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https://www.toyota.com/camry/camry-features/
For instance, the 2018 Camry LE has "Safety Sense" as standard, which includes pre-collision pedestrian detection, lane departure alert with steering assist, automatic high beams, and Dynamic radar cruise control. Most of that stuff I personally feel mixed about, but the last feature is something that I'd like—and it was only available on high-priced Lexus models just a few years ago.
The 2018 Camry LE also has 17" tires with alloy wheels standard, Toyota's Entune 3.0 with navi w/7" display, 8-way power driver's seat, 60/40 split folding rear seat, "wood" interior trim, 4 window auto up/down, led illuminated glove box, etc.
That's pretty impressive for the entry-level model. Although in fact, strangely, in about 5 months, for $500 less, you'll be able to get the even more base L model, which eliminates the power seat and other stuff to save weight and costs, ultimately boosting mpg a little. I think very few people are going to get the L...
In terms of equipment on the 2018 Accord LX, we don't have quite the same level of detail, and we don't know the pricing yet, but I very much doubt it'll be more than $400 more than the Camry LE. But there is a lot of info at Honda's site:
http://hondanews.com/releases/dramatic-design-of-reimagined-2018-honda-accord-signals-new-direction-for-america-s-retail-best-selling-midsize-sedan
Every 2018 Accord is going to have HondaSensing, which is mostly similar to Toyota's "Safety Sense." Honda's radar cruise control system is maybe a little bit better than Toyota's. Looks like Toyota has a basic system for the lower levels of trim, and then a fancier system that can deal with lower speeds on the upper trims and with option packages. Honda has the standard low speed cruise across the line.
But the big win for Honda here is standard AndroidAuto/Apple CarPlay, which Toyota strangely doesn't offer. The Accord LX is almost certainly not going to offer a power seat, but ultimately have lived with AndroidAuto in my 2016 Accord for a year, and loving it, I think that Toyota really missed the boat here, handing Honda a significant competitive advantage. Also, Honda is giving at standard 8" display for this on the base model, while Toyota only gives 8 inches on the upper trim.
I think the 2018 Accord beats the 2018 Camry on interior features because of AndroidAuto/Apple CarPlay. And if you need a power seat for your Accord, you can always step up to a higher model to get it. But even the top of the line Camry will still have "Entune."
Wish Honda would release the actual features content. Not sure which models will have BLIS, which seems to be the only questionable item (possibly XM too I guess), though the 1.5l Sport might still skimp on features. The EX Accord should pretty much have everything important though (pending answering the BLIS question).
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"One user-interfacepalm: No Apple CarPlay or Android Auto availability. Toyota is feuding with both software companies for refusing to fully disclose the workings and security protocols of their back-end programming—so it developed its own app, called Scout GPS. It works in conjunction with Toyota’s Entune app to bring phone-based navigation along with the typical music streaming, news, stock, sports, and other apps to lower-level infotainment systems. (Top trims get embedded navigation.) The shortcomings: Your phone must be tethered via both Bluetooth and the cord and needs the Scout app live on the screen; there’s no easy way to push an address from your phone to Scout. It’s also a subscription service (free for three years then $25 per year)."
http://www.motortrend.com/cars/toyota/camry/2018/2018-toyota-camry-first-drive-review/
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The kids' dog was sniffing around the left front of the car and even tried to get under it, so we decided to open the hood. Surprise!
A 2017 Fusion.
HA HA! A real sleeper.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iVN4B-_qRpM
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While I think the current Fusion still looks better than either the new Camry or Accord it's going on 7 years with no visual changes to speak of which isn't going to help dwindling sales. People like new and different things.
Mark Fields really screwed this up. The new management understands the problem and is moving to fix it but it will still be a couple of years to catch up.
In the meantime there should be some killer deals on Fusions which are still great cars with all the new features except auto emergency braking (still a headscratcher why Ford hasn't rolled that out on more vehicles).
Camry actual resembles the sonata design quite a bit.
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The 2017 Fusion with the standard engine is rated 25 mpg combined, which is where the Honda Accord was about 10 years ago. Even with the optional 1.5 turbo the Fusion gets only 27.
The 2017 Accord with the standard engine and CVT is rated at 30 mpg combined.
The new 2018 Camry with the all-new "Dynamic Force" engine and 8-speed automatic transmission is rated 32 mpg combined.
The real world savings aren't huge, but depending on how much you drive the Fusion might cost you c. $400 a year more to gas up than the new Camry.
But, since you can probably get a comparably equipped Fusion for maybe $4000 less than a Camry, it's unlikely you'll ever save enough during ownership to make that alone worthwhile. But the style, features, etc. might do it.
Last time I had a Fusion as a rental about 5 years ago, with the base 2.5 engine, I was shocked at how loud and unrefined it sounded. It almost sounded like animals being tortured under the hood when you floored it. Made me appreciate my Honda's engine a lot more.
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What's going to be also interesting is acceleration. The Camry "Dynamic Force" 2.5 is rated at 203 hp, while the new Accord's 1.5 turbo is rated at 192. But the turbo has more torque at a lower rpm level.
And then there's weight. The 2018 Camry base LE comes in at 3296 pounds, which is pretty good, but the comparable 2018 Accord LX is apparently going to weigh c. 3100 flat—which is the lightest of all midsize cars. The 2018 Accord has dropped by more than 100 pounds compared to the 2017 Accord. Anyway, the almost 200 pounds of additional weight the 2018 Camry has compared to the 2018 Accord might also make a difference in terms of acceleration and mpg.
My brother has one though with the 2.5 and I couldn't agree more. He wanted the 1.5 but they claimed they couldn't knock enough off sticker, even with incentives to meet him at his target. Ironic considering they opened the vault for me.
I like the Club Sport the 2er so much I'm really not looking to replace it; if I had to I'd either go with an M2, Focus RS or perhaps the upcoming 2018 Mustang GT(a 2017 would be a lateral move at best). My bride of 31 years-bless her heart-doesn't bat an eye at my automotive pursuits(although she recently told me that she was glad I didn't buy the Plum Crazy Challenger SRT I once looked at). If forced to be practical I'd probably wind up with a GTI Sport or a Fiesta ST with the mountune MP215 upgrade. 0-60 in the low sixes is a minimum requirement for me. AS I like to say, growing old is inevitable, but growing up is optional...
Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport; 2020 C43; 2021 Sahara 4xe 1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica Wife's: 2015 X1 xDrive28i Son's: 2009 328i; 2018 330i xDrive
After almost 11 months with my Jetta SE and its meager 150HP 1.4T, I don't think I could ever go back to a naturally aspirated engine again. The torque is just too seductive (184 ft/lb for my Jetta), and, at altitude, there isn't as much of a drop off in performance with a forced induction engine.
Ironically, given the stats posted earlier, the pounds per HP for both the Camry and Accord are almost identical (16.24 for the Camry; 16.15 for the Accord). I doubt that 90% of the buying population would even notice the difference, if driven back to back.
Also, the lack of Apple CarPlay in the Camry is a serious detriment; I love CP in my Jetta, and just dropped my XM subscription.
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The mini had serious scoot. Did not even need a downshift to pull hard.
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I was wrong about the standard AndroidAuto etc. screen size for the Accord. Seemingly lower level models get 7". What we've seen pictured are the upper-level 8" models.
Push-button start/smart entry appears to be standard even on the LX. Currently you need an EX to get that.
Fuel tank goes down from 17 gals to 14.8. That seems small. But with rear leg room going up by almost 2 inches, and the trunk going up by almost a foot, I guess something had to give. And, we can assume, they are counting on an increase in mpg. Still, with my current Accord I can get c. 500 miles on the highway—and still have a couple of gallons left over. I don't think that'll be possible on the 2018 Accord.
It looks like 17" tires with alloy wheels are standard. Currently the LX gets 16". Seems maybe too good to be true? This is preliminary.
Low speed follow cruise is standard. Optional on Camry.
LED tail lights are standard.
As to visibility, hard to tell from pictures. That I need to see in person. But common theme now in all cars is lousy rear and side 1/4 view.
I expected tank size to drop, but not that much. Annoys me too. They did the same thing in the civic, and the CRV. CRV is especially bad (I think 14.1?) because that won't come close to getting the same real world mileage as the sedans. But, if the Accord can pull a legit 30 around town and 40 highway, should be workable. I do like the big tank on the Sonata, and the passat was a camel. Easy to see 550-600 range on the TC after a fill up. I was assuming Accord might drop to about 16 though.
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Anything over 400 to a tank would be a good range for highway use.
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http://hondanews.com/releases/dramatic-design-of-reimagined-2018-honda-accord-signals-new-direction-for-america-s-retail-best-selling-midsize-sedan
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Look at the rear windows of the 2018 Accord—no more "Hofmeister kink":
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hofmeister_kink
There's a reason BMW has kept with this kind of design for c. 60 years, while almost everything else has changed—and part of it is great rearward visibility.
That little window in the back of the Accord's driver side, in the rear, looks functional from the outside. But I've been in cars like that, and the reality is that from the driver's seat you can't see out of those windows because of the pillars. Now maybe because the 2018 Accord's rear window is a little larger than others, and maybe because the pillars are maybe slightly thinner, perhaps this window is useful from the driver's seat? But I doubt it.
So, most of us will want or need Blind Spot monitoring, which the 2018 Accord will have on some trim levels. This is the major let-down for me for the 2018 Accord. Of course, my 2016 Accord still has plenty of life to it. But I was considering trading in my wife's 2013 Accord in maybe a few years...and now we'll probably consider the Camry because of this.
But if you've been used to an Accord with great visibility all around—that appears to be gone for 2018.
On the road trips to CA, the drive to Grand Junction is 265 miles; to Green River, UT, another 100 miles on top of that. After that, there is about a 110 mile stretch where there are *no* services, so even with a 500 mile range, there is no way I'd do that last bit with a quarter tank showing.
And, that distance takes you over a couple of 10,000+ elevation passes, which hurts fuel economy.
Richfield, UT - which we've used for overnight stops in the past - is just under 500 miles from our house.
But, we've gone all the way to St. George, UT (652 miles), Mesquite, NV (690 miles), or Las Vegas (771 miles) in a single day. Two tanks minimum, sometimes 3, depending on what we were driving.
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The 1.5 turbo makes good real world power, but not a drag racer.
My wife and I took about 150 mile round trip a couple of weekends ago. MPG readout is currently 34+.
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