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Midsize Sedans 2.0

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  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,624
    What do you consider "mainstream"? The Optima, for example, outsold the Aura, Mazda6, Milan, and Passat last month--most of those by a large margin. Even the Galant is only 3,000 units behind the Passat YTD. Is mainstream only Accord, Camry, Altima, Fusion, Malibu, and Sonata?
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,624
    Well, if it's any consolation, I believed you. :)

    I was getting 37+ mpg on that Milan I4 AT on the highway on my trip, so I can certainly see an Accord getting 38 mpg on the highway under certain conditions.
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,622
    Is mainstream only Accord, Camry, Altima, Fusion, Malibu, and Sonata?

    To me - yes. Not trying to imply anything except the frame of reference for my statements.
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    I was getting 37+ mpg on that Milan I4 AT on the highway on my trip, so I can certainly see an Accord getting 38 mpg on the highway under certain conditions.

    The "certain conditions" are what are so important. You can't get such mileage at 80 MPH with 4 people and the A/C cranked, running with winter blend 10% Ethanol.

    You CAN however at 70mph, alone, A/C, with the cruise set.

    I'm convinced that 90% of people could improve their economy by an easy 10% if they'd do nothing but drive when in the car; paying attention to lights and how fast they NEEDED to accelerate, not how fast they have to accelerate to be at the front of the pack on the six lane highway.
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,622
    And for city driving - coasting whenever possible. You'd be surprised how much you can coast if you start paying attention.

    But let's not go overboard and start hyper-miling - pushing the car, taking corners too fast, coasting well below the speed limit and flow of traffic.
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    I can honestly say my numbers are always achieved by going AT LEAST the limit.

    Coasting, as you said, is a HUGE factor. For example, if I'm on the 5-lane (2 each way with a turn-lane) road near my home that has a 45 mph limit, and I see the light turn red well in advance. I'm not against coasting down to 30 mph before I eventually have to apply the brake as I approach the intersection. If I have people riding my tail , they have another lane to go around (I'm a right-lane renegade), as there is no point in ACCELERATING or driving 45-50mph up until it is time to brake.
  • joe97joe97 Posts: 2,248
    Perhaps gearing?

    What's more puzzling is the V6:

    The 3.6 with the 6 speed is far inferior in terms of MPG than the 3.5 with a 4 speed :confuse:
  • sandman46sandman46 Posts: 1,798
    What kind of cars does Hertz rent in their mid sized Mazda 6 size? Getting this size from them in 2 weeks and was hoping they'd consider the Sonata in the same class. Since I'll have the car for a week, really want to try out the '09 Sonata and put it through it's paces. Wouldn't mind a Ford Fusion either. Hopefully I'll have a choice when i go to pick it up. I need a back friendly car and have been upgraded with Alamo and Avis in the past for free. Just wondering what Hertz has in their stables on a regular basis.

    The Sandman :)
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,624
    Cars may vary by location, but I've seen Camrys, Mazda6s, Fusions, Milans, Accords (!), Optimas, and Sonatas at Hertz. I have seen some 2009 Sonatas. Best thing to do is call the Hertz site you'll be renting from and confirm what they have in their fleet, and ask for a specific model.
  • moocow1moocow1 Posts: 230
    I certainly don't agree with those being the only mainstream. Mainstream sedans should include all sedans that are in the same mid-size budget range to compare against. It's not like these cars have any major differences between something like an optima vs passat vs altima. They're all similar types of vehicles, the details make all the difference.
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTPosts: 9,448
    i wouldn't focus too much on the epa numbers. real world can be very different.
    odometers are not always accurate either(cough*honda*cough). ;)
  • oldcemoldcem Posts: 309
    I'm driving an 08 Saturn Aura 3.5 for my business travels. I typically cruise at 70 - 75 on the interstates and the car has always averaged slightly better MPG that its EPA rating of 30 highway. At interstate speeds this thing only turns 2000 RPM and has enough suds that it doesn't downshift on hills much.

    Regards:
    Oldengineer
  • elroy5elroy5 Posts: 3,741
    If you can beat the epa estimates with one car, chances are you can beat them with another. It mostly depends on driving habits. For each driver who does better than the estimates, there is another who would not, driving the same car. "Real World" is only real, if it's YOUR world. I don't do things that I know will waste gas, but it's not the main objective while I'm driving. I check my mileage once in a while, just to make sure it's not dropping. I think checking the mileage for every tank is unnecessary.
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,622
    I certainly don't agree with those being the only mainstream.

    Who said you had to? Those are what I consider to be mainstream midsize sedans and I was only using them in the context of what I used for comparison. I was not suggesting that was anyone else's definition.
  • kdshapirokdshapiro Posts: 5,751
    On strengths of the Accord and Civic, according to news summaries I've seen. So much for the naysaying Honda is going down the tubes.
  • jeffyscottjeffyscott Posts: 3,855
    odometers are not always accurate either(cough*honda*cough).

    Interesting...I never even thought of that as a possible source of error.

    OTOH, I do agree with elroy that "Real World" is only real, if it's YOUR world :) .

    One person might regularly drive 80 on the freeway and another only 55, they will report drastically different mpg.

    "City" driving varys so much depeding not only on the driver, but on how city-ish your city is. NYC is a city and so is Des Moines...I'm guessing average mpg in those two real world cities would be quite different even for the same driver.
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,622
    My "city" mileage on my daily 11 mile commute can vary from 18 to 24 depending on temperature, traffic and traffic light timing.
  • m6userm6user Posts: 2,897
    One person might regularly drive 80 on the freeway and another only 55, they will report drastically different mpg.

    I agree when you are comparing only two people. I think that it is kind of like the old 80/20 rule. 20% will drive at the extremes(55/80) the other 80% will drive around 5 over the limit. As you look through the mpg forums it seems like most people are driving around 65-75. That's the type of driving I do on the interstate and I consider myself to be pretty much in the norm and with the flow of traffic.
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    for 18736 incl everything, except nj tax and plates/registration ( which ill get on my own)

    good deal or not? please advice
  • jeffyscottjeffyscott Posts: 3,855
    I don't disagree and certainly when comparing uncongested interstate driving there are far fewer variables than any other types of driving.
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