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Midsize Sedans 2.0



  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,628
    Are you going to wait to get the 2009 Malibu until there are larger discounts/rebates, so the financial picture after 5-7 years will be more comparable to that of the Accord? That seemed to be an important part of your buying decision.

    Civic is adding VSC for 2009, as an option at least.
  • jaxs1jaxs1 Posts: 2,697
    It depends on how much more I like it than the others. If I like it much better, I won't wait that long. There might be another $1000 conquest rebate coming on the 2009s after the 2008s are gone since the vast majority of Malibu buyers are current GM vehicle owners.

    If I keep it for 7 years instead of 5, the resale difference will be less.
    If they don't overproduce them and try to force sales increases with big rebates, then the resale may be better than expected.
    Maybe they should just accept the fact that this car will not sell 400K a year like a Camry or Accord and not dump them on the market with $3000 rebates like Hyundai would do and what they did with the old Malibu and fleet sales.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,628
    The IIHS recently released a report on crash tests on several mid-sized sedans. The good news was that they all got a "Good" score for frontal impact, and all but the Optima got a "Good" on the side impact test. The Optima got "Acceptable" on the side test because there is the possibility of a fractured pelvis for the driver. The bad news is that only the Optima got "Good" for rear impact, only two (Avenger and Sebring) scored "Acceptable", and the rest scored "Marginal" or "Poor" on rear impact. Which is surprising since it's not that big a deal anymore to design seats and head restraints that protect necks in rear-end crashes.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,628
    With the recent strikes affecting production of the Malibu, the odds that it won't be overproduced in the near future look pretty good. And GM still has the Malibu Classic to sell to fleets--until that model is retired anyway.

    Maybe when the new Malibu reaches the end of its life (or becomes the next "Malibu Classic"), there will be big rebates on it also. It's a brand-new model now, so no need to ramp up the rebates just yet. I'm seeing discounting in my local area, though.
  • bpizzutibpizzuti Posts: 2,743
    Civic is adding VSC for 2009, as an option at least.

    Took 'em long enough. The Elantra beat them by a year. Now maybe a Civic is worth considering when I buy this fall.

    Used to be Honda was ahead of the'd they let Hyundai get an edge on them?
  • mickeyrommickeyrom Posts: 936
    What is VSC?
  • aviboy97aviboy97 Posts: 3,159
    Used to be Honda was ahead of the'd they let Hyundai get an edge on them?

    Mazda offered stability control in the Mazda3 two years before the Civic. However, there still is no DSC in the 2008 Mazda6 :confuse: Apparently, the new 09 Mazda6 will have it.
  • aviboy97aviboy97 Posts: 3,159
    VSC: Vehicle Stability Control
    DSC: Dynamic Stability Control

    Many mfgrs call "stability control" many different things. Those are two acronyms that mean the same thing.
  • targettuningtargettuning Posts: 1,371
    How did Honda let Hyundai get the edge? By producing one of the most expensive "small" (now medium sized) cars in the class with the least amount of standard equipment as compaired to the Elantra. By that I mean beyond the obligatory power windows (although the DX didn't even have that), steering, and brakes the Civic doesn't have stability control, heated outside mirrors, traction control, XM or Sirius radio (except bundled with the expensive in dash nav. or a dealer installed package) fog lamps (except as a dealer installed option), multi-function trip computer, (on Elantra SE) heated front seats (on Elantra SE with an option package) and probably a few more things I overlooked. Hyundai has some these items on the cheapest model, most of the others standard on their SE model and the rest at least optional.
  • oceana143oceana143 Posts: 38
    I like both the Malibu and Altima with a slight edge to the Altima for styling. Does anyone know if the 4 cylinder Altima will have stability control for 2009? Not having it is a deal breaker for me.
  • bpizzutibpizzuti Posts: 2,743
    I'd prefer to see the 4-cyl with stability control. it's be great with it...they've got such torquey engines that their CVTs can drop the cruise RPMs down to 2000 or below sometimes, even at highway speeds. Good for fuel economy. ;)

    Not having ESC is a deal-breaker for me. Sometimes I get stuck driving in garbage, and being in it for an hour or more doesn't fill me with confidence...
  • joe97joe97 Posts: 2,248
    Forget it, the Civic DX, you don't even get a radio...
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,628
    Did you see that GM announced the 2008 Malibu LTZ will be available with the I4 and 6AT? So now you won't have to wait as long to get a Malibu with that powertrain, if that is the way you go. Starting price is over $26k though...
  • jaxs1jaxs1 Posts: 2,697
    I knew about the LTZ coming out now, but I still would get a 2009 anyway because factory bluetooth doesn't start until 2009 models. The 2009s should be at dealers by the end of June and I'm not in a huge hurry. I might even wait another 6 months to see what the updated 2010 Camrys and Fusions look like since those could be out very early in 2009.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,628
    Isn't the Fusion going to be updated for 2009 (this fall)? It will be 3 years old then.

    Why do you think 2009 Malibus will be at dealers in June, when the 2008s didn't appear until last November? If 2009s will be available in June, I wonder why GM went to the trouble of just now introducing a new powertrain for the LTZ for the 2008 MY--which ends in less than two months?
  • karsickkarsick Posts: 312
    My guess is that GM is trying to squeeze 1 or 2 more mpg's out of the car, since I'd guess that's the first spec people want to know about when car shopping now. :confuse:

    I recall in the 70's that the MPG ratings figured very prominently in most car ads (and probably went a long way in influencing all my car buying decisions since, regardless of fuel prices)
  • karsickkarsick Posts: 312
    Would you consider a fuel-efficient 30-40mpg, unibody FWD, four-door with hatch, 4cyl (gas or turbodiesel, auto or manual) vehicle that's under 3500lbs, with class-leading passenger room, styled by Peter Horbury of recent Volvo fame?

    What if it came with a long wheelbase option with seating for 8, yet was shorter than most midsizers?

    I'm referring to the Ford Tourneo Connect, a vehicle I fell in love with during a visit to England. It's sold primarily as a commercial vehicle in Europe, but I really believe its no-nonsense utilitarian 'style' would have LOTS of appeal stateside. Think of it as a modern-day VW Microbus, with none of the silly sporty/luxo pretense we get from any current vehicle here.

    Ford.... stop it with the overweight 4wd V6 slushbox 16mpg crossovers you love so much, and get this thing federalized! ;)


    I'd take a lonnnng look at this if I was in the market for a traditional midsize car today.
  • jaxs1jaxs1 Posts: 2,697
    They delayed the Fusion update. Now it's going to be a 2010 model, but may be a very early 2010 model that could be out in January.
    GM is almost done taking orders on 2008 Malibus. They should start taking orders on 2009s by the end of the month and start building 2009s sometime in June. So the very first 2009s could hit the lots before the end of June or else July.
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,622
    The 2010 Fusion rolls off the line in December, on sale in January. It should be at the LA Auto Show. New 2.5L I4, hybrid, 6 speed trannies, new front end, new interior. ESC added for 2009. More power and better mileage from the V6 but it's not clear if it will be a 240 hp 3.0L, the standard 265 hp 3.5L or both.
  • aviboy97aviboy97 Posts: 3,159
    Well, FoMoCo's partner, Mazda, just released official pictures and engine/tranny choices for their Mazda6. It looks much better then the spy photos I must say. Mazda will be using their 3.7L V6 built in Japan with 273hp and 270tq and also using their newly developed 2.5L I4 with around 170hp. The I4 will get your choice of a 6-speed manual or 5-speed auto, and the V6 gets the 6 speed auto
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