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Midsize Sedans 2.0

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  • plektoplekto Posts: 3,738

    I would have a huge problem with putting 300,000 miles on a car...which is that it would take me about 37 years!


    Yeah, I unfortunately go thorough tires about every two years it seems. Commuting here in Los Angeles, home to the never ending freeway jungle, will do that for you. A manual transmission alone is most of the savings and issues with reliability. The rest of the car won't possibly literally fall apart in the first 10-12 years. So I tend to buy 8-12K used cars and drive them for several years. The truck I got with about 300K on it, but it's really my fun off-road truck. I kind of need a better commuting machine. MPG and power is kind of so-so.

    Though, it DOES make yuppies get out of my way, which is actually making driving easier I guess. :P
  • chronochrono Posts: 149
    backy .. nice!
  • smarty666smarty666 Posts: 1,503
    what one or two of the mainstream mid size sedans do you think has the quietest most refined sounding 4cyl engine???

    I haven't heard the new Sonata's yet but so far it seems that the Camry's and Sonata's, based on what I've read is suppose to be the most quiet of the mid-size sedans!

    what do you all think?
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,738
    Accord has a pretty quiet and refined engine also. Also I've heard good things about the 2010 Fulan I4 being much quieter than before. Based on all I've read on the Sonata, I don't know if I would put it in the upper tier for quietness if only because of the DI adding some noise. But reports indicate it's very quiet at cruise, no doubt helped by the 6-speed trannies.
  • tlongtlong CaliforniaPosts: 4,766
    Both the Honda and believe it or not the Mazda 4's are pretty darn smooth and quiet. Of course those makes have louder rides, but that is due to the tire noise instead.
  • andyfromvaandyfromva Posts: 77
    edited March 2010
    It looks like Hyundai did okay with the new Sonata, but it also looks like the GLS is FAR from a game-changer in the midsize segment.

    I strongly disagree.

    If you read the review, the reviewer's main problem was with the manual transmission they tested. The reviewer noted that the auto transmission would give much better results:

    But with the new six-speed automatic transmission (which has no such throttle-dampening), we're betting the Sonata would close in on the Volkswagen CC as well as the VW Passat, which are good for acceleration to 60 mph from a standstill in 7.3 seconds and a quarter-mile of 15.2 seconds at 92.0 mph.

    But only about 5% (or fewer) GLS's are sold with the manual transmission - so why didn't the reviewer test the car with the automatic transmission? Strange, don't you think?

    Also the review contains a link to a second opinion by the Lead Senior Editor Ed Hellwig which is 100% positive.

    My advice to anyone shopping for a midsize car - test drive a bunch of them, as I did (Camry, Accord (two test drives), Malibu (two test drives), Fusion, Altima, 2010 Sonata). You'll find that the 2011 Sonata is by far the best car.
  • And I'm buying a 2011 Sonata today.
  • urnewsurnews Posts: 668
    Congratulations Andy From Va
  • mz6greyghostmz6greyghost Posts: 1,230
    If you read the review, the reviewer's main problem was with the manual transmission they tested.

    I did read the review, and I'm questioning which review you read, since he mentioned the manual transmission once, yet mentioned the chassis feel at least a few times, as well as mentioning it in the Bottom Line.

    And congrats on your purchase. It's not on my list due to a few details (lack of V6, lack of manual with SE, bundling moonroof with Nav), but it's still a huge step forward over it's predecessor.
  • dash5dash5 Posts: 418
    edited March 2010
    I think the review he posted was cherry picked and a one off, judging by the main page, which is pretty glowing:

    http://www.edmunds.com/hyundai/sonata/2011/review.html

    What Edmunds.com says

    The previous Sonata was a solid contender, but for 2011, the Hyundai Sonata vaults itself to the top of the class.

    Smooth ride, spacious cabin and trunk, capable handling, impressive value, strong safety scores, lengthy warranty.

    But the 2011 Hyundai Sonata, like a maturing great band that comes into its own, has become worthy of headliner status in the family-sedan arena.

    ll things considered, the latest Sonata manages to stand out in a segment chock full of good choices. It's more fun to drive than the ubiquitous Accord and Camry, and though the Altima, Mazda 6, Chevy Malibu and Ford Fusion are also good picks, the Sonata has the price advantage. With its spirited performance, impressive fuel economy, solid build quality and strong value, we have a feeling that the 2011 Hyundai Sonata will have no problem climbing the charts.
  • chronochrono Posts: 149
    This is pretty amazing IMO -> It's more fun to drive than the ubiquitous Accord and Camry ..
  • It's more fun to drive than the ubiquitous Accord and Camry ..

    Maybe it was attempt at sarcasm?

    Nonetheless it is true.

    I did find the Accord to be a pretty good performer for a midsized car, though its thinly padded front seat and constant road noise were a problem for me. As for the Camry, it was very comfortable but fun to drive it ain't.
  • jimbresjimbres Posts: 2,025
    You'll find that the 2011 Sonata is by far the best car.

    I think that what you meant to say is that the Sonata is by far the best car for you, which, as I'm sure that you'll agree, is the strongest claim that can be made for any car.

    As good as it is - & it is certainly very good - the new Sonata won't get the job done for those buyers who want or need 6 cylinders or AWD.

    I don't have a dog in this hunt because I have no plans to buy a new car until next year at the earliest. I'm merely pointing out the obvious.
  • dash5dash5 Posts: 418
    My High School English teacher told us that unless the writer is stating an objective fact (such as, the earth is round), we should presume it to be their opinion. So the term "in my opinion" is redundant because it's implied. So yeah in his opinion the Sonata is the best car. :)

    For me I think the Sonata hit's a nice spot in the pack of mid sized cars, and does it for a great value.
  • packer3packer3 Posts: 277
    Prisus any one, Monday in CA a highway runaway and just today in NY there was a runaway out of the guys driveway, who is it that said get in touch with reality Toyota is still a great car, I'm sure it was Consumer (in Toyotas pocket)Reports that made the assement. Here is reality check I would recomend people to shy away somewhat from Toyota for a few years.
    Also, who could feel safe buying a used Toyota, I'd be thinking was this one of the cars that they didn't fix?
  • kdshapirokdshapiro Posts: 5,751
    I for one am not worried. As I said earlier I really kind of liked the Camry and am mulling it over.
  • shabadoo25shabadoo25 Posts: 216
    Exactly what the guy in the Prius doing 90 against his will in California said yesterday.
  • kdshapirokdshapiro Posts: 5,751
    edited March 2010
    Um, were you in the passenger seat? Do you *really* know what happened? Do you know why the car was not able to be shut off or put into neutral? Do *you* have the presence of mind to react in a potentially deadly situation? I think there is a big parallel to the "Ouchdi" (Audi) unintended acceleration issues years ago.

    Do you know that you can get killed in any car you drive, even big trucks with the 5.7 liter engine?

    You can go around worrying or you can live.
  • acdiiacdii Posts: 753
    How many here know how to shift a Prius into neutral?
  • mickeyrommickeyrom Posts: 936
    Me..me ... me....do I get a prize?
  • stephen987stephen987 Posts: 1,994
    How many here know how to shift a Prius into neutral?

    Shouldn't everyone who owns or drives one know how to perform this task?
  • m6userm6user Posts: 3,010
    I saw the guy in an interview and heard the taped 911 call. They asked him during the 911 "can you put it in neutral" and he said, after a rather long hesitation, "no". He said in the interview that he didn't put it in nuetral because he wasn't sure how the car would react at that high speed, maybe it could flip.

    I've never driven a Prius at anywhere near that speed so i don't know if it would react substantially different than a normal car. If engine braking is so strong or what. But it sounded like he definitely knew how to put in neutral but decided against it. Now, why he didn't shut the engine down completely I don't know. It wasn't like it was rental or a loaner and he didn't know how. This went on for 30 miles. ????.
  • dash5dash5 Posts: 418
    It's very strange. Seems like all of a sudden we are hearing about these incidents. Really not sure what to think about it.
  • shabadoo25shabadoo25 Posts: 216
    Yeah, and if I had to buy a new car now, I would choose to buy from an automaker that had their act together, and hadn't been lying to the public about their problems for a few years now.

    It's one thing to get hit by a falling building, it's another thing altogether to put yourself in its way when you had other alternatives.
  • plektoplekto Posts: 3,738
    Guys; a moron, then. He obviously thought neutral was reverse, because neutral just disconnects the engine from the transmission. Neutral, get over to the side of the road, and turn off the engine is common practice when your engine is going crazy or you dumped all of your oil suddenly or something similar.

    Or me - I just have to push the clutch in. Heh. I'd buy a manual transmission Toyota without hesitation because even if it does this on me, I can deal with it in a fraction of a second. Probably get it cheap, too, since the massive numbers of automatics will devalue both the manual and automatic versions.
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,704
    Don't get carried away here. He said he didn't want to put it in Neutral for fear that he would overshoot it and hit Reverse and THAT might cause him to wreck. Don't understand why he was so scared though - I would have put it in N immediately.

    Some of these are driver error and are being reported due to the increased visibility, but clearly there are problems out there that Toyota is refusing to even admit exist. That's the troubling part for me and I think it will hurt them in the end.
  • m6userm6user Posts: 3,010
    He said he didn't want to put it in Neutral for fear that he would overshoot it and hit Reverse and THAT might cause him to wreck

    All I heard him say on when he was being interviewed was that he didn't put it in neutral cause he thought it might flip. Did you actually see another interview where he mentioned about reverse or are you assuming that's what he meant? You're probably right cause I can't think of any reason why anybody would think putting it in neutral would make a car flip. Unless there is some kind of huge regenerative engine braking that goes on in Priuses. I'm not that familiar with them.
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,704
    It was reported that way in several news articles including the L.A. Times. I think he panicked so who really knows what happened.
  • avucarguyavucarguy Posts: 56
    Unfortunately, I do not think the man know how to operate his Prius. I have an 07 model, unfortunately the shifter is not like a regular automatic shifter(a bad design on Toyota's part to make it look different). However, all you have to do is push the shifter stick to the left and hold it for one second, and the car will be in neutral. There is no crazy regenerative braking to flip the car over, this is not black magic.
    In any new car, especially these newer car with push button start and hybrids, you need to read the owner's manual on how to operate these more fancy electronics. Don't assume you already know how to use all the features.
    Some people I talk to don't even know if their car is a 4 or 6 cylinder. Many people just know how to add gas and go.
  • kdshapirokdshapiro Posts: 5,751
    Some of these are driver error and are being reported due to the increased visibility, but clearly there are problems out there that Toyota is refusing to even admit exist. That's the troubling part for me and I think it will hurt them in the end.

    Exactly. There may be a problem, but due to the negative media attention some driver related issues will be blamed on the car itself.
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