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Midsize Sedans 2.0

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  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,628
    Maybe not completely through with the Optima, but they are so darn rare with ABS (and ESC), new or used, that it is like the proverbial needle in a haystack. So I've pretty much lost hope of finding one. The Mazda6, Fulan, Sonata, even the Elantra, are good alternatives (talking "slightly used" cars here), and all have at least ABS standard.

    Just found a very sharp Elantra GLS AT with low miles, moonroof, and my favorite color for the Elantra, carbon grey. Price is pretty good, but not low enough compared to the 2007 Mazda6i VE I found. We'll see...
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTPosts: 9,451
    the high powered v6 popular sedans are becoming less popular as 4cyl and better transmissions/hybrids become more available.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,628
    If money talks and used car prices are any indication, I'm finding often that the I4 sedans cost more than comparable V6 versions now. :surprise:
  • oldcemoldcem Posts: 309
    You might consider the Saturn Aura. ABS, ESC, and Traction Control are standard on the 08's. The model they dropped for 09 - the XE 3.5 - gets excellent fuel economy and has 219 HP on tap.

    Regards:
    OldCEM
  • As far as reliability, which motor is superior, the 2.0 or the 2.3? I know the 2.5 l4 in the new Mazda6 is a bored out 2.3 that is used in the Mazda3. I am considering buying a Mazda3 but need to find out which is the best engine....not looking for gas milage; looking for longevity/reliability. tyvm :shades:
  • stephen987stephen987 Posts: 1,994
    I'm pretty sure the 2.0 is the same engine as well. So they should be equivalent in longevity. But really, isn't the Mazda3 a compact, rather than a midsize?
  • Question. When considering the rentals, where does the warranty come into play for any of the vehicles? i.e. like Hyundai 5yr 60K.. what is covered?

    van
  • tyvm for info. Yes it isn't a midsize but can not find anyone that will give info in the Mazda3 area. Therefore, I am forced to ask here. Again, tyvm. :shades:
  • Give the "Economy Sedans ($16k-$20k)" Forum a try. I know I have a watch on that one, I imagine many do.

    Here are links to that, and another you may find interesting. I'd love to get these two topics cranked up again; I'll join you at these links if you'll post there instead of here. I'm sure others will as well. :)

    Civic vs. Corolla vs. 3 Forum

    Economy Sedans (16k-$20k)
  • jeffyscottjeffyscott Posts: 3,855
    2007 Mazda6i VE 5AT...ABS with traction but no ESC.

    I chose that same version of the Mazda6 as a new car. In the end, since a number of cars were acceptable, it kind of came down to the reasons that you give:

    The Mazda6i is a lot more fun to drive...Looks-wise there is no contest either.

    I also think the 5 speed automatic is an advantage over having only 4 and while ESC would have been nice, as someone else pointed out the Mazda6 does have great handling and braking.

    Might it be easier to resell the Mazda6? Potential buyers may tend to assume, rightly or wrongly that any Japanese namplate = reliability.
  • Having a hard time selecting between 2 used cars.

    2004 Accord EX, cloth, 69K miles, one owner and well maintained

    2007 Elantra GLS with good options, 30K miles, prior rental car

    Close in price. Accord is a bit "more car" that we need, but think we will be getting a more reliable car. We are car keepers. This one will be the second car, and used mainly for short distance commuting.

    Like the newer safety features on the Elantra, and see that initial quality has improved. Stats on long term reliability (from CR) are not impressive.

    Clearly not apples to apples..and that is what makes it tricky!
  • "Rental" for the Elantra is what scares me, for you. The Elantra is a good car, but with a different driver every week, it would scare me a little; as rentals take a good deal of abuse.

    I'll go ahead and say I'm biased since I own a 2006 Accord EX cloth (4-cylinder) and love it; great mileage for the power it has, and it handles beautifully. That said, the Elantra has benefits too, as you've noted!

    If it were me, I'd do a carfax on the Honda and make sure it hasn't been wrecked; have a mechanic look it over, and go with that one. That's just personal perspective, of course.

    Does the Honda have service records?
  • Yeah, here you on the rental. That is why I'm not sold on the Elantra. Though, we've got a 94 Mitsh LR-V still in the extended family that was a rental and has held up well. I suppose we are thinking that the warranty will offer some protection. Is that a good way to think about it?

    Carfax on the Honda is clean. Service records available..though doesn't mean major repairs have been pulled out. Serviced at dealer and at private mechanic.

    We have a young child...so the side curtain air bags in the Elantra are appealing. Also, the Elantra seems to ride "higher". Our other car is an 07 CR-V, so the Accord would take some getting used to.

    Seems minor..but the Accord is ~2 feet longer than the CR-V. We do lots of parralel parking, so those 24 inches will be noticed!

    Better half is biased to a Honda..quality perspective..though some of the talk on the Honda forums have me feeling a bit cautious about relying on the Honda reputation.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,628
    So do you know where I can get a 2008 Aura in excellent condition with low miles for around $12k? That's the price range the other cars are in that I am looking at.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,628
    As far as Hyundais go, if the car was originally a rental and not owned by anyone else yet (I have been told auctioneers and dealers don't count), then the remainder of the 5/60k bumper-to-bumper warranty transfers to the 2nd owner.
  • stephen987stephen987 Posts: 1,994
    Of the cars that are generally perceived as belonging to the "compact" class (Civic, Mazda3, Corolla, Elantra, et al), my impression (based on what I've read) is that the Elantra comes closest to mimicking the feel of a larger car. If that's good, then this comparison is particularly apt, because that generation of Accord was one of the more nimble members of the midsize class (though not quite up to Mazda6 levels). Also, I think the fuel economy will be comparable.

    As I understand it, the Hyundai warranty only runs to 5 years/60k miles for secondhand purchasers, and there are some tales out there that suggests Hyundai has a pretty broad interpretation of "normal wear and tear," so the warranty might not provide as much protection as desired. On the other hand, the only "warranty" you get on the Honda is the name itself, and that's not 100% bankable either.

    My biggest problem with Hyundai isn't the cars--on the whole, they seem to be very competitive in their respective classes. It's the dealer network--while there are improvements afoot, too many Hyundai dealers are still peddling the cars as a sideline to a used-car business. Moreover, here in central Georgia we've gone from having one Hyundai dealer to having four, to having two, to having three, all within the last two years. The franchise moves around so much it might as well have a prepaid cell as its only phone line. So service is somewhat questionable, even though you have the factory warranty.

    So I'd be inclined to go with the Accord, despite wanting Hyundai to succeed.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,628
    ...there are some tales out there that suggests Hyundai has a pretty broad interpretation of "normal wear and tear,"...

    Could you please elaborate, with some examples? I've never had a problem having a reasonable warranty claim (and even some that were a bit of a stretch) honored by Hyundai with the two cars I've owned over the past 8 years.
  • Better half is biased to a Honda..quality perspective..though some of the talk on the Honda forums have me feeling a bit cautious about relying on the Honda reputation.

    Just remember, only the people who actually have problems will report. Those that have nothing to report don't typically say "no problems here" and move on. For every problem report there will be lots more people who don't have them to report. This will be true for all makes on the boards.

    Also, I'm not sure how long you've been around, but oddly, Honda boards seem to get more hits than those from Toyota, Hyundai, Ford etc... or so it seems to me anyway.

    We have a young child...so the side curtain air bags in the Elantra are appealing. Also, the Elantra seems to ride "higher". Our other car is an 07 CR-V, so the Accord would take some getting used to.

    Seems minor..but the Accord is ~2 feet longer than the CR-V. We do lots of parralel parking, so those 24 inches will be noticed!


    That is important to consider; depending on the area you parallel in, the Elantra may actually be the better choice. Don't forget to consider outward visibility, too.

    Carfax on the Honda is clean. Service records available..though doesn't mean major repairs have been pulled out. Serviced at dealer and at private mechanic.

    I raised the question to ask how it was maintained. If you can see that it received the proper maintenance items (fluid changes in a timely manner, etc) that'd be a little more comforting. The Elantra being a rental, I think it is safe to assume this was done on the Hyundai, also. Both cars should be relatively low maintenance, however. And, if there WAS a major repair, a mechanic's inspection should be able to point that out.

    I'm just trying to think out loud with you... hope it helps a little. :shades:

    TheGrad
  • Thanks, TheGrad. Very helpful. As for the maintenance records..thanks for the further explanation. I talked over maintenance with the owner, but didn't do a detailed review of the records. His version is yes, maintenance done on schedule, with the caveat that not all oil changes were done strictly every 3500 miles.

    Need to go deeper on the maintenance records, for sure. :surprise:
  • tyvm thegraduate for info. I did as you requested...in both forums. Hopefully, you can give me some expert info. :shades:
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