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Midsize Sedans 2.0

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  • m6userm6user Posts: 3,017
    What happended to the red one you were gaga over about a year or so ago?
  • seolbroseolbro Posts: 19
    The front end looks like a hillbilly on nitrous oxide.
  • absolutely luscious. :D

    2011 Kia Soul Sport 5-speed

  • I heard no mention of the new "Fusion". I drove the 2013 accord and Fusion and the Fusion is much more quiet and better sounding engine (1.6L ecoboost). Accord has better ergonomics though.
  • cskicski West Springfield, VAPosts: 1,310
    I actually like the front end. It has a nice quality mesh upper and lower grill that looks rich and better than cheap plastic fake one's on most cars. (including mine).

    I like that it has fog lights, the wheel's are nice. This model looks decked-out with a sunroof as well.

    How much was sticker?

    Chris Skalski: Network Engineer 2012 Kia Optima EX

  • smarty666smarty666 Posts: 1,503
    You can't go wrong with either one of these 4 now. Each has its pros and cons to the others but these 4 keep appearing at the top of the pack in comparison tests.
  • gogophers1gogophers1 Posts: 218
    edited October 2012
    Does anyone know if the 2014 Mazda 6 manual will be available w/any "premium" options (specifically a sunroof, SiriusXM and paint in a shade other than black, white or gray)? I was interested in replacing my 2010 Focus SES w/a CX-5 manual until I found out that checking the box for a stick shift meant going home with the AM radio special in grandmotherly gray. Apparently Mazda thinks all motorists who enjoy rowing their own gears are colorblind. Ugh...

    The Fusion looks great and I can build it almost exactly the way I'd like, but I have no desire to relive the Blue Oval ownership experience any time soon (after multiple visits to Ford service departments this summer to address sundry unresolved defects with my current ride). After the flawed launches with the 2012 Focus and 2013 Escape, Ford should consider buying back a stake in Mazda so that it can tap its engineering resources again. Ford has proven it can do styling well; it just needs a Volvo or Mazda platform upon which to build a quality vehicle.

    As someone else mentioned, the fact that Car and Driver's test Fusion exhibited electrical gremlins should give any buyer reason to pause. Best of luck to anyone driving one of those off the lot w/a hybrid powertrain. :surprise:

    I'd probably trade my clunky 2 year old Ford today for a new Accord if only Honda would make satellite radio available w/a stick shift. And seriously, 2 color options... what is this, the former Soviet Union?

    Please, Mazda. Give us options!
  • iluvmysephia1iluvmysephia1 Posts: 5,711
    edited October 2012
    would be around $22,000, depending on options you want. Suzuki pretty much decks them out standard equipment pretty stocked up. For instance, you may be able to order a more expensive stereo or a sunroof or something like that, which you would have to pony up an extra $1,495 for.

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    2013 Suzuki Kizashi

    I love these in silver, it's my favorite color for the Suzuki Kizashi. This is the exact car I would want, with the foglights and wheels like this. The automatic CVT transmission would make this car cost around $23,995. The 6-speed manual would only be around $22,000.

    For what you get for that money the car is a great deal.

    2011 Kia Soul Sport 5-speed

  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,748
    I saw an ad today for an AWD Kizashi, over $4k off, priced just under $19k.

    Nice discount :) ... which means they aren't selling very well :( .
  • m6userm6user Posts: 3,017
    There was an ad from a Chicago dealer yesterday for almost $7k off sticker. $21+k for $14,999 or something like that. Could have been a demo as I didn't look too closely but it caught my eye.
  • cskicski West Springfield, VAPosts: 1,310
    I like the quality materials in it's "face". Good looking little mid-size. I have never seen one on the road...or noticed one, and I NOTICE cars. I like the availability of AWD as well.

    I am glad I only can afford one car, or I would end up a hoarder or something. :confuse:

    Chris Skalski: Network Engineer 2012 Kia Optima EX

  • aviboy97aviboy97 Posts: 3,159
    Does anyone know if the 2014 Mazda 6 manual will be available w/any "premium" options (specifically a sunroof, SiriusXM and paint in a shade other than black, white or gray)?

    I believe the 2012 LA Auto Show will provide details about the NA Mazda6.
  • ctlctl Posts: 123
    noises was/has been the biggest show stopper on Accord for my wife. Really thought Honda has finally put its acts together in this generation... very disappointing!! although we will also test drive in person to confirm, but if it is much noisier than 2009 Sonata...

    You mentioned to have also driven 2013 Altima, the new Altima was claimed to be Camry-level quiet, how does that Altima compared with your Sonata in terms of noises? granted the Sonata is a V6.
  • I have zero noise issues with my 2013 Accord EXL. I have seen and heard complaints of the Sport model with larger tires having louder road noise, and but I have very little noise. I also have not had wind noise issues either although some had a door sash replaced to solve their wind issues. The suspension is definitely tuned for handling which I like. I would highly recommend driving the EXL which may have more sound dampening to compare to the lx or sport. The Accord EXL hit a sweet spot for me with all of the features included along with the performance and efficiency of the i4 cvt for my driving habits. 90 percent of my driving is in the city so this car makes a lot of sense.
  • stickguystickguy Posts: 14,972
    I always found my 2005 EX-L 4 cyl to be quite quiet, except for some tire noise on certain road surfaces. Other than that, very peaceful.

    2013 Acura RDX (wife's) and 2007 Volvo S40 (mine)

  • gregg_vwgregg_vw Posts: 2,422
    But still louder than most of the competition. Cars in general have gotten much quieter. That includes the Accord. However, it still lacks that more vault-like silence that is trickling down to mid-size cars from lusxury models. Altima, Passat and now Fusion are quieter.
  • cskicski West Springfield, VAPosts: 1,310
    edited October 2012
    I find that the most quiet vehicle is the Fusion. You see, the tow truck blocks all the wind, allowing the Fusion to be the most quiet in it's class. Also quiet was when all the warning lights went off and the engine stopped providing forward motion. Oh, just to jam the sword in to the hilt, I have had zero problems with my "common man" Optima. It just keeps going somehow, ignoring weather as it goes along. This is called "reliability". Would someone please teach the Ford execs this basic business philosophy?

    The Ford "My Sync" tech now owns you. Actually, I am surprised that part of the in-car tutorial informs you that "your a#@ is mine now buddy.

    :lemon:

    Chris Skalski: Network Engineer 2012 Kia Optima EX

  • ivan_99ivan_99 Posts: 1,674
    Pardon if I've missed previous posts, but do you own the new Fusion? It sounds like you have a lemon...
  • cskicski West Springfield, VAPosts: 1,310
    lastly, I root for Ford, knowing that GM is LIKE "THE WALKING DEAD". obviously the gov't saw something in them. Lets all pray that the GM delivers what the public wants.

    I think you have me confused with another poster who had a Few-sion too many!

    -Chris

    Chris Skalski: Network Engineer 2012 Kia Optima EX

  • gregg_vwgregg_vw Posts: 2,422
    GM, like Ford, has its work cut out for it in the next few years as the market gets even more competitive, and all manufacturers continue to improve and expand their offerings. At this time, however, GM is doing very well and is profitable. Their bright spots are the US and China. Like everyone else in Europe (Ford included), operations there suck. However, they have plans to turn that around, and for a company on the ropes not too long ago, they have issued more new product than practically any other company.

    Now, the 2013 Fusion is a better car than the Malibu, and Ford still sells more trucks than anyone. However, the upcoming Impala is a better design than the Taurus, and the Sonic is better rated than the very good Fiesta. A new Silverado is just months away. Both companies will have to scramble continuously to remain in the fray. The Taurus needs incentives on the hood to outsell the Mercedes E Class, a much more expensive car. Meanwhile, Chrysler is gaining market share and also profitable again. Paid back those government loans and saved a ton of direct and ancillary jobs in the process. Chrysler may even save Fiat now.

    But there is only so much market. To increase market share, someone else has to lose it. So companies will continue to rise and fall. Both GM and Ford may be healthy 10 years from now, but it is possible that both might be gone, or swallowed up by others. Ford can't seem to get a grip on the luxury market, even while some of their money-losing luxury cast-offs (Land Rover, Jaguar, Volvo) seem to be making a go of it.

    Another Ford cast-off, Mazda, will have a very competitive and pretty Mazda6 for sale in next year. The mid-size market is the most cut-throat of all now, as soon every entry will be a competient one. I believe the mediocre Avenger will soon be renewed or killed, and the Chrysler 200, the only other non-competitive model for sale, will soon be re-made and kicked up market. It's a great time to be in the market for a good new car.
  • mtnman1mtnman1 Westerville, OhioPosts: 383
    edited November 2012
    I have a feeling you are referring to the 2010 thru 2012 model. The 13 has only recently been showing up on lots. I have to say my 2009 Fusion SEL V6 which I bought in October 2008 has been an excellent car. No problems. Very reliable.

    I just bought a 2012 Toyota Highlander Limited 4wd and already the power liftgate has a problem where the entire tailgate and motor for the power liftgate must be replaced. I mean a new liftgate and motor must actually be ordered into the Dealership, Painted, and installed. There was a TSB issued for the problem but if your one of the unlucky suckers that are not still under the original warranty which is 3 years or 36,000 then you have to foot the entire bill. I have 3500 miles on it. All brands have their issues. Many people (expecially Honda, Prius, and now Volt Owners) will never admit they might have issures when questioned about their vehicles reliability. I think sometimes they feel as though they have to now rationalize their loyalty to a brand or model and why they purchased and continue to purchase. I have no loyalty to any brand. I buy what I like and don't base my purchase on so called reliability ratings of resale value. That is unless they are rated very unreliable. Then I might pause.
  • podpod Posts: 176
    I am 27,000 miles into a 2010 Mercury Milan (aka Fusion with different appearance pieces) with not one issue and it is very quiet (one of the main reasons for the purchase) and economical (average over 27,000 = 31.4 mpg staying in Left lane). It has sync but none of the other electronic doodads which Ford seems to be pushing. A great car with very good handling on Michelins which look like they will give about 40,000+ judging from remaining tread. I hope they maintain a near base version without all the gadgets since I refuse to buy a car with a screen that needs to be read to communicate it's message. I will not take my eyes off the road. I do favor knobs and buttons. I am a bit of a luddite but I am also an electrical engineer and shudder to think of the expensive repairs that could result from a single diode opening somewhere among the thousands of circuit boards that are being given more and more control over how the car drives. There are electronic LSDs on some cars now that "apply the brakes to the outside wheel when cornering to act as a LSD". I don't want to be driving along at 75 mph when that circuit goes haywire. I perceive that a significant minority think Ford is going overboard with the gadgets. Sync was good and they were first to market but Ford should remember they are not Sony. Stick to cars and reliability. Less is more.
  • ivan_99ivan_99 Posts: 1,674
    Remember...SYNC is Microsoft...
  • mtnman1mtnman1 Westerville, OhioPosts: 383
    That's kind of why we chose the Highlander over the Edge or Explorer. We wanted the limited, but since it was my wife's vehicle I felt uncomfortable with her using the MyFordTouch. You can use voice command to change radio presets and to change the Temp. We were not going to get the Navigation. Actually, my wife would have never figured it out. She can't even use the buttons on the steering wheel of our Fusion or the Highlander. She still reaches over and uses the knobs and buttons on the center stack. She is pretty much the opposite of Tech savvy. Also the Highlander did ride a lot smoother than the Edge. The Explorer was more vehicle than we needed with no kids left at home.
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    I heard no mention of the new "Fusion". I drove the 2013 accord and Fusion and the Fusion is much more quiet and better sounding engine (1.6L ecoboost). Accord has better ergonomics though.

    I like the looks of the Fusion, but quality concerns as of late and a particularly high sticker price for the equipment level I'd want leave me cold. I'll likely drive one soon enough, but the Ford dealer wasn't in the area where I was that particular afternoon.
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    noises was/has been the biggest show stopper on Accord for my wife. Really thought Honda has finally put its acts together in this generation... very disappointing!! although we will also test drive in person to confirm, but if it is much noisier than 2009 Sonata...

    You mentioned to have also driven 2013 Altima, the new Altima was claimed to be Camry-level quiet, how does that Altima compared with your Sonata in terms of noises? granted the Sonata is a V6.


    I drove a 2012 Altima SL, not the new design 2013. It didn't stand out to me as particularly noisy. However, the day I drove the Altima, I drove a 2011 Fusion Hybrid. That car was such a trip (in a good way) that noise levels don't stand out to me on the Altima.

    To Hyundai's credit/detriment, my V6 Sonata seems to have bested the comparable Camry in terms of isolation from noise and vibration, at least in comparison to the LE V6 I drove of the previous generation. As a result, it's pretty dull to drive, but very serene on a trip or my long highway commute.
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    I always found my 2005 EX-L 4 cyl to be quite quiet, except for some tire noise on certain road surfaces. Other than that, very peaceful.

    I did too until I bought my Sonata. In comparison, the Honda has loads of road noise. Was a good car though!
  • cskicski West Springfield, VAPosts: 1,310
    edited November 2012
    WHY IS EVERYTHING IN BOLD NOW? IS THIS A TRIAL?

    LOL LMAO.

    Chris Skalski: Network Engineer 2012 Kia Optima EX

  • cskicski West Springfield, VAPosts: 1,310
    edited November 2012
    Truth. The truth is when we can quibble all day about which car is better and which one costs the least/most, which is fastest or most fuel efficient or both. Then, we can all argue and fight about why we like what we purchased, or are about to purchase. I have a list of my top 10 reasonably priced cars, if anyone cares to keep fighting!

    10) ACURA ILX 2.4 6 speed manual (200 hp, and yes it is a gussied up Civic) Price? $25k!!
    9) Mazda Miata MX-5. Love everything about it, except that I can't fit in it. We all want what we can't have, and I CANT!
    8) 2000 Acura Integra. Drove like it was on rails. Really. Fantastic, light, Civic-based gold standard for handling in a sleek, sexy package. Price? $19,999. 2 door, black, tan interior, and with the wing on the back. 5 speed manual only of course. The 4 speed slushbox killed it's direct control charm. It is also a Civic underneath...not a bad thing...just a footnote. Acura made a fortune on them.
    7) 1995 Mazda RX-7. OMG. Fast, direct, screamed like a banshee, Engine has ONE moving part. ONE!
    6) 2007 Shelby Mustang GT, (Nuff said)
    7) Camaro SS 305 HP LT1 Awesome! (until it breaks down)
    5) Firebird Formula (same as Camaro + a beluga whale as front clip) fast though!

    TBC tomorrow!

    Chris Skalski: Network Engineer 2012 Kia Optima EX

  • benjaminhbenjaminh Posts: 1,785
    Camry 29,926 +35.8%
    Accord 28,349 +25.5%
    Altima 24,623 +12.8%
    Sonata 16,773 -8%
    Optima 12,948
    Fusion 12,690 -29.9%
    Malibu 9,629 -6%
    200 8,758 -22%
    Passat 8,355 +65.8%

    I'm surprised at how close the Accord is to the Camry....Just a fluke? Don't know....
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