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Midsize Sedans 2.0



  • delthekingdeltheking Posts: 1,152
    I think ,if people dont mind the image,,nowadays ,minivans are much better value than CUV`s.More space,more bells and whistles,7 seaters,plus cost much less than similarly equipped SUV`s or CUV`s.But ,yes,,people probably dislike the soccer mom minivan image but minivans in my opinion are an amazing amount of car and value for the money.
  • Sorry I was off by $3,000. Also the highlander is an SUV, not a sedan.
    The Fusion is a great car but I don't think it will crack the top three.
    Depending on what happens to the Detroit three, we might see Malibu crack the top three best sedans sales. More than likely we will see the status quo with an evening out of the numbers; less gap between 1-2-3 etc.
  • acdiiacdii Posts: 753
    Comparing my 2009 Camry, with the features it has, the price on the sticker was $28,395. I just priced out a 2010 Fusion Hybrid with very similar features, and just a touch more due to the packaging, the price for that is $29,590. I also checked stock at a few dealers for a model close to mine, and only found 1 under $30K, and it did not have the sunroof that mine does, it is listed at $28,249.

    Overall, the Fusion Hybrid is priced dead on to the Camry Hybrid. If you want a top of the line Fusion Hybrid, $31,940, top of the line Camry Hybrid, $32,227.

    It is obvious, those who say the Fusion is more expensive than the Camry Hybrid, haven't done their shopping. I have, and if I had waited a year before buying the Camry, I would have an order in for a FFH right now.
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,666
    Why do Camcords sell 300-400K per year? REPEAT BUYERS! How many Camcord owners are buying their 2nd, 3rd or 6th vehicle? Fusion is just now starting to see repeat buyers. And you really have to include both the Fusion and Milan sales together.
  • True, you have to count the Fulan. You should probably add the G6 and Aura sales to the Malibu too. One thing is for sure: we the best choice of mid-size sedan in history. For $25K you can role in a sweet ride. Whether you like the lines of the frugality of the Hyundai, Mazda6 or the 6 speed of the Malibu, you really can't go wrong (accept for Chrysler). :lemon:
  • What about the new Prius and Insight. Anyone think that they new designs and better aligned prices will slash in the midsize sedan market. Are they the new 2.0? Maybe it's me, but I think the Insight would look good with some better wheels on it.
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTPosts: 9,614
    another factory or expand what they have now, if they expect to sell more mkfuslans.
  • vanman1vanman1 Posts: 1,397
    You think Honda could have at least tried to make a better looking Hybrid. The Insight is actually uglier than the ugly Prius and I didn't think that was possible?

  • tim156tim156 Posts: 308
    The most significant thing about the Fusion Hybrid is that it can operate in electric mode up to 47 mph. If you live and work in the city you could possibly go weeks without having to fuel up. Once this fact reaches hybrid buyers, with everything else the Fusion has to offer in styling and standard features, foreign hybrid sales will be affected. I just hope Ford can keep up with demand.
  • To each his own. I actually think the new Insight look better than the Prius. I also think the old Fusion looks better than all the 2010's except for the Mazda 6 :confuse:
  • elroy5elroy5 Posts: 3,741
    Look at the numbers:
    Malibu sold 178,253 in 2008 (in a redesign year)
    Camry sold 436,617 in 2008
    Accord sold 372,789
    Fusion sold 149,000

    Even if there were 400,000 Malibu or Fusion buyers out there (which is not going to happen), GM and Ford could not build that many. Dreamers can dream though. The magazines may not like the Camry, but it gives people what they want. It's a comfortable, reliable, quiet car, that gets them from A to B with no fuss. Most Camry and Accord buyers are repeat buyers, so unless these two cars start really giving their owners major problems, this trend will continue.
  • madpistolmadpistol Posts: 126
    When altima came out in 2002,,the redesign was stylish exteriorly with decent reliability and it was a success.The new 08 redesign could not do that.

    Really? So the fact that Nissan tried to keep the Altima the same size (and even make it a little smaller) is a bad thing? Have you even driven one? They're a blast as far as driving dynamics goes. After sitting in an '02-'06 model and sitting in the current '07-present generation, the current generation is a huge step forward for Nissan! If that's not enough proof of what Nissan can do, go sit in the '09 Murano or the '09 Maxima; both of those cars are more Infiniti-lite than Nissan. If you're still not convinced, go test drive the new 370Z. NOTHING in this market compares to the new Z!

    You talk as if GM and Ford have all the answers to the current market, but sales numbers speak of another story. The Fusion and the new Malibu are a great step forward for Ford and GM. Now all they have to do is fix another dozen cars each and they'll be on their way to success again.

    Don't rag on Nissan while the other Domestics are deep in the red. At least Nissan is managing to stay afloat.
  • dave8697dave8697 Posts: 1,498
    The pain is finding little cracks and seeping in.
    The only info I have on the Altima is that the trunk is 12 cu. ft.
    The only car in this topic I want to afford is the Malibu. Chevy will let me add just the sunroof to the base LS for 7something extra. Will the others do the same?
  • dave8697dave8697 Posts: 1,498
    what makes people so smart?
    when I was young and poor, people used to say to me "If you're so smart, why aren't you rich?"
    Many people have bad perceptions.
    looking left to right from end of my driveway: I see 12 GM's, 5 Fords, 4 Hondas, and onesies after that. No Camry's or Altimas.
  • gotta co-sign on this post.
  • agreed. I drive a truck and I was at a trucks top in Gary, IN this afternoon...the truck was carrying the new Insight...U-G-L-Y. Makes the Prius look like a beauty queen
  • When did Chevy start offering options on the BASE LS? As far as I've seen the Sunroof option is available on the 1LT and up...not the LS.
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    Count on it being dealer installed.
  • that's why I figured...if thats the case just about every car out there has that option.
  • mz6greyghostmz6greyghost Posts: 1,230
    Don't rag on Nissan while the other Domestics are deep in the red. At least Nissan is managing to stay afloat.

    You can thank Renault, because without them, Nissan would be a distant memory.

    As for their cars, the Altima isn't any better in terms of handling/cornering if it isn't in 3.5SE trim. My wife's DD is a '07 2.5S, and it's mush compared to my Mazda6. At least Mazda (and Honda IIRC) carries the "sport" suspension as standard equipment across the trim levels. Unlike Nissan, where there's a big difference between the 2.5S and 3.5SE.

    I will admit that the '07-up is a step forward from the previous generation. My mother has a '03, and the difference, especially in the interior design, fit-and-finish and materials, is like night and day. Some may not like the dark-colored interior, but it's still leagues better than the '03.

    Off-topic for a second: the 370Z is a great car, but the Murano and Maxima are both overpriced, and the Max should have been AWD to not only handle the torque-steer from the V6, but to better differentiate it from the Altima.
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