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Midsize Sedans 2.0



  • imidazol97imidazol97 Crossroads of America: I70 & I75Posts: 18,046
    Dealers around me have the six-speed with the 4-cylinder. It probably just varies with what people buy out of stock in that area. I don't think it means any dark plan on the part of GM to sell only the four-speed transmission.
  • tlongtlong CaliforniaPosts: 4,737
    Although not in this class, the new Camaro was a complete disappointment. Horrible interior design. If this is the car that's supposed to save Chevrolet, I hope they have a plan B.

    Plan B is already in effect and is your wallet and my wallet. :mad:
  • mikebztmikebzt Posts: 44
    Actually I have found Upstate NY has the best deals on Hyundais
  • m6userm6user Posts: 2,952
    I had a conversation with a person in CT over on the Mazda6 forum about the price difference between what new/used Mazda6s went for in the NE US vs. Chicago area. He works for a Mazda dealer and is very familiar with both dealer/auction prices. It was quite eye opening. It appeared that there was several thousand $ difference on both new and used like vehicles between the two markets. I kind of joked that one could probably make some decent margin just buying several in Chicago and transporting to the NE and reselling.

    I purchased my 07 Mazda6 I4 auto VE for $16,400(MSRP about $21,400) in 2007 and I know of others that paid as low as $16,000 for the same car. The person from the NE said that those prices couldn't be touched up there.
  • That is good to know. Might be worth a little trip for a good deal on a new car.
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTPosts: 9,614
    even fitzmall only has 6 speeds for their 2lt's(v6).
  • vanman1vanman1 Posts: 1,397
    Ordering a 6-speed Malibu is always an option.

    We ordered my wife's car and you have the option of the incentives now or the incentives when the car arrives. It worked out the original incentives were the best but it was nice to get car exactly as we wanted and at the best possible price.

    With sales as they are it would probably only take 4 -5 weeks.
  • vanman1vanman1 Posts: 1,397
    The 4-speeds will be all phased out in the coming year or two. The Aura is standard with the 6-speed already.
  • cannon3cannon3 Posts: 296
    in the next 5 years who do you think will hold the top sedan title? With what I am reading here at Edmunds and other sedan boards it is really looking to me that the Accord/Camry may be loosing its luster. People are looking for different in a sedan. Competition has given real choices to choose from. With the Malibu, Fusion/Milan, Sonata, Passat, to name a few to choose from. As the word spreads that Accord/Camry no longer hold the reliability/quality card.
    My predictions are the Camry/Malibu will battle for number 1. Fusion/Accord will battle for number 3 spot. Can't forget the Nissan Altima. With the new 2010 Fusion/Milan coming on strong with very competitive power plants.. I say the Altima will move to the number 4 spot.
  • Look at the numbers:
    Malibu sold 178,253 in 2008 (in a redesign year)
    Camry sold 436,617 in 2008
    Accord sold 372,789
    Fusion sold 149,000

    The Camry sold more than all of Chrysler's entire car division and they make up a lot of rentals.
    Malibu might be able to take the 2nd spot if the Aura, Impala, and G6 are discontinued and stop creating fake demand.
  • mickeyrommickeyrom Posts: 936
    I'm gonna go out on a limb and predict(FANFARE) three years The Ford Fusion hybrid will be on top,maybe not in sales but in ratings.
  • Do some reading. The Fusion hybrid is the most expensive non-luxury hybrid out there. A $30,000 car won't be number one, especially with gas being so low.
  • delthekingdeltheking Posts: 1,152
    The best sellers in the next 5 years:
    1.Camry 2.Accord 3.Malibu 4.Altima 5.Fusion
    This will be the order for the next 5 years..The Malibu and Fusion are improving but not close to Camry/Accord.
    Also the altima`s quality has diminished significantly.Infact all Nissans are slipping quickly.All Nissan Suv`s except xterra and in all its sedans - quality is slipping.Cheap plastic and parts,diminishing quality,,plus improving competition.They have to shape up or be prepared to lose badly.
    Surprise package- Sonata,, affordable ,good performance,,much improved reliability,decent styling and good warranty.But resale value and image in the tank.Perception taakes time to change-- but can see its sales climbing up gradually.
    Good to see malibu and fusion improving..They need aggresive styling and presentation.Bland wont work.
    But , as always,, I hope they continue to improve and innovate a lot-- Heats up the market,,keeps camry/accord on its toes,, high standards maintained-- win win for buyer :blush:
  • Next Five Years

    1) Camry 2) Accord 3) Altima 4) Malibu 5) Fusion 6)Sonata 7)Optima

    I disagree, as the owner of an 05 Altima, I'd say the current Altima is better in almost every way to my 05...only area where I find my Altima better than the new one is styling. If anybody's quality is diminishing and slipping its Toyotas! From the materials to overall quality the current Altima has it all over the previous generation Altima and IMO the CURRENT Camry...which IMO has to be one of the most overrated, over hyped sedans in this class. As a matter of fact I think Autoblog did a story on how Toyota's Resale value numbers are slipping because of nagging quality and reliability issues. In just about every comparison test the Altima has beaten the Camry...and everything else except the Accord. When it comes to feature content the only car in this class that offers more gadgetry is the Mazda6. The Altima was the first (and one of the few to this day) to offer push button start, bluetooth from the factory, xenon headlamps, CVT and other features. The one area where Nissan sorely lacks is safety. The lack of rear adjusting headrest, Traction control and Stability control standard on all models and a few other safety features is bad on Nissan's part.

    Only two comparisons I can think of off the top of my head where the Camry actually beat the Altima and they are both by Motortrend...other than that the Altima almost always comes out on top (In the Case of Consumer Reports) or near the top (Car and Driver) and while I've seen some complaints about the Altima's interior being spartan I've seen far more complaints about the Camry's "Un-Toyota-Like" interior materials and craftsmanship.

    As for the uptake in Malibu sales, I read over at GMI that in some recent months Malibu fleet sales have been has high as 50 percent...could be the reason sales are on the uptick. I'll have to find that article.

    One car I'd like to see do better sales-wise is the Mazda6. Such a great car...and so unappreciated. I saw a white S GT driving around Chicago today...NICE.
  • mz6greyghostmz6greyghost Posts: 1,230
    Do some reading. The Fusion hybrid is the most expensive non-luxury hybrid out there.

    Take your own advice. The Fusion hybrid starts at $27,270 according to Edmunds, which isn't much more than an Altima Hybrid ($26,650) or a Camry Hybrid ($26,150), yet offers more standard features than the other two and also trumps them in gas mileage. IMO it's more than competitive in this market.

    You want the most expensive "non-luxury" Hybrid? Check out the Toyota Highlander ($34,700, ouch!), and I'm sure there are others that break the $30K barrier.
  • mz6greyghostmz6greyghost Posts: 1,230
    Good to see malibu and fusion improving..They need aggresive styling and presentation.Bland wont work.

    Really? It's seemed to work for the Camry, the most bland midsize sedan on the market today...
  • delthekingdeltheking Posts: 1,152
    The reason bland wont work for malibu/fusion is b`cos that market is already taken by the camcord.And perceptions take long time to change.So even if malibu and fusion improve,but have bland styling//folks would then simply prefer the camcord.
    In this day and age,,u have to be a little different ,,if your previous track record is poor.U cant just wait and watch.Create sleek,stylish designs so that folks notice u and decide to give u a 2nd chance.They have to get out of their rental car image.
    When altima came out in 2002,,the redesign was stylish exteriorly with decent reliability and it was a success.The new 08 redesign could not do that.
    Same reason why sonata and optima have to be more sleek with more gadgetry.
    For example,,the new Saturn Vue SUV ,is totally redesigned, sleek and stylish and folks are giving it a 2nd look.The Ford edge and Buick enclave are other examples.Takes time but atleast Saturn is trying to change its image.Sad part-Saturn probably would be discontinued. :sick:
  • mickeyrommickeyrom Posts: 936
    I don't expect it to be tops in sales,which I had already wrote.I said it would be the most highly rated car.Secondly,gas prices will go up.Trust me on that.Hopefully not as high as $4.00,but I expect $3.00 gas by the end of the year or earlier.Opec will make sure of that. :cry:
  • acdiiacdii Posts: 753

    You want the most expensive "non-luxury" Hybrid? Check out the Toyota Highlander ($34,700, ouch!), and I'm sure there are others that break the $30K barrier.

    Only 34700? Yah right, good luck finding a base model Highlander Hybrid. I just did an inventory search of 3 dealers near me, the lowest priced HH, Ready for this?

    Really ready?

    OK, $46,454!!!!! This was the #1 reason I did not get one when I was shopping for a 7 passenger vehicle, and I would have preferred the hybrid over the Veracruz, but not for $10,000 more in cost. I have yet to see one for less than $40K on any dealer lot around here. I did find one about 150 miles away for $39,205, but apples to apples, it has less on it than the Veracruz, doesn't have leather, and only a power drivers seat. Yep a very expensive non luxury hybrid for sure!

    Oh and if you want to see a large inventory of very expensive HH, check out the pauly toyota inventory, put a pillow under your jaw before you do though.
  • mz6greyghostmz6greyghost Posts: 1,230
    I disagree. Personally, I don't see styling as a major factor for MOST midsize car customers. Quality and reliability are BY FAR the biggest way to get people in the showrooms, and it's something that the CamCord has established. The Altima that you mentioned didn't become more successful simply due to it's styling (in fact, I thought the clear-lense taillights were more of a turn-off to most midsize buyers), IMO it's more to do with the large size increase over the previous-gen to get it in the ballpark of the other contenders.

    The Fusion had (and still does have) unique styling, yet sales still pale in comparison to the CamCord. IMO it'll improve it's sales when people get over their ancient and outdated perceptions of Ford and actually feel comfortable in purchasing them again. The same goes for the Malibu.
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