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Midsize Sedans 2.0

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  • jeffyscottjeffyscott Posts: 3,855
    In addition to the Prius the following are midsize according to EPA:

    Nissan Versa
    Nissan Sentra
    Hyundai Elantra
    Kia Spectra
    Dodge Caliber
    (Apparently Nissan makes only midsize cars, as the Altima and Maxima are also midsize)

    In a new EPA approved Midsize Sedan forum 3.0, these cars would be included and "large" cars such as the Accord and Sonata would be kicked out and have to find a place in the EPA approved large car forum.
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    Call me crazy, but comparing cars that are similar in price, purpose, power, and size (yes, including the stragglers of the class, Accord, G6, Sonata, etc) make a lot more sense than bringing in vehicles costing sometimes only 40% of what midsize cars in the classic sense actually cost.

    Surely you agree that including the Sonata and Accord and excluding the Versa, Caliber, etc. makes for a more useful thread than if it were the other way around?
  • mz6greyghostmz6greyghost Posts: 1,230
    Call me crazy, but comparing cars that are similar in price, purpose, power, and size (yes, including the stragglers of the class, Accord, G6, Sonata, etc) make a lot more sense than bringing in vehicles costing sometimes only 40% of what midsize cars in the classic sense actually cost.

    Not crazy at all. In fact, despite the EPA's "classification", the vast majority think of cars such as the Camry, Accord, Altima, and Sonata when the word "midsize" is used. Not the Versa, Elantra, and Prius.

    Let's stick with what works, shall we?
  • jeffyscottjeffyscott Posts: 3,855
    Oh, I absolutely agree...sarcasm was my intent there.

    I'm pointing out the silliness (IMO) of using EPAs classifications. We could have a forum just to compare the 4 Nissan midsizes. Hmm...let's see should I buy a Versa or a Maxima, they are both midsizes and I just can not decide between them ;) .
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    There are only minor differences after all. Both have a CVT. One just happens to have 168 more horses than the other. Other than that they might as well be the same, right? :P
  • fushigifushigi Posts: 1,218
    "I'm pointing out the silliness (IMO) of using EPAs classifications."

    What other classification systems exist that you would recommend? Only classifications from a regulatory entity or standards body should apply, as individual standards - such as what you're trying to impose on the forum - would never be widely accepted. Also, as this is predominantly a US-based forum, the standards organization should be US-based, i.e. EU standards wouldn't be applicable.
  • m6userm6user Posts: 2,898
    It's mostly US based but common definitions determined by common sense have seemed to serve the forum and all users well over the years. Some could argue base price ranges would be a good way to catagerize instead of EPA size. This would virtually eliminate ridiculous discussions such as Versa vs. Maxima.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,632
    You may find it silly, but as I am lining up candidates for my next car I am comparing alternatives such as the Optima, Sonata... and Elantra. They all have sufficient interior room, safety equipment, and power for my needs. The fact that the Elantra is about 10 inches shorter is irrelevant--although actually I see it as a plus.

    I have no problem keeping this grouping as it is (although we need to remember others that cannot be listed here due to technical constraints, e.g. Optima, Milan, and Galant). But considering a car because it has mid-sized interior room, even though it's not mid-sized in length or width or hp or some other measure, is not "silly" IMO.
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    I think the "silly" part is to suggest taking cars OUT of the comparison that are mainstream midsize cars even though they trip over the requirement (or miss it slightly).

    Perhaps this should be called the "Mainstream Midsize Sedan Comparison" to compliment the "Mainstream Large Sedan Comparison."
  • moocow1moocow1 Posts: 230
    And like we discussed earlier, some "mid-sized interiors" are not mid-size for real purposes. I think the Elantra is actually a legit mid-size, but many other designs are not. Either way I think a combination of mid-size to large interior and mid-size exterior are a good definition that covers most of the cars here. Obviously a little leeway toward other cars should be fine. The exterior and wheelbase do matter for a car, not just the interior. Maybe what we also need is a "roomy compact exterior" thread ;)
  • jeffyscottjeffyscott Posts: 3,855
    as I am lining up candidates for my next car I am comparing alternatives such as the Optima, Sonata... and Elantra.

    Sorry, but...so what? Just because you think a car may meet your needs does not make it midsize. When I was shopping, I considered the RX-8 and the Ford 500 (now Taurus) along with several midsize cars.

    The very definition you seem to want to use pushes the Sonata and Optima to "large". Seems like you agree with edmunds common sense classification scheme, when it includes those two cars in the mid-size category, but dismiss it when it excludes others.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,632
    You are putting words into my mouth. This has really gone far beyond the comment I made about the fact that some small cars have mid-sized interiors.

    Also, check your facts. The EPA classes the Optima as a mid-sized car. Sonata (and Accord) are barely full-sized on the EPA scheme. This is what makes classifying cars by size difficult. Cars are growing in size over the years. The Accord, for example, used to be "compact" based on interior and exterior size. Now it's full-sized!

    Obviously "at least mid-sized interior room" was not one of your criterion when you looked at cars. It was for me. That is all I was trying to say. I am not fixated on exterior size when it comes to cars. Passenger (and cargo) space is what's important. In fact, I drove a vehicle last week that is subcompact sized in length but has full-sized interior room and cargo space, and my wife and I loved the space efficiency of it.

    You have your needs and wants, I have mine. Let's be respectful of each other's opinions, OK?
  • elroy5elroy5 Posts: 3,741
    I considered the RX-8 and the Ford 500 (now Taurus) along with several midsize cars.

    This is an odd combination. They have about as much in common as an oil tanker, and a bass boat. Either you need four doors and a big interior, or you don't. You must have been really confused at the time. ;)
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    Sounds like my folks when they were shopping for a second car. Top 3 on their list?

    A Nissan Versa, a Ford Taurus ('08), and a Hyundai VeraCruz.

    The took the Taurus.

    They really had no idea what they wanted, but took my suggestion in driving the Ford, and are happy with it! :)
  • moocow1moocow1 Posts: 230
    Imho, bizarre cross shopping is awesome. People's wants sometimes fly around in crazy directions. Personally my cross shop was from compact hatchbacks like Fits to large interior mid-sizers like Accords. All of them would work for me in the need category. The wants are all the difference. I think people who shop for mid-size tend to be willing to look around a bit because economy mid-size sedans are a pretty bland and standard bunch. Of course the luxury boys are more interesting *cough m3*
    I love that someone crossed a compact hatch, a large boat, and a near-lux suv. We need more crazy shopping!
  • madpistolmadpistol Posts: 126
    lol. I cross shopped Camry, Accord, Altima, and RAV4 V6. I didn't even think to look at the Rogue, and I hated the way the new CRV looks.
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,623
    Back in 99 I cross shopped a Mercury Cougar, Ford Mustang and Lincoln LS. Ended up with the LS.

    Why do you assume that anyone who doesn't think like you do is confused or misguided?
  • jeffyscottjeffyscott Posts: 3,855
    Either you need four doors and a big interior, or you don't.

    I don't really need anything in particular at this point. My needs could have been met by a(nother) $3000-4000 beater, which I also considered.

    There are times when it would be nice to provide a sofa for the back seat passengers and there are times when it would be fun to drive an RX-8. It is all about trade-offs.

    I'm pretty sure if you mated a 500/Taurus with an RX-8, the result would be something like the Mazda6 :D ...so it all makes perfect sense.

    You must have been really confused at the time. ;)

    Oh, I still am...no need to use the past tense there :) .
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