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Midsize Sedans 2.0



  • zzzoom6zzzoom6 Posts: 425
    The Accord EXL V6 Automatic and Accord EXL V6 6MT had identical pricing.

    At the time, Honda had an LX w/ a v-6 that was quite a bit less money than the EXL but was not available with a manual transmission. And the "premium" I spoke of related to the difference between the Mazda6 vs Accord both with v-6 and a manual - the mazda6 coming in under 20k and the Accord around 25k. Of course the Accord had leather (which I don't like: too cold in the winter and too hot in the summer), more power and an extra gear (6 speed), but the Mazda6 had superior brakes, better handling, 2 extra doors (I was looking at the Accord coupe since I didn't care for the looks of the sedan), and the Mazda6 also had a much more functional cargo area when bought in hatchback form. In other words, to get the Accord w/ a manual, I had to buy a trim level that included options I did not want and was Honda's most expensive trim level. I'm glad Mazda gave me a choice as to what trim level was available w/ the options that I wanted!
  • patpat Posts: 10,421
    Let it go please. As I said, people are entitled to define their own set of priorities. What is not a "necessity" to you may be one to someone else, so what. That's the way the world goes 'round.
  • patpat Posts: 10,421
    Once again some of us are getting mired in personal backbiting. Please give it a rest. A couple of you really REALLY need to stop taking others' differences of opinions as personal insults. We're all entitled to our own points of view, let it be - please!

    (You've probably figured out that some posts have had a thorough treatment of my friend Kirstie's patented Post-B-Gon, yes? :P Have some eggnog and cookies - they're over there in the corner.)
  • I haven't posted much on these forums (since I work some crazy hours) but I've been seriously looking at new sedans. I had first considered I4/Manual models, but they are hard to find with the options I'd like (sunroof, leather, CD6) So I've been looking at top of the line V6 models. So I've been researching (and this week will be driving these models this week) So here are the contenders:

    Honda Accord EXL-V6
    Saturn Aura XR
    Chevrolet Malibu LTZ
    Hyundai Azera Limited

    I'm still considering I4 models loaded with features such as the Accord EX-L. But my main models considered are the V6 models. I am not considering Altima models, seeing as I've had nothing but issues with my Altimas are off limits. LOL Not considering the Sonata either *at least not until the 09 models are debuted* because I think the interior materials are kinda cheap, the design is somewhat bland and I thinik the interior looks wierd. No Fusion models either..and the Kia Optima's V6 is weaksauce. So basically I'm asking if anyone has had any experiences with these models. Anyone tested the Malibu LTZ models? I've had experiences in Aura 3.6 XR? I'd like to get as much feedback from owners who own the Accord, Malibu and Aura models with V6 engine.

    Any advice would be greatly appreciated...I'm looking to get something around tax time...
  • bhmr59bhmr59 Posts: 1,598
    If you're planning on mid-April, the '09 Sonatas will most likely be out in May or June.

    The Kia Optima 2.7L engine (185 HP) is rated much lower HP than most of the current offerings. However, my '05 Sonata has that engine and is rated 170 HP and it "goes." Throughout the year, I average about the EPA rating (at that time) of 19 MPG. Current EPA rating is probably 18 MPG. My drive to work is under 3 miles each way.

    My brother drives an '07 Sonata SE (234 HP) and EPA rated 20, local. The interior is nice. The '08 Sonata SE is available with I4 and manual shift, but not leather seats. The '09 might offer leather, if Hyundai follows what they did with the '08 Elantra.
  • If the Sonata is out by then I'll probably consider it...considering I like the pics of the facelifted model's interior...until then my primary choices are the four vehicles about. I just can't make myself like the's like the car I'd choose 40 years from now (I'm 22)

    Also, for the power that 2.7 liter makes and the MPG you are getting..there is NO WAY I'd get an Optima V6, when I could have the comparable Accord EX-L I4 for similar money...18 mpg is kinda low doncha think?

    Style-wise Malibu is my favorite...interior wise It's a toss up between the Accord and Azera. The Malibu's design and color combos are very very nice...but some of the interior materials leave a LOT to to be desired...from the hard plastic door panels to the secondary controls for the power window switches and homelink system. Accord right now is my favorite but I need some extended time with all of them to really figure out what I'd want. I've also seen folks claim that the Malibu is thousands of dollars cheaper than the Accord...not so. The Accord is the least expensive of the Japanese Big three family sedans...coming in some $2000 cheaper than the equivalent Altima 3.5SE or 3.5SL. In my research the Malibu LTZ when equipped like an Accord is about $150-$300 less depending on color choices.
  • bhmr59bhmr59 Posts: 1,598
    Note that I said my typical drive is under five miles. I go up a curvey hill of about 200 ft in 3/10's of a mile twice a day. That's almost 1/10 of my commute and there is a stop light which usually consumes about two minutes and a couple stop signs. (2.7 miles usually takes 10 minutes, just to give you an idea.)

    So, I'm not complaining about my MPG with the type of driving I do. The only long road trip I had was when I drove the car home from FL to CT when I bought it. I averaged over 27 MPH while the car was still breaking in, and I kept up with traffic, going mostly 70-75.

    The current Sonata lists HP at 162 for the 4 cyl. If I were shopping today, I'd look at the Limited 4 cyl version. But my idea was, if you want a cyl manual shift, the Sonata SE may satisfy your desires. There's only one way to tell; test drive one.

    Good luck in your car hunting.
  • venus537venus537 Posts: 1,443
    You're car will be more unique if you got either the Aura or Azera. In a year or so you'll see lots and lots of the current Accord and Malibu on the road.
  • kdshapirokdshapiro Posts: 5,751
    The last reason for getting a car is to be unique. If you want to be unique get a Ferrari or Lambo.
  • venus537venus537 Posts: 1,443
    It was a tongue and cheek suggestion but many people don't share your opinion as getting a new vehicle is a very personal choice for many people. It certainly isn't a last reason for many of us.
  • It was a tongue and cheek suggestion but many people don't share your opinion as getting a new vehicle is a very personal choice for many people. It certainly isn't a last reason for many of us.

    That might be true but if you are looking to differentiate yourself with a vehicle in this segment, eh good luck.
  • venus537venus537 Posts: 1,443
    Though I would personally prefer the Accord or the Aura, the Aura would definitely be less common than the Accord and Malibu.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,682
    If you want something really rare in this class, try the Galant. ;)
  • urnewsurnews Posts: 668
    If you want something really rare in this class, try the Galant.

    The Fusions/Milans are great cars but aren't exactly setting any sales records (but probably more than the Galants).
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,682
    Oh yes, the Fulan sells in much bigger numbers than the Galant. I see tons of Fusions out there, not very many Milans, hardly any Galants. So I guess if someone likes the Fulan and wants something that is not as commonplace, the Milan would be the choice. I like the Milan's styling better than the Fusion's, and the Milan has ABS and power driver's seat standard--or did Fusion add standard ABS for '08?

    Probably the mid-sizer that was the most rare of all in the U.S. was the Verona, but Suzuki has dropped that model. RIP.
  • urnewsurnews Posts: 668
    --or did Fusion add standard ABS for '08?

    Yup, if I remember what I read correctly, the 2008 Fusions now come with ABS.
  • zzzoom6zzzoom6 Posts: 425
    What kind of things are you looking for in your new car? Is back seat space important? Are 0-60 times important, or do you want something soft and comfy? Do you have kids, pets? Would extra hauling capacity be helpful? And do you have to deal with nasty weather regularly? What did you not like about the Fusion (not to talk you out of it, but just to see what issues you're thinking about)?

    If you lean toward the sportier end, the Aura, Legacy and Mazda6 might be worth considering. And if you're still in the market mid-08, the next generation Mazda6 may be available in the US (this new model is already getting great reviews in Europe where it is now available for purchase, but there may be changes to the US version... should know more within a month or two when US specs are released).

    I looked at the Malibu this weekend and was pretty impressed. The interior looked very nice and I thought the interior materials were very good. The sliding part of the center console was a bit sticky and there were some sharp points at the bottom part of the gear shift, but overall, the fit and finish was good. Nice use of soft touch plastic up on the dash (almost rubberized) and the feel of the buttons was good. Back seat comfort was good also with lots of legroom. I wanted to take one for a drive, but they were a bit busy and didn't want to waste the salespeople's time. Still not too fond of the grill, but it's not terribly annoying to me either. Regardless, it's good to see another quality competitor in this segment.
  • venus537venus537 Posts: 1,443
    What ever you do, stay away from those crummy Mazda 6 vehicles. The Accord is a much superior vehicle. :shades:
  • carzzzcarzzz Posts: 282
    I think safety is very important especially the side impact. 2008 Honda Accord receives only 3 stars on rear seat side impact from NHTSA, despite it is the best pick from IIHS. Honda should revise or modify the structure or air bags design.
  • jeffyscottjeffyscott Posts: 3,855
    That is a surprising result. Looks like everything else discussed here gets 4 or 5 stars in that test. But...looking at actual test results for head injury score (which NHTSA does not consider in their ratings) changes the picture somewhat.

    Rear seat head injury criterion (and star rating):

    Accord - 451 (3 stars)
    Fusion - 471 (4 stars)
    Sonata - 472 (5 stars)
    Mazda6 - 199 (4 stars)
    Camry - 109 (5 stars)
    Aura - 495 (5 stars)
    Legacy - 473 (5 stars)
    Altima - 390 (5 stars)

    Perhaps folks with kids should take a closer look at the Camry or Mazda6, if they care about protecting them from head injury.
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