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Midsize Sedans 2.0

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  • bwiabwia Boston Posts: 1,055
    Kbb rated the best selling midsize sedans and posted the results in a sleek 14-minute video to its website. http://www.kbb.com/kbb/NewsAndReviews/VideoLibrary.aspx?WebAssetId=2000000061&Pl- - - aySlideShow=true

    Their rating and analysis are pretty much on target except that I would have rated the bloated and apathetic Accord as #3. Here is Kbb’s final rating:
    #6. Ford Fusion
    #5. Toyota Camry
    #4. Hyundai Sonata
    #3. Nissan Altima
    #2. Honda Accord
    #1. Chevy Malibu
  • kdshapirokdshapiro Posts: 5,751
    I would still get an Accord over all of those others. My perception is the Accord is still best in class.
  • kdshapirokdshapiro Posts: 5,751
    I would still get an Accord over all of those others. My perception is the Accord is still best in class.
  • The all new Mazda6 is going to win a lot of awards you all, just wait and see!!! :shades:
  • jeffyscottjeffyscott Posts: 3,855
    not all oil changes were done strictly every 3500 miles.

    Changing oil every 3500 miles is excessive, is that actually the Honda's recomended oil change interval?
  • jeffyscottjeffyscott Posts: 3,855
    If money talks and used car prices are any indication, I'm finding often that the I4 sedans cost more than comparable V6 versions now.

    For my Mazda6, if KBB is to be believed, the difference in price (private party value) is now only $100 between the V6 and the I4. I believe at the time of purchase it was about $2000 more for the V6.

    Edmunds still shows a $1300 difference...but that is down from the nearly $2000 that they were showing just about 3 weeks ago. (See post #10685)

    Clearly the trend is toward higher prices for I4's and lower for V6's.
  • For 2004 4-cyl models, it is 5,000 miles for "severe conditions" and 10,000 miles for "normal conditions."

    My maintenance minder on my 2006 4-cylinder Accord sends me in around 7,000 miles or so.
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTPosts: 9,442
    good video.
    here is my ranking:
    1. ford fusion

    6. everything else (no awd) :P
  • elroy5elroy5 Posts: 3,741
    Changing oil every 3500 miles is excessive, is that actually the Honda's recomended oil change interval?

    If it's a V6 model, the intervals (before Maintenance Minder) were 3,750=severe, and 7,500 for normal. You can call it excessive, but I call it cheap insurance against sludge. The oil in the V6 gets pretty dirty at 3,000 miles. Of course, I'm not paying someone else to change it, so I can easily afford to change it more often.
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTPosts: 9,442
    where i bought my fusion, the dealer has free oil changes for life. the sticker they put in the window adds 3k to the mileage at the oil change. :confuse:
    i plan on bringing it in every 5k. i get the tires rotated at the same time.
  • elroy5elroy5 Posts: 3,741
    I also rotate my own tires, so I can clean the back side of the wheels/tires, and check the brake pads at the same time. Do they do this free too? What is the (severe conditions) interval for oil changes on a Fusion?
  • where i bought my fusion, the dealer has free oil changes for life

    Same thing with my Sebring - free lifetime oil changes and tire rotation. I just have to purchase the filter. They originally were changing it every 3,000 miles (the heavy duty service interval in the owner's manual).

    However, some bean counter must have thought of a way to save the dealership money and now they will only change it every 6,000 miles, which is the regular duty interval in my manual. I'll change it myself every other oil change.
  • oldcemoldcem Posts: 309
    They made the car in 07 as well. Check with the dealers around you. I bought mine brand new in March this year for $19K with 0% financing to boot. These guys are hungry - go play "Let's make a deal with them." You might get lucky.
  • oldcemoldcem Posts: 309
    OK Backy - Auto trader found a 2007 Aura XE v6 with 33880 miles for $12,498 and a pot full of them in the $13K range. How does that compare with the other stuff you've looked at??

    Regards:
    OldCEM
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,618
    In my area, per AutoTrader and cars.com, the cheapest Aura XE within 50 miles of me is $12.8 with 61k miles (and black--yuk), a private-party sale. The next cheapest is $13.9k (dealer) with 35k miles. There is one more at $14k, all the others are $14.7k or more. None of the 3 at or under $14k have ESC. Since I can get a loaded Sonata GLS with moonroof and ESC for around $12k with under 35k miles, and still with a lot of bumper-to-bumper warranty left, I'd prefer to go that route.
  • good video.
    here is my ranking:
    1. ford fusion

    6. everything else (no awd)


    The Subaru Legacy has AWD standard, and is available with a manual transmission, and has better MPG.
  • where i bought my fusion, the dealer has free oil changes for life


    Same thing with my Sebring - free lifetime oil changes and tire rotation. I just have to purchase the filter. They originally were changing it every 3,000 miles (the heavy duty service interval in the owner's manual).


    The place I got the Accord has free oil changes for life too, so long as you pay $20 for a tire rotation, etc. At least they don't make me buy the oil and filter though, that is just silly. The light seems to come on about every 7000-7500 miles, just like the silly little thing that was tied to the odometer on my '93.
  • jeffyscottjeffyscott Posts: 3,855
    I don't know what Honda considers "severe". Some manufacturers (Mazda) are vague and put just about everyone in that category, others (Ford) are very specific and put almost no one in severe.

    The oil in the V6 gets pretty dirty at 3,000 miles.

    Are you going by it's appearance?

    http://www.nordicgroup.us/oil.htm#The%20Dark%20Oil%20Myth

    Of course, I'm not paying someone else to change it, so I can easily afford to change it more often.

    The cost is not really the point, the extra $10-15 per oil change to have someone else do it is not significant.
  • baggs32baggs32 Posts: 3,209
    The Subaru Legacy has AWD standard, and is available with a manual transmission, and has better MPG.

    I think we all realize that. However the Legacy was not on the list of 6. Also, the AWD Fusion is only available with a V6. Get the Legacy with its V6 and you not only get worse fuel economy than the AWD Fusion, but you also have to fill it with premium gas. Same goes for the blown I4 in the Subie. Requires premium and the AWD Fusion gets better gas mileage.

    But yes, the Plain Jane I4 in the Legacy does get better gas mileage than the AWD Fusion with a V6. Auto or manual tranny for the former.
  • kdshapirokdshapiro Posts: 5,751
    Get the Legacy with its V6 and you not only get worse fuel economy than the AWD Fusion, but you also have to fill it with premium gas

    That is true, you trade in some fuel economy for sub 6 second performance and handling.
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