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Midsize Sedans 2.0

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  • m6userm6user Posts: 2,950
    I did a test drive an Accord a couple of months ago(LX-P I4 auto) and rather liked it. Was somewhat suprized as I have test drove Accords probably 3 times over the last 15 years and never got a warm fuzzy from the tranny and the steering wheel position. Those were not issues in this 08 test drive. However, in reading the reviews I am noting all kinds of creaks and other noises, flickering headlights, poor mpg on the I4s, etc. Just enough to really make me hesitate.

    On another note, I just recieved an email from Mazda with a link to configure the new 09 6 the way I liked it including options and colors. Prices were included but noted to be tentative. Here is one configuration I made.

    MAZDA6 i Touring
    170-hp 2.5L DOHC 16-valve inline 4-cylinder with VVT
    Mileage, City/Hwy (mpg) 22/30 AT
    i Sport model features plus:
    17" alloy wheels
    Fog lights
    8-way driver's power seat & electroluminescent gauges
    Push button ignition start
    Leather-trimmed steering wheel & shift knob
    Trip computer & welcome mode
    Mazda Advanced Keyless Entry System
    Anti-theft security alarm

    The price on this configuration was $23550 which included destination charge. There was no Special Value packages listed.
  • maxamillion1maxamillion1 Posts: 1,467
    post a link so we can all build the new 09 6! I'd be interested in the options avialable for the car.
  • mz6greyghostmz6greyghost Posts: 1,230
    You can't, unfortunately. The link goes to a page related to your specific email address, and once you exit out of the page, it won't allow you back in.
  • maxamillion1maxamillion1 Posts: 1,467
    So do you have to own a Mazda6 or have been added to the Mazdausa.com website for addtional info on the new 6? if its the latter hopefully I'll get an e-mail soon.
  • m6userm6user Posts: 2,950
    I do own a 6 but also registered on the MazdaUSA website to get info on the new 6 so I don't know which took precedence in getting this email or if a combo of both did it. There were only three configurations similar to the way Mazda packages them now. However, the sunroof was broken out so it didn't come automatically with say the Gran Touring pkg per se. Also a stand alone option was the NAV. The package I copied in my previous post was the second tier pkg. The top tier was $26650. The I4 auto sport was $22050.
  • moocow1moocow1 Posts: 230
    Heck I don't think it's just quality that's becoming comparable. The non-Honda-Toyota makers have finally gotten much closer and/or caught up in terms of the car design/features themselves. I'd say a Sonata, Fusion, Malibu, Mazda6, etc are all pretty comparable with some weaknesses and strengths. It's more about specific wants and needs of each individual now...and obviously price. Heck I'd even put Camry behind most other cars, I just don't enjoy the style of Toyotas currently, although I definitely do like some of the Hondas.
  • plektoplekto Posts: 3,733
    I liken Honda and Mazda to the difference between Seiko and Citizen.. The Seiko is essentially the same as the Citizen, but it costs more and has a bit more bling and name brand recognition.

    The smart money is on the Citizen, though, like the Mazda. A Mazda 3, for instance, is literally within a few millimeters of the Civic in terms of size, space, and so on, inside, and the features are literally less than a dozen that are different. Despite the Civic's different sheet metal, the 3 and it are near carbon clones of each other. I know. My sister was looking at both and I went over every bit of data and poked around in both for a solid day. It was basically a "pick one - makes no difference" at the end.

    But Mazdas do cost less, thanks to aggressive financing and rebate offers.
  • moocow1moocow1 Posts: 230
    If we're gonna compare civic vs mazda3, in all honesty, the mazda 3 blows it outta the water. It's got a much better interior and driving dynamics and most reviews will attest to this. I'll note all my friends recently purchased a Mazda3 over a Civic due not to brand, but because it's a better car. It would be like if the Citizen had twice the features of the Seiko. But this is all an aside. I think it's much closer in the Midsize arena than compacts. There is always the whole prestige aspect of any vehicle, I'd consider it just another factor like many others. And the higher the price you're paying, the more you want it :) From what I've seen the prestige of a Mazda is not that far behind a Honda, they're both japanese cars after all. The bigger thing is japanese vs european vs american vs korean.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,681
    I agree with you, there's lots of good options in the mid-sized field now. Many professional reviewers put the Camry (especially the I4) down the stack also. Personally I'd rank (in alpha order) the Accord, Altima, Malibu, Optima, Passat, and Sonata (at least) above the Camry I4, and I think I'd even take a Mazda6 or Milan before the Camry, especially considering the real-world price differential. The Camry V6 is stronger, but still I'd put the Accord, Altima, Malibu, Passat, and Sonata ahead of it. The Camry Hybrid is unique (at least in my area--no Altima Hybrid available here) so it has the advantage for those looking for maximum FE in a mid-sized sedan.
  • maxamillion1maxamillion1 Posts: 1,467
    I'd agree...the current Camry, while competitive is just not what it used to be...or as others have stated the competition has just caught up and surpassed it.

    The current Camry is visually and features-wise WAY more appealing than the "hump backed" looking previous generation Camry.

    One thing I can say that I like about Toyota over Honda is that you do at least get to pick and choose options on various Camry models unlike Honda where features are based around trim levels. It's a great way for many many folks I'm sure but its kinda a pain for others. But again I understand why Honda does it, and it surely been a good formula that has worked for them over the last 30 plus years.

    I wish Honda made bluetooth and XM standard on every Accord above the LX. Same thing with fog lights. Same thing with Nissan (who is even worse than Honda) where you can't get a CD6 without leather or even bluetooth without leather on an Altima, yet the lowly Versa and Sentra allow you to get those combinations.
  • m6userm6user Posts: 2,950
    I wish Honda made bluetooth and XM standard on every Accord above the LX.

    I wish every midsize car has standard bluetooth. It really shouldn't cost that much to install at assembly especially if done in huge quantity--maybe a $100. I could care less about XM though. I think if you did a survey of 100 people you'd probably get 80% for bluetooth and maybe 40-50% for XM. Out of my circle(it's not a huge circle but big enough) of friends and relatives I only know one person that has XM and I'm not sure if that is what he has or if it is Sirrius.
  • maxamillion1maxamillion1 Posts: 1,467
    I personally prefer Sirius myself...but since they seem to be combining soon...I can deal with XM. I like how Chevy is doing the bluetooth option for 09...allowing all but the base model to at least have it...so I'm happy about that. But my younger brother works for a Saturn retailer in the Carolinas and he told me that Saturn had a big dealer meeting and explained that the BT system used on the Aura and Malibu would not be compatible with many of today's phones. Not sure what that means...but we'll find out soon enough when the 09s get here.
  • m6userm6user Posts: 2,950
    I have a bluetooth speaker made by Blueant that clips on the visor. Researched quite a few and this one was high rated and I really like it. No it isn't nearly as cool as having bluetooth built in and coordinated with radio etc. But it does work very well and has outstanding battery life. I mainly use it on longer drives and in areas where handsfree is required. My ultimate test of the device was my father(84yrs old) in Texas couldn't tell I wasn't on my cell when I called him. It only cost about $70.

    I would still rather have built in bluetooth for a reasonalble price though. The system that Hyundai is putting in is nothing more than what I have pretty much. It doesn't sync with the radio to my knowledge. It costs a lot more than mine but then again you don't have to charge it.
  • jaxs1jaxs1 Posts: 2,697
    I have a Blueant now and it works pretty well. The only problem is if you forget to turn if off while the car is in the garage. If you leave it on and don't walk far enough away from the car, the bluetooth connection will not disconnect. The battery can last for weeks between charges, so leaving it on overnight isn't a big deal otherwise.
    Since the Blueant gets the job done, I wouldn't sell my car just to buy a car with built-in bluetooth, but if I'm going to buy a new car anyway, I'd rather get one with that feature.

    There is a new, better version of the Blueant Supertooth coming out that has text to speech Caller-ID and a vibration sensor that will turn itself on based when it senses the vibration of your car door slamming shut. You can also answer calls by voice and not even have to take your hand off the wheel to press any buttons.

    http://www.mycellphoneblog.com/blueant-supertooth-3-bluetooth-speaker/

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  • m6userm6user Posts: 2,950
    I totally agree and thanks for link. I'm going to look into the new Blueant. I wonder if the new unit will turn off when it feels the door close as well? My wife just got a bluetooth phone so I may give her my current Blueant and get the new one. I'll probably wait until I get a new car within the next few months and see if I can get the installed system for a reasonable price.
  • lilengineerboylilengineerboy Posts: 4,116
    I personally prefer Sirius myself...but since they seem to be combining soon...I can deal with XM.

    I can't get myself to pay for the content they have on satellite radio. I don't understand the allure or the value there. I like local news and traffic in the morning, and I like the local classic rock or 80s stations during the rest of the commute. I just can't see paying $120/yr for something that is already free. HD radio has better sound quality than most satellite radio systems, and its free as well.

    I am glad someone has a revenue stream though, the XM revenue stream might help offset the OnStar stuff.

    But my younger brother works for a Saturn retailer in the Carolinas and he told me that Saturn had a big dealer meeting and explained that the BT system used on the Aura and Malibu would not be compatible with many of today's phones.

    Different phone manufacturers (and service providers) define the bluetooth vehicle interface protocol differently. Some phones offer more features and connectivity than others based on that interface. Most of the newer systems (SYNC, MyGig) have someway to update the firmware in the HU as more phones come out, and most phones are being tested with these devices. It should keep getting better as they hammer out a specification for the bluetooth vehicle interface.
  • busirisbusiris Posts: 3,490
    I personally prefer Sirius myself...but since they seem to be combining soon...I can deal with XM.

    I can't get myself to pay for the content they have on satellite radio. I don't understand the allure or the value there.I like local news and traffic in the morning, and I like the local classic rock or 80s stations during the rest of the commute. I just can't see paying $120/yr for something that is already free. HD radio has better sound quality than most satellite radio systems, and its free as well.

    I used to feel the same way, until I bought an 08 Altima with XM radio. Its quite addicting, especially if you spend much time on the road. There are so many choices, from music to talk to comedy, and virtually commercial free. Personally, I see the value, but I understand why others may not view it as worthwhile...

    I am glad someone has a revenue stream though, the XM revenue stream might help offset the OnStar stuff.

    But my younger brother works for a Saturn retailer in the Carolinas and he told me that Saturn had a big dealer meeting and explained that the BT system used on the Aura and Malibu would not be compatible with many of today's phones.


    That's true across the board, but some manufacturers support many more phones than others, and each model may be different within an individual manufacturer.

    For example, my 07 BMW Z4 only supports 4 or 5 phones, all but one Motorola. However, my 08 Altima supports a boatload of Bluetooth phones from many manufacturers.

    I don't know about other manufacturers, but both BMW and Nissan list the compatible phones on their respective web-sites...


    Different phone manufacturers (and service providers) define the bluetooth vehicle interface protocol differently. Some phones offer more features and connectivity than others based on that interface. Most of the newer systems (SYNC, MyGig) have someway to update the firmware in the HU as more phones come out, and most phones are being tested with these devices. It should keep getting better as they hammer out a specification for the bluetooth vehicle interface.

    I absolutely agree with that statement.
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,665
    Sync's bluetooth interface is fantastic. They seem to have done a very complete implementation of the latest bluetooth standards. There are many phones that support all features. The ones that don't need to be upgraded by the mfr/service provider. At least with Sync so far it's always been the phone's firmware that was lacking. However, should Sync ever need an update it can be accomplished with a computer download to a USB thumb drive.

    We got an Edge last Saturday - my wife paired her phone in just a few minutes, including downloading the entire address book. She then hit the phone button and said "call Chris" - and it did. I sent her a text message and Sync read the message out loud, including translating "LOL" to "laughing out loud". Not to mention voice control of her iPod. What a great product!
  • m6userm6user Posts: 2,950
    Sync's bluetooth interface is fantastic

    Come on Mazda, press Ford to let you put SYNC in the new 6.
  • urnewsurnews Posts: 668

    We got an Edge last Saturday ...

    Congratulations Allen. What did you trade? Did you keep the Fusion or is it an MKZ you have (had)? Tell us more.
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