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  • ivan_99ivan_99 Posts: 1,665
    Make mine a 2.0 EcoBoost Titanium. Beautiful car inside and out.

    Don't all Titanium models only come with a black interior?

    Unless there is a large amount of brushed aluminum to go along with an all black interior...I just don't like it.

    Many manufacturers do this on their 'sporty' models.
  • cskicski West Springfield, VAPosts: 1,193
    I bought the 2012 Optima EX (non-hybrid) after reading all the reviews and driving two of it's competitors. It just blows them away for the money.

    I get 22-24 mpg in dense suburban and city driving. Pretty good numbers for my heavy foot. Also, the 2.4 sounds really sporty and refined too. It's dual exhaust just sings, and the manual shift mode is satisfying for downshifts while decelerating to a stop instead of being hard on the brakes. The brakes are excellent though.

    All of the reviews I read on the Son-Optima Hybrid said it was "unrefined and clunky". There are just too many more clutches and moving parts spinning for my money and driving style. I have seen the Optima hybrid on the road..nice looking.
  • cskicski West Springfield, VAPosts: 1,193
    I don't know for sure about only black interior on Titanium, or if there are real aluminum dash pieces, but C/D says "metal trim accents abound".

    I do know I like the way newer Ford dashes look, especially with the reconfigurable TFT gauge cluster display and center touch screen. It looks more expensive than mine....but not 10k better!!!

    BTW, my Optima has real aluminum trim at $24,260 EX. Also has some fake Black-Zebrano wood accents that are very tasteful.
  • cskicski West Springfield, VAPosts: 1,193
    edited November 2012
    HAHAHAHAHA LMAOOOOOOO

    The original Samurai was very very popular in it's hey-day. It was a cheap alternative to a "real" Jeep, you could take the top off and cruise. On my honeymoon in Aruba/Caribbean they were everywhere. (1999).

    I recall lots of girls in the pink and black model. Then there was the XL-7, Sidekick, XC-90 "cute Ute".

    I am just gonna shut up now. They were all horrible sh#@box's.
  • sdcal2sdcal2 Posts: 12
    I admit this is some part speculation and some what people who you would think should know have told me. When you go to Ford.com go to Fusions and then to Search Dealer Inventory by Zip Code. I admit I have only done this for Southern California. What I have found are the same couple units at all dealers that they have had for a few weeks and all others "In Stock" say "Dealer Ordered". One dealer took the one they had on display and told me they put it in the back but would not give a reason but 2 weeks later that's where it still sits. My dealer has had the exact same two units that are "Available" for 3 weeks now on the list. I can't believe they simply can't find anyone to buy these units but their list of "Dealer Ordered" has doubled and in some cases Tripled. I am not sure if Ford has begun production of the Fusion out of the Flat Rock plant (Thought 2014) but all units I have looked at are coming out of Hermosillo Mexico Plant. When you click on the Monroney sticker you can see the plant and manufacture date. All dates on units that dealers have are old (August). Units are usually delivered to California dealers 10 to 14 days after manufacturing. I would love to know differently as it seems I would be better off just buying a unit off of a local dealers showroom floor as opposed to waiting two additional months. Also, if this was not the case why not just reorder as they claim delivery time is 6 to 8 weeks and forget about a car that might have an issue and has been freighted all over.

    Would love for someone who really knows what's going on to post here but everything is hush hush that I can find nothing.
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,669
    Latest rumor is a parts shortage so some vehicles are being built without those parts and shipped to Flat Rock to have those parts added (headlights, headliners were mentioned). Flat Rock is not online yet so this is a perfect situation to handle this type of problem. The memo I saw indicated the shortage was over and only affected about 100 retail (sold) orders - the rest were dealer stock. I think we'll know a lot more once it's over.
  • I just "built" a Fusion Titanium on Ford's site and I can confirm that no matter what exterior color I chose, the interior is Charcoal Black.
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,669
    Yes, all Titaniums have black interiors with silver accents. No choice.
  • gregg_vwgregg_vw Posts: 2,415
    Hate all-black interiors. Will never buy another.
  • cskicski West Springfield, VAPosts: 1,193
    edited November 2012
    All I know is that I have seen one (1) 2013 Fusion on the road. One. It was beautiful in "Deep Impact Blue" (looked it up on Ford site). I would not have named the paint on an unproven model after a horrific disastrous explosion, but that is just me....

    I live in the DC metro area and seeing only one new Fusion strikes me as weird. I mean there are 3 large Ford dealers within 5 miles of my house. So, where are all the Fusions indeed!? There are over a million people in my County alone. Only one dude bought one?

    I know it is part of a recall, but that can also work in the dealers favor. Limited availability can and will drive up the price as long as the dealer can keep recall activity quiet.

    It is a very desirable car. It looks like an Aston in the front, a Jag from the side, and has a Volvo-esque dash layout. None of that will help it though if it is seen as a problem car :lemon: , especially for the price Ford has set.

    I am pulling for Ford. It will kill them if this car isn't awesome.
  • cskicski West Springfield, VAPosts: 1,193
    The Mexican built cars were recalled over dispute of what "Optional Package order" means....

    Ford insists that it does not mean to pack the car with cocaine.

    LMAOOOOOOO
  • temj12temj12 Posts: 450
    I live close to the Flat Rock plant. They are building a lot of additional facilities there. When finished, they will continue the Mustang build and add the Fusion and Lincoln MKS. I will try to find out about vehicles being sent there to have parts added. I am beginning to see some Fusions here. On the Titanium, the engine is made in Spain. I was not crazy about that idea.
  • sdcal2sdcal2 Posts: 12
    Interested to just how many show up at Flat Rock. Here is the weird part about this launch. It's coming on two months now. I live in the L.A. area and commute every day to to San Diego and drive my territory then back to L.A. About 300 miles per day. I have never seen one new Fusion and yes I've been looking. I have seen what feels like 10,000 new 2012 models. How is it that what Ford believes will be their biggest sale vehicle and Camery killer is nowhere to be found? 99% of the 2012 are gone off the lots near me. What are they selling???
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,669
    It's a controlled launch just like all other Ford launches. The vehicles will trickle in for the next few weeks.
  • sdcal2sdcal2 Posts: 12
    Okay now you're just reaching. This is a non exitance launch. After the other two vehicles were launched they were everywhere and on TV. Go to the Ford web site and no picture proudly displayed like the Focus and Fusion. Nothing Nothing Nothing
  • b25nutb25nut Templeton, CAPosts: 199
    I got a call from my dealer in the San Fernando Valley Wednesday and I was able to pick up my Fusion Hybrid yesterday. Everyone on this board is going to be very happy when you get your vehicle. When I pulled into work this morning, the first question was "Is that a BMW?". In my opinion, any concerns expressed in the reviews are non-issues. Brakes are great, trunk room is very good, no problem with front end clearance, etc. The Sync and MyFord Touch are easy to use. Any feature that is different (like the turn indicator) is easily adapted to. I had to drive 205 miles to get the car, so I had that amount of time with my Fusion on the drive home last night. I drove it aggressively after the first 30 miles and was at 73 mph most of the time, even up long, steep grades (I don't use speed control). This was hard on the mpg: I only got 32 mpg for the trip. This was disappointing, but the car only had three miles on it and I'm sure needs some breaking in. It appears the green leaves don't like speeds over 65 mph.
    The car is very quiet, even when the engine was working hard going up steep grades. Regular acceleration is good, not great, but acceleration at higher speeds is very good. The key takes some getting used to. It is narrow and knowing the right orientation for inserting it doesn't come naturally. The windshield wipers are hinged at the outer edges of the windshield and keep it entirely clear except for the area behind the rearview mirror. Their offset motion is surprising at first.
    Mine is White Platinum with a Dune leather interior (if only black was available I wouldn't have bought it), with the Luxury and Technology package. I also got the Moonroof and the Luxury wheels. I highly recommend all these options, especially the wheels. My only real complaint now is I think the Owner's Manual is poorly done. It has very few pictures and seems to have been written by Microsoft with an almost useless index.
    I placed my order with my closest dealer back in September. They didn't even give me a build date until this past Wednesday. 12 days ago, the web site of the dealer in Woodland Hills listed that they had the exact same car (I feel extremely lucky for that) arriving last week. They had to hold it (for a reason nobody seems to know) until yesterday before I could drive it home.
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,669
    I'm not reaching - this is how Ford has launched vehicles for the last several years. There was a problem with one of the parts that has delayed some deliveries. Vehicles are being delivered as noted above.
  • cskicski West Springfield, VAPosts: 1,193
    I remember a similar launch with the new Chevy Camaro. Almost everyone saw it in '07 Transformers movie.

    However, It took 3 more years before they were on the road. Now they are quite common again.

    So, again I believe that a cautious launch means extra $ margin's for the dealer and Ford, and if there IS a quality/TSB issue then a fix can be implemented before 2.5 million are on the road, like what happened to Toyota a year ago with a"unintentional acceleration" nonsense.

    A similar accusation was levied against the 85-88 Audi 5000. It almost killed Audi....AND, I remember picking up an '87 5000 S for $1000 (to flip it). I was lucky to have only lost $50 on it.
    It was a complete pile in every way.

    Once again I have seen zero Fusions today.
  • cskicski West Springfield, VAPosts: 1,193
    No Fusion sighted. Zero (0) in DC. Zero (0) in Arlington.

    Had errands to run. Lots of Focusssss's No Fusion's
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    No Fusion sighted. Zero (0) in DC. Zero (0) in Arlington.

    Had errands to run. Lots of Focusssss's No Fusion's


    Foci? :)

    I saw my first Fusion on Sunday (I live in Birmingham, AL). It was apple red, Titanium.

    I was, however, VERY unhappy that the Ford dealers in my area who put on the Birmingham International Auto Show this weekend left their Fusions locked. I was there to try on cars (I'm 6'5", so it's a true try-on!) to replace my 09 Sonata eventually, but Ford may have lost business with that lame move. I sat in an Optima, liked it. Sat in a '13 Sonata, didn't like it (like sitting in a bucket; hard to see out of). I've driven an Accord, also like it for it's large screen, easy sightlines, and CVT + Paddle Shift Combo on the sport. I wanted to like the '13 Altima more than I did when I sat in it, but haven't driven it yet. One car whose interior I liked a LOT (which surprised me) was the Malibu LTZ 2.0T. Wouldn't buy a Chevy though; still too many quality concerns.
  • m6userm6user Posts: 2,961
    Did they have an excuse as to why the Fusions were locked up? Usually, at auto shows, the only reason is that they aren't for sale yet and could be slightly "pre production" units or concepts.
  • I saw a Fusion on Saturday, just driving down the highway. Looks better in pictures than in the flesh.
  • crkyolfrtcrkyolfrt Posts: 2,345
    edited November 2012
    quote at the bottom of one of the pics from autoblog..
    "2013 Ford Fusion: A driver-centric cockpit with a forward canted centerstack and high center console provide visual design cues of Fusion's competence and poise on the road."

    Really?? Who writes this utter.... ahhh..stuff??
    A high center console provide visual design cues of a car's competence? who at Ford approved this and if no one did, why aren't they suing for....well..idiotic remarks.

    I think the hood is too busy. I get what they were trying to do, but end result is a fail, IMO.
    All in all though, it is a fairly handsome effort.

    I chuckled to myself when I read thegraduate became enticed by the unlocked Optima..that'll teach 'em (Ford).

    Dear FMC, it's only a Fusion...sheesh..If you're going to lock it, then hang a sign saying why.
  • b25nutb25nut Templeton, CAPosts: 199
    Make sure when you try the Fusion on for size that the Easy Entry & Exit Function is activated. It makes getting in and out of the car much easier for anyone 6' or more by automatically moving the seat to the full back position.
    My trip yesterday of over 400 miles resulted in an average 34.4 mpg with speeds of 70-75 mph 80% of the time. This included going up "Grapevine Hill".
  • sdcal2sdcal2 Posts: 12
    I do think as others have posted it a temporary problem that has been corrected. I think my order is in the group of vehicles that "had a Problem" and I got screwed with delivery. If someone can order in September and has their vehicle... I got screwed. The car is for my daughter and I kind of forced the car on her and now regret buying Ford. For reasons I do not have the time to explain it would cost me a lot to change directions and buy something different. Just feels like one more time where some company says thank you very much now bend over and don't complain. Moo moooo!
  • cskicski West Springfield, VAPosts: 1,193
    edited November 2012
    Drove a lot yesterday. Zero Fusions. You know, I remember the 2005 Mustang introduction and being really, really excited about it's retro design. Now I view the old 4.0 6 cyl. models as airport rentals. We are going to get used to the Fusion real quick I bet, especially the basic I-don't-need rims, dual exhaust, or fog-lights models.

    On the news this morning I was informed that there is a new Prius recall. I am curious as to how Ford's C-Max is going to do competing against it.

    However, this isn't the hybrid thread so I am done now b-4 someone gets :mad:
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,669
    Any time you order a vehicle before or within the first month or two of a new model introduction you have to expect potential delays. Ford has a very specific process to ensure that they don't ship out defective vehicles so some get held longer than others. They try to minimize the impact on retail (sold) orders but sometimes unexpected problems crop up due to machinery or (usually) parts problems from their suppliers.

    One guy had his already built Fusion pulled off the line for crash testing by NHTSA, something Ford has no control over. They did submit a new order for him with emergency priority.

    If you don't want delays, wait 6 months to order.
  • cskicski West Springfield, VAPosts: 1,193
    edited November 2012
    I run my own business part time to supplement income (3 kids ain't cheap).

    If I don't keep up with orders and deadlines I am out of business. I show up to appointments early and stay late. These are the principles that make a person, business, and government successful and respected.

    I know that building an Automobile these days is like assembling a Lunar Module, but you would think that people who design these things have quality assurance people(who work on deadline's) testing people (who work on deadlines) and government liaison's (who work on deadlines). I think big business in America has partially turned away from the principles that made our country great,

    If I ordered a car, and had to wait 2 months to be delivered, only to be told it will be two more months I would cancel my order. Period. I would have signed an agreement with the dealer that if they can't deliver then my money goes away and I am driving off a competitors lot in a new car.

    There were plenty of Sonata's and Optima's in 2011. Brand new model. The Largest recall was left front wheel strut components caused vehicle to pull to the left. 41,000 Sonata's recalled, 16,000 Optima's. (I bought a 2012, which had fixed the problem permanently). It took an hour to buy one and I was on my way home....car in hand. :P

    12,000 miles later and there have been zero problems with my car. None. As a matter of fact, very few had to wait for their Korean car. Do we want to be a whole subsidiary of Asia? Keep it up America, and that is what we have to look forward to.

    Hope you are listening Ford, as you are the last and only US manufacturer that I WOULD still buy a car from.
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,669
    How many people actually place a factory order for a Sonata or Optima? These types of delays happen all the time with other mfrs you just don't hear about them. Also in other cases the mfrs would simply ship out defective vehicles and fix them later. Ford chooses to bite the bullet and fix them first. So that causes some delays and not a lot of information. I prefer that scenario to them shipping out defective products.

    If Ford didn't allow buyers to pre-order before production begins then everyone would be upset that they have to wait. If they do and have problems then everyone is upset, even though Ford never guarantees any delivery dates on any special order.

    This will be a blip in the overall picture once production is humming.
  • b25nutb25nut Templeton, CAPosts: 199
    I ordered mine in September but that is not the Fusion I am driving. If I had waited for that one, I wouldn't have seen it until after Dec. 16. I lucked out and found a dealer that had ordered the exact same car in their initial order to Ford for their Fusions.
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