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Midsize Sedans 2.0

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  • stephen987stephen987 Posts: 1,994
    And what's with the Gotta Have It rating? Since when do any of these vehicles evoke a "gotta have it" emotion?

    Believe it or not, I actually did have a little of the "gotta have it" response when I spent a week and a half with a rented Milan Premier I4 last summer. It was a surprisingly sophisticated car--only the engine noise under acceleration was a disappointment.

    Then again, I got the same "gotta have it" when I drove a manual '08 LX-P. So maybe I'm just bored with my current rides.
  • baggs32baggs32 Posts: 3,209
    I don't think the different trim levels affected the net scores much. The Accord got bonus points for "features and amenties" but the Fusion got about the same bonus from the "price as tested" score. In the end, the scores are close enough that one would be silly not to check out all three and base their decision on their own personal preferences.

    But if they were comparably equipped the Fusion still would have won points for both and driven it closer to the Accord's final score. Bluetooth and an iPod interface in the Ford cost all of $395 whereas you have to get the $2200 navi package in the Honda to have that functionality.

    If the so called comparison doesn't compare apples to apples then it's not a true comparison and should be treated as such. You can't give an advantage to one model when you didn't even give another the chance to show what it can do too.
  • jeffyscottjeffyscott Posts: 3,855
    I agree that they should either compare comparably equipped vehicles or comparably priced vehicles. But as I said, in the end, the scores are close enough that one would be silly not to check out all three and base their decision on their own personal preferences.

    For instance in my case I could not care less about blue teeth, ipods, or navigation systems. I care a lot about seat comfort and steering feel/handling. Having sat in and them and based on what I have read, were I in the market now, I'd be leaning toward the fusion...but I'd still drive all 3.
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    They spoke very highly of the Fusion when they said something to the effect of "even if ten vehicles were in the comparison, the Fusion would be in the top 3.

    That spoke volumes to me.

    Golly, this forum got lively over that article!
  • stephen987stephen987 Posts: 1,994
    They spoke very highly of the Fusion when they said something to the effect of "even if ten vehicles were in the comparison, the Fusion would be in the top 3.
    Which would strongly imply that they would favor the Fusion over an Altima 2.5/6MT. (Does such a beast still exist?)
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,622
    I think it's even more impressive when you realize that 4 cylinder sedans have not been a strong point for Ford in the past.

    I think the next test should be with the AWD versions. I bet the Fusion takes first place in that one........ ;)
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTPosts: 9,448
    i am wondering if for is softening the ride of non sport versions?
    next time i sit in the back of my fusion, i will have to see if i notice
    the 'knees up' seating position.
    i like the rims on the fusion.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,624
    The Focus and Mondeo are two pretty darn good 4 cylinder sedans from Ford. Unfortunately, the Focus we get here in the U.S. is a 10-year-old design (very competitive when it debuted) with some refreshes, and the Mondeo... that's a future Mercury, right? ;)
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,622
    They haven't said whether any of the new Euro vehicles will wear a Mercury badge. But I don't think they'll be bringing the Mondeo here - at least not the sedan. But the next gen Fusion and Mondeo will be on the same platform. The Euro Focus should arrive next year and that might be a Mercury if it doesn't replace the current Focus.
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTPosts: 9,448
    the accord has 17 inch wheels. does the fusion se have the same now?
    se's are equipped with 16's, unless this is different for 2010.
    i have seen the wheels somewhere before, maybe euro focus?
  • robsisrobsis Posts: 160
    IMHO, all of the itmes you describe fall under a 'bumper-to-bumper' warranty. Take it to the service manager, not just the service writer.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,624
    It would be a good idea to read the warranty book that came with the car. Shocks may be considered a "wear item" and not covered, unless it's clear they are defective. Sometimes interior squeaks/rattles are covered only during a 1 year/12 month adjustment period, but some warranties are more lenient so it's best to refer to the warranty book.
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,622
    If you download the Chassis specs from the box on the right hand side it lists the tires as 225/50R17 Michelin MXV4s. But you're right - I believe the SE does come with 16's and not 17's, although they might be optional. Or this might be one of those one-off pre-production prototypes. If they did have 16's then that would explain a lot.
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,622
    the accord has 17 inch wheels. does the fusion se have the same now?
    se's are equipped with 16's, unless this is different for 2010.


    The SE now comes standard with 17" wheels. 16" on the S model.

    And the SEL model does not come with a manual trans - that's why it was a SE model. But you can't get leather with the SE.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,624
    I was wondering why C/D chose MT cars when they admitted 90% of them are sold with ATs. Now it is clearer... SES not available with an MT, EX-L is. Accord has a 5-speed MT, and 5-speed AT. Fusion and Mazda6 have a 6-speed AT.

    Not that I am implying C/D would stack the deck in favor of one of their perennial 10Best cars. Nah, they wouldn't do that. ;)
  • captain2captain2 Posts: 3,971
    Not that I am implying C/D would stack the deck in favor of one of their perennial 10Best cars. Nah, they wouldn't do that.
    Nah, only Ford would do that, they called it a "Challenge'.
    But to answer your question with a question, of what benefit is it to C&D financially to rename the Accord one of their 10 best? :confuse: - it's not like Honda is out there advertising the heck out of the Accord and/or paying C&D beaucoups of money to allow use of the award in advertising. The magazine would do better in this regard to name the Fusion 10 best. Wonder how much Ford pays JDP for their 'initial quality' trophies, or how much they paid the supervising mags in their Fusion challenge?
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,624
    No benefit financially. But if you had just told millions of people that the top family sedan is the Accord, and ranked it over the Mazda6, would you be likely to turn around a couple of months later and say, "OK, I goofed, actually the Mazda6 is better than the Accord."? Nor would C/D.

    They never did explain why they were unable to get the lower-trim Accord into the comparo--they mentioned that they had a lower-cost car lined up.
  • The magazine would do better in this regard to name the Fusion 10 best. Wonder how much Ford pays JDP for their 'initial quality' trophies, or how much they paid the supervising mags in their Fusion challenge?

    Ah yes yes, it couldn't be anything having to do with decent product. Wow.

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  • elroy5elroy5 Posts: 3,741
    Consumer Reports has also picked the Accord, for 09.
    Quote:
    "The Accord is a roomy, well-rounded sedan that's easy to live with and enjoyable to drive. It offers a comfortable ride, agile handling, and efficient, refined four- and six-cylinder powertrains. Electronic stability control is standard, and crash-test results are impressive. Though the Nissan Altima edged out the Accord in our Ratings, most Altima versions lack electronic stability control."

    The Altima couldn't hold on to the top spot. CR says it's because of stability control, but I think there's more to it than that.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,624
    Knowing CR, it IS all about stability control being standard on the Accord, and not on the Altima. They seem to be fixated on stability control of late, treating it with greater importance than even crash safety.
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