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  • tim156tim156 Posts: 308
    But the 2010 V6 SEL comes standard with AWD.

    No it doesn't. All wheel drive is optional on the V6 SEL 3.0L and the 3.5L Sport.
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,675
    You can get the SEL V6 with or without AWD, but if you choose the "SEL V6" model it comes standard with AWD. You have to get the I4 SEL and add the 3.0L engine option to get a FWD SEL V6.

    The question was why there was a $3K price difference between a base SEL V6 model between 2009 and 2010 and the answer is that base price for the 2010 model includes AWD and stability control which was not standard on the 2009 SEL V6 model.

    Just go to edmunds or kbb and see if you can find a FWD SEL V6 model to choose from.
  • jeffyscottjeffyscott Posts: 3,855
    :confuse:

    I don't think the V6 is technically listed as a stand alone option. Anyway, according to Ford, under the Fusion V6 SEL list of features they say "Select Optional Equipment: All-Wheel Drive..."

    http://www.fordvehicles.com/cars/fusion/models/
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,675
    It is if you go to an online pricing site like edmunds.com or kbb.com. For 2009 they list a "SEL V6 FWD" model and then you add options. For 2010 the only choices are "I4 SEL FWD" or "V6 SEL AWD". You have to choose the I4 SEL and add the V6 engine option.

    The only way to get a $3K difference between a 2009 SEL V6 and a 2010 SEL V6 is to compare the 2009 FWD and the 2010 AWD which would be easy to do if you were using edmunds or kbb or any other online pricing tool.

    I priced out a 2009 V6 SEL FWD with stability control and leather seats at $26,165. The 2010 V6 SEL FWD is $26,310. A difference of $145 - not $3,000. Leather seats are standard on the 2010 SEL.
  • baggs32baggs32 Posts: 3,213
    It is if you go to an online pricing site like edmunds.com or kbb.com. For 2009 they list a "SEL V6 FWD" model and then you add options. For 2010 the only choices are "I4 SEL FWD" or "V6 SEL AWD". You have to choose the I4 SEL and add the V6 engine option.

    I have to agree with the others on this one Allen. Those sites you listed are just plain wrong in presenting the 2010 models in that fashion. If you build one on Ford's own site you'll find that your choice of 2010 Fusion models is as follows (excluding the Hybrid):

    S I4 MTX FWD
    S I4 ATX FWD
    SE I4 MTX FWD
    SE I4 ATX FWD
    SE V6 ATX FWD
    SEL I4 ATX FWD
    SEL V6 ATX FWD
    SEL V6 ATX AWD
    Sport 3.5L V6 ATX FWD
    Sport 3.5L V6 ATX AWD

    There is no option for a V6 engine or AWD when you choose the SEL I4 ATX FWD and that's the way it should be.

    For the record, a base 2010 Fusion SEL V6 (that's the 3.0L V6) FWD stickers for $26310 like you mentioned. How you arrived at that through kbb and edmunds is just crazy though. And yes, the price difference between the 2010 and 2009 is mainly due to standard features on the '10 like heated leather, Sync, and AdvanceTrac with RSC. All SEL models come with those standard now. If you want cloth seats like the '09 SEL V6 had then you need to get a '10 SE V6 FWD.
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,675
    I didn't say it was right or wrong - I'm just saying that's how you get the prices if you use those sites and that would explain how someone came up with a $3K price difference.

    The whole point was that there is NOT a $3K price difference between the 2009 and 2010 models for similarly equipped models.
  • Kirstie_HKirstie_H Posts: 10,851
    I had a Fusion as a rental car in San Francisco this past weekend. I must say that I was pleasantly surprised with everything but the seating surface fabric. We had one of the nicer editions, but the cloth seating seemed super-cheap and didn't match what appeared to be the rest of the vehicle's quality. Overall, it was quite nice if you're a mid-size sedan person (which, uh... it seems you all are :) )

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  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,695
    Was it a 2010 or an older model?
  • jeffyscottjeffyscott Posts: 3,855
    Okay, now I understand your point.
  • igozoomzoomigozoomzoom Waleska, GeorgiaPosts: 791
    I've been planning to trade-in my '06 Mazda3 for a while, but I wanted to see the 2010 Fusion (and the 2010 Mazda3) before I made any decisions.

    The 2010 has a better looking interior made with higher quality materials. It also has the new 2.5L 4-cylinder, which is a substantial improvement over the previous 2.3L...especially when paired with the automatic transmission.

    But I think the '09 Fusion SE/SEL with Sport Appearance Package (SAP) is a better looking car overall. If I can find one with a V6 in either of my color choices (Vapor Silver or Redfire) with the SAP & Moonroof, I'm very tempted to snag and '09....
  • Mazda 3 looks like a good car, but the grill is busted. What were they thinking?
    I take it the Focus will use the same platform as the 3, maybe it will look better?
  • Cosigning to statements about the Sport Appearance pkg. It really adds some pizazz to the Fusion's looks. I really wish Ford would offer a SA pkg on the 2010 SE model. that would be grand.
  • Kirstie_HKirstie_H Posts: 10,851
    I didn't get out the manual to check :) If I had to guess, I'd say 2009 based on the fact that it already had a few miles on it.

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  • cannon3cannon3 Posts: 296
    will actually be from Ford of Europe. It is available right now in Europe and is supposed to debut in U.S. in late 2010. The new Focus will be slightly larger. It is supposed to offer more upscale features as standard items, high quality feel/materials. From what I understand Ford and Mazda are parting ways slowly but surely. I see the Mazda Tribute going away in about 2 years. The CX7 will take its place.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,695
    Well, no manual should be required to tell a 2009 from a 2010--there's major front and rear styling differences.
  • Kirstie_HKirstie_H Posts: 10,851
    If I'd paid a bit of attention to the exterior, I'd probably know. As it was, we got into it in a dark garage, drove around for awhile, then had the hotel valet park it until we left for the airport a few days later. I probably had eye contact with the exterior for all of 30 seconds total :)

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  • baggs32baggs32 Posts: 3,213
    Were the interior lights blue or green? They changed to blue for the 2010 model.
  • the chrome strips on the front HUMUNGOUS or just big? that's another tip-off
  • aviboy97aviboy97 Posts: 3,159
    will actually be from Ford of Europe. It is available right now in Europe and is supposed to debut in U.S. in late 2010. The new Focus will be slightly larger. It is supposed to offer more upscale features as standard items, high quality feel/materials. From what I understand Ford and Mazda are parting ways slowly but surely.
    _________

    The Euro Focus and Mazda3 share the same platform, and that is where the similarities stop. The US Focus does use the Mazda LF-DE engine design renamed "2.0L Duratec" by Ford.

    Technology sharing will continue for quite some time between Ford and Mazda. Their partnership is not totally gone.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,695
    So, will this new larger Focus move up to the mid-sized class?
  • cannon3cannon3 Posts: 296
    Good question. With the Ford Fiesta coming in also under the Focus.. What I have read is the new Focus is just slightly larger than the present Focus. Doesn't sound like it is going to be large enough to move it up into another class. Mazda and Ford will part ways in the coming years. This will hurt Mazda more than Ford. Mazda needs the dealership/parts/support network Ford offers here in the U.S. I am a Mazda fan and would hate to see Mazda shrink its market here in the U.S. Have you ever driven a Mazda 3 and a Civic back to back? In my opinion the Mazda 3 is a far nicer vehicle, better value hands down than the Civic. The Mazda 3 is the choice economy vehicle. Well, guess we better get back to sedans..
  • lilengineerboylilengineerboy Posts: 4,116
    Have you ever driven a Mazda 3 and a Civic back to back? In my opinion the Mazda 3 is a far nicer vehicle, better value hands down than the Civic. The Mazda 3 is the choice economy vehicle.

    That is a bit too subjective. I think the interior of the Civic is very nice, the packaging is very good, and the engine is adequate. I think the Mazda3 is fun to drive, handles very well and is considerably more sporty. I also think the "hatchback" offers a lot of utility over the Civic coupe and sedan. The Civic has ABS standard on all models across the board.

    It would be a very hard choice between the sportiest models, though, the Civic SI sedan and the MazdaSpeed3.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,695
    You know, there's a discussion on these kinds of cars that is begging for more posts. :)

    http://townhall-talk.edmunds.com/direct/view/.ef985e1/1176
  • mz6greyghostmz6greyghost Posts: 1,230
    Mazda and Ford will part ways in the coming years. This will hurt Mazda more than Ford. Mazda needs the dealership/parts/support network Ford offers here in the U.S.

    And Ford needs the small engines and other mechanical components used in ALL their cars that are supplied by Mazda.

    As a result, despite Ford selling off shares of Mazda to "officially" lose the controlling stake of Mazda, they still have 13.4% of Mazda stock, and I highly doubt the partnership between Ford and Mazda will be going away anytime soon, since the component sharing goes both ways and are vital to BOTH companies.
  • Kirstie_HKirstie_H Posts: 10,851
    aack! It was daytime every time we drove. Wow... I sure will pay more attention next time. No one told me about the pop quiz afterward :)

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  • igozoomzoomigozoomzoom Waleska, GeorgiaPosts: 791
    Actually, the 2004 Mazda3, 2004.5 Volvo S40 and European Ford Focus (intro'd in late 2004) are all built on the Ford C1 platform. Ford made a very unwise decision NOT updating the U.S. market Focus when the Euro version was redesigned. The current Focus is rather sad compared to the European model...and outdated compared to competing models... :(

    But soon we'll have a new Fiesta and Focus....can't happen soon enough!
  • igozoomzoomigozoomzoom Waleska, GeorgiaPosts: 791
    Ford benefits from Mazda's small engines and Mazda benefits from Ford's larger Duractecs. The Mazda6 s and CX-9 both use Ford's 3.7L V6 (the same one you'll find under the hood of the 2009 Lincoln MKS).
  • patpat Posts: 10,421
    Pop quiz? It seems more like you were asked to defend a thesis!! :shades:
  • igozoomzoomigozoomzoom Waleska, GeorgiaPosts: 791
    I doubt we'll see a SAP (Sport Appearance Package) on the Fusion SE/SEL. It has been replaced by the new top-of-the-line Sport trim level....starting at $25,825! :( It does get its own 3.5L V6 263hp V6 compared to the 3.0L 240hp unit in lesser Fusions.
  • stephen987stephen987 Posts: 1,994
    I think you are correct, based on the Ford build-your-own website. But I'll be disappointed if they don't offer the sport appearance package. I don't need or want the 3.5 V6, but I'd sure like to have the sportier suspension with the four-cylinder and a manual transmission.

    Guess I'd better hunt down an '09 in Redfire Metallic with the sport appearance package while they're still out there.
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