hybrid models, which make them unique, but the concept of hybrid technology is old.
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,691
    I think you're confusing a true Hybrid with Electric Vehicle. Having a gas engine work in conjunction with an electric motor (seamlessly) and be able to run on either one independently is the epitome of a revolutionary technology.
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,691
    An article talking about the new Dual LCD display screen for the 2010 Fusion says it will give fuel economy information and other real time info about the vehicle with 4 selectable levels.

    But the most interesting info in the article is that the new 2010 Fusion hybrid will be able to run on electric power only up to 47 mph and that it will achieve a range of 700 miles on one tank of gas in city driving. If they keep the 17.5 gallon fuel tank from the regular fusion that means 40 mpg city.

    By comparison the Camry hybrid only gets 33/34.
  • aviboy97aviboy97 Posts: 3,159
    If that were true about the Fusion Hybrid, that's pretty impressive.
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,691
    Here is one article with pictures of the displays but it doesn't mention the 700 mile range.

    http://jalopnik.com/5070371/ford-smartgauge-lcd-instrument-panel-brings-futurist- ic-look-green-leaves-to-2010-hybrids

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  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    Pretty slick looking. The only thing that worries me is the fact that people will probably be tinkering with this stuff while they drive. I hope and pray that Ford's lawyers come through and make this stuff changeable only while the car is in Park.

    That said, isn't there something to be said for simplicity? That cluster is lacking it. "Efficiency leaves?" Please.
  • baggs32baggs32 Posts: 3,213
    I hope and pray that Ford's lawyers come through and make this stuff changeable only while the car is in Park.

    You can only change the color of the MyColor display in the current Mustang while the car is not moving so I would be shocked if that were not the case in the hybrids too.

    "Efficiency leaves?" Please.

    USAToday's article on it says Honda has something similar in the works too. You don't think that will be some cheesy gimmick too?
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    USAToday's article on it says Honda has something similar in the works too. You don't think that will be some cheesy gimmick too?

    If Honda has efficiency leaves or something similar, sure I will. I might change my name to *Rain* or *Springbreath* and wear only clothes made from recycled lawn clippings too, otherwise. :shades:

    Why wouldn't I? To tell you the truth, I like the simplistic layout of gauges like they used to make in the Honda Hybrids, with basic charge/assist indicators, and a battery level. Give me info from my gauge cluster, and leave it at that, thankyousir.

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    I also like the implementation that Ford used in the old system. Although small, it wasn't distracting. None of this flashy stuff! :P

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  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,691
    I think the hybrid camry has a similar "cheesy" display but I don't remember the details.

    The good news is there are 4 display levels and the simple one is really simple, so you don't get the details unless you want them. That should satisfy the technologically challenged and the geeks at the same time.
  • aviboy97aviboy97 Posts: 3,159
    Don't know if we have seen a shot as good as this just yet.

    Those look like Altima head lamps to me....and a big "WTF" for the rear! This thing just looks weird.
    http://www.automobilemag.com/green/news/0810_2010_mercury_milan_hybrid_spied/ind- - ex.html
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    Hello Buick!

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  • aviboy97aviboy97 Posts: 3,159
    I'm really curious to see the Fusion now. Until now, I thought the Milan was the better looking of the two.
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,691
    Here's the fusion hybrid gauge cluster:

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  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    The whole thing seems to droop now. It isn't terrible, but isn't what I'd call an improvement, either.

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  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,691
    To me it looks much better, especially the slight bulge in the hood and grille. Of course this is probably the last new Milan we'll see. Mercury is moving towards unique vehicles and away from Ford rebadges. Note there was no Mercury version of the Flex or Edge (or Focus or Fiesta).

    I expect the Fusion to look even better based on spy photos and illustrations. Shouldn't be too long now.
  • mz6greyghostmz6greyghost Posts: 1,230
    It's an Altima with a different grille. Umm, ugly.

    I also love how the droopy front end doesn't even begin to flow into the boxed-off rear end.

    I used to prefer the looks of the Milan over the Fusion... Not anymore.
  • dm1212dm1212 Posts: 59
    The fusion drives like crap. My mother has a 2006 SEL V6, although the car is peppy, the steering is lose, and is pittiful for FWD in snow. I think she paid 28 grand for, biggest waste of money ever. I strongly don't reccomend a Ford product...and considering the Mazda 6 is practically a Fusion, I would stay away from it. Looks can be decieving, I would go with the Altima.
  • dm1212dm1212 Posts: 59
    That is typical Ford engineering. CHEAP. The new Milan is worse then the old one, I could see maybe an 85 year old woman driving one. That grill is hidious!
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,691
    Fusion steering and handling is one of it's strong points and is better than average for this type of vehicle. That was one of the few benefits of the Jackie Stewart Formula 1 team.
  • aviboy97aviboy97 Posts: 3,159
    Ummm, you need to be corrected. The Mazda6 is not by any means a Fusion. The Fusion was loosely based on the 1st gen Mazda6 and though no longer in production the 1st gen Mazda6 is still considered the best handling, braking and steering vehicle in this class. The 2nd gen is a whole other story. The difference is night and day between the two of them.
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