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Midsize Sedans 2.0



  • albanytimalbanytim Posts: 18
    Sorry to nitpick, but every time I see "KIA" I think "Killed in Action". "Kia" is the car company.
  • ral2167ral2167 Posts: 642
    test drove accord today-- ex-l-- nice enough car but disappointed in the radio-- only 12 presets for XM? you got to be kidding me. plus their fancy "blind spot" passenger side camera is a lot of flash bu that's about it-- and the convex mirror on driver side is cheap as a blind spot monitor-- - they should just have a light shine on or near each mirror like most blind spot technologies have (camry, mazda 6, altima). i do like the driver side seat memory on the ex-l-- i suspect upper trim camry's will get this in a year or so. and it drives nice. but overall, those 12 presets on the XM has me shaking my head.
  • cskicski West Springfield, VAPosts: 1,344
    edited June 2013
    LOL. My KIA was killed in action today! :sick: Tire blew out on really ragged pavement. I didn't even try to use the "tire mobility kit" which is essentially (well ACTUALLY) is a fancy can of fix-a-flat and a compressor. Optima LX and EX do not have spares (in an all out effort to increase MPG).

    Progressive roadside assistance was awesome guys. Flatbed driver dropped me off at my door after waiting for me to fill out paperwork at the shop. I called his boss and put in a good word for him.

    NTB/Merchants does not have my OEM tires in stock, so I had to order them.

    PS: The tow truck driver said he tows more hybrids than any other type of modern sedan.

    Chris Skalski: Network Engineer 2012 Kia Optima EX

  • cskicski West Springfield, VAPosts: 1,344
    EX Optima has 24 Sirius presets.

    Chris Skalski: Network Engineer 2012 Kia Optima EX

  • suydamsuydam Posts: 1,045
    You know what matters to you. Did you drive on a freeway though? That's where you really appreciate the right turn camera. I am liking it more and more the longer I drive mine. Radio presets aren't a big deal to me, but I loved the power driver AND passenger seats. We sure have a lot of choices now.
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTPosts: 10,009
    My Fusion has 18 Sat radio presets and I use maybe 10.
    It took me a couple of months before I tuned to FM and realized I had not set anything.
  • uga91uga91 Metro AtlantaPosts: 1,065
    My Altima also has 18 presets. I have all 18 set; but, I only listen to 9 or 10 of them with any regularity. I haven't listened to FM radio in weeks.
  • ral2167ral2167 Posts: 642
    Don't know how accord can only have 12 presents for XM radio-- very disappointing. Camry has the best radio in that you can have 36 presents and have as many AM/FM/XM as you want-- you can have an AM station on one preset, and an XM on the next one-- you don't need to switch to an XM band or an AM band. Wish all radios were like that,
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,757
    How could you possibly find 36 stations worth listening to on FM/AM/XM?
  • ivan_99ivan_99 Posts: 1,678
    If you do happen to save 36 stations...

    Then all you need to do is set your auto-scan on...and search through all your stations every 10 seconds. In 6 minutes you're done and can start from the top again since you've forgotten anything worth listening to; and more than likely what you did find interesting has already ended.

    This way you can have a perpetual scan where you do not need to commit to any channel...
  • mani_omani_o Posts: 6
    I'm planning on buying a Camry se this fall. And I've done my research for the last three months. It does seem that Toyota has a better reliability history than Honda, Mazda, Hyundai, and Kia. You don't know how much I wish Toyota would step up the Camry design, they must have their head up their *blank* but After test driving the 2013 Optima the headrests in the seats Would not even allow me to sit up straight. The 2013 Accord, Known for having transmission issues, is already having problems with their CVT. Most reviews say the 2013 sonata does not have too many issues but the 100 little things that never really brake but wish they would just so the dealer would fix them. The 2013 Altima has a sucky CVT and is a first-year car with issues that need to be worked out. The 2013 Mazda 6 No one is buying even though it is the sexiest car. With so many First year models for 2013 you only have a few options for a midsize car if you're seeking top reliability. The 2013 Camry has a comfortable nice interior, great sound system, good handling, top reliability, The camry se can be had for about 22 grand. If you're trying to keep your car for the next 10 years its a very safe bet. If your leasing your car feel free to get in any car you want because All of these cars last at least three years. When the pros review cars they're reviewing how they are performing that very moment, not five years down the line when your car is falling apart.
  • mani_omani_o Posts: 6
    I don't understand CR any more. How can they predict first year cars reliabilty. The Accord has had major transmission issues in the past yet they best every other car as top pick because they are hoping their new power train will be better??
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,757
    Since when does a Camry have a nice interior and good handling?
  • cskicski West Springfield, VAPosts: 1,344
    edited June 2013
    Quote "Most reviews say the 2013 sonata does not have too many issues but the 100 little things that never really brake but wish they would just so the dealer would fix them".


    As I have said before, mid size sedan manufacturers try to design for the buyer who wants it to be the jack of all trades. Difficult market.

    Chris Skalski: Network Engineer 2012 Kia Optima EX

  • cskicski West Springfield, VAPosts: 1,344
    No doubt. I listen to only two. My mother likes the Elvis channel. Uggghh (shuddering).

    Boneyard and Hair Nation are my faves.

    Chris Skalski: Network Engineer 2012 Kia Optima EX

  • uga91uga91 Metro AtlantaPosts: 1,065
    We have a 2012 Sienna and you can preset AM, FM and XM one after the other--that is a nice radio feature.
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    Interiors weren't bad in the 90s. They had high quality seas of plastic and vinyl :shades: . Nowadays, it's a bit more playskool as designed by committee looking.

    Now.. handling? What handling?
  • crkyolfrtcrkyolfrt Posts: 2,345
    Sucks about the blowout..and having to order. Hope the rim is ok..

    Interesting about the tow truck driver's comment about hybrids. Sounds like he meant all hybrids (including the apparently very reliable Prius) or do you think he was referring to the Optima Hybrid?
  • crkyolfrtcrkyolfrt Posts: 2,345
    edited June 2013
    This question will reveal how little I know about satellite radio. Two questions actually, although the second one is tough cuz it's one of those ones where it is open to interpretation of just how good is good..

    When you use XM or whatever, and you want to listen to..let's say Johnny Winter: Serious Business. Or dial up Wayne Hancock: you have a menu where you choose alphabetically, or punch it in letter by letter, or are you restricted to, like a radio stn that features songs that they decide falls into that type of music category? If it is the latter (which I think it is and is why I have never gotten excited about radio you pay to listen to without getting a choice in what you listen to) then the odds of you finding a stn that actually plays Johnny Winter, or even knows who Wayne Hancock is, will be very poor indeed. Out of curiosity have any of you who have sat radio, EVER heard either one of those artists on the radio? Johnny Winter is blues rock like Jimi Hendrix and Kenny Wayne Shepherd. Wayne Hancock is a lot like Hank Williams Sr with a mix of Hank III (Shelton Williams, Hank Sr's grandson) thrown in.

    Second question is about sound quality distortion at loud sound levels. I once listened to a friends GPS that he dubbed into the sound system in my 03 Matrix. I forget how it was done, but was a portable setup. So the GPS had what I guess was an MP3 memory, and believe me, there was SERIOUS sound quality loss once it made it to the cars speakers. Is sat radio like that, or is it EXACTLY as clear and capable of the same song as if you had inserted a CD? Question open to cski especially, cuz I think he loves his music, although not sure how loud he plays it, and everyone of course..

    BTW, same question if you plug an iPod or some other USB device in. Are some combinations more distortion free than others, or are they all universally so good there is no perceptible difference than if you had put a CD in..and again, I'm talking at loud volumes which should reveal any weakness the best.. Even if clear, is the db (sound volume) drop if on sat radio or iPod, requiring you to raise the volume control more than if you had a CD in?
  • benjaminhbenjaminh Posts: 1,793
    edited June 2013
    Camry failed the small offset crash test, which is a common type of crash. It was the only midize car to fail, aside from the Prius and a Lexus. Pattern? Check out the IIHS video posted in youtube or a few pages above.

    Also, Camry is in my opinion the worst looking car in the entire midsize segment.

    Handling is also about at the bottom according to most car magazines.

    Bang for the buck? Yes. To somewhat misquote Princess Leia: "If bang for the buck is what you care about, that's what you shall receive."

    There's really no bad choice to be made at this point when it comes to midsize, but Camry would be about last on my personal list.

    Everyone gets to make their own choice and have their own favorites. It's a free country!+++
  • suydamsuydam Posts: 1,045
    This a new test and few cars have been subjected to it yet. Only those redesigned this year will be able to pass it. It is not a reason to avoid the Camry. There are others of course!
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,757
    XM/Sirius has specific channels that you can tune to and that broadcast all the time just like FM. Hits1, 60s, 70s, 80s, 90s, Margaritaville, etc.

    Digital music (satellite, mp3) is by definition compressed. MP3s have different bitrate settings (128K vs. 192K vs. 256k etc.). The higher the bitrate the better the sound (and more storage required). Some people can't tell much difference and some people claim it's night and day.

    With satellite there is another compression layer. There is limited bandwidth on the satellites so they compress the signal even further to fit more channels in. You also have the quality of the original recording which affects final sound especially on 60s and 70s music.

    How it sounds depends on your stereo, the original recording quality and the source and bitrate.

    Audio CDs are the least compressed usually, followed by analog FM, digital FM (HD Radio) and XM/Sirius. MP3s could be anywhere in between depending on bitrate. The quality of the device is also a factor - ipod vs. cheap mp3 players or gps.
  • suydamsuydam Posts: 1,045
    XM also has stations dedicated to one artist, like E Street Radio, as well as every Major League Baseball game. Lots of great stuff you can't get on regular radio. It's a much wider range of news, sports and music.
  • benjaminhbenjaminh Posts: 1,793
    edited June 2013
    suydam wrote: "This a new test and few cars have been subjected to it yet. Only those redesigned this year will be able to pass it. It is not a reason to avoid the Camry. There are others of course! "

    I don't think you're quite right about a few things. The test isn't that new, a lot of cars at this point have been tested, and most have passed. Only the Camry and Prius V were rated "Poor." If safety is a lower priority to you, then ignore the test. But if safety is a significant issue for you, you should probably chose one of the dozen or so midsize cars that passed this test. - - - rash-test-ratings-issued-by-iihs.htm

    "....Among the midsize sedans, two models earned the highest rating of "Good" in the new small overlap test: the redesigned 2013 Honda Accord Sedan and the discontinued 2013 Suzuki Kizashi.

    Of the remaining 16 midsize sedans evaluated, 11 models received an "Acceptable" rating. They include the following models, which are rated as "Top Safety Pick+" models for 2013:

    2013 Chrysler 200
    2013 Dodge Avenger
    2013 Ford Fusion
    2013 Honda Accord Coupe
    2013 Kia Optima
    2013 Nissan Altima Sedan
    2013 Subaru Legacy
    2013 Subaru Outback
    2013 Volkswagen Passat

    The 2013 Mazda 6 and the 2013 Nissan Maxima also received an "Acceptable" rating in the new small overlap frontal impact test, but because their rear-impact protection ratings are "Marginal," they do not qualify for a "Top Safety Pick" rating in 2013.

    Three models received a "Marginal" rating in the new small overlap frontal impact test. They include the redesigned 2013 Chevrolet Malibu, 2013 Hyundai Sonata, and the 2013 Volkswagen Jetta Sedan. All three models retain their "Top Safety Pick" status for 2013, but do not qualify for the new "Top Safety Pick+" rating.

    The two models receiving a "Poor" rating include the Toyota Camry and Toyota Prius v. "Toyota engineers have a lot of work to do to match the performance of their competitors," Lund says.

    In the test for the Camry, the impact pushed the front left wheel into the driver's foot well, moving the parking brake mechanism into the driver's leg space. The windshield pillar bent, moving the instrument panel and steering column. As a result, the crash-test dummy's head glanced off of the driver air bag and, because the side curtain air bag does not extend far enough forward to offer protection, struck the dashboard....."
  • benjaminhbenjaminh Posts: 1,793
    edited June 2013
    Toyota has said they will redesign and re-engineer their cars to pass this test. I imagine the 2014 Camry will pass just fine. And so if you want a Camry, waiting 4-5 months if that's practical might be the answer.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,787
    That's an old report. Since then, several other vehicles have earned the Top Safety Pick+ including the 2014 Mazda6.
  • andres3andres3 CAPosts: 5,387
    The Accord had transmission issues affecting a minor amount of Accords versus the millions made.

    They have since corrected those issues for the last 5 years or so at least.

    CR is spot-on.
  • crkyolfrtcrkyolfrt Posts: 2,345
    If MP3 is compressed at 256k, what would you guess a CD to be at? Let's say a newer type CD created in the last 10 years...or rather of only 10 year old music?

    You are saying that an iPod is much cleaner than the best MP3? or?

    This is all very good info. I appreciated your post a lot. Answered many questions/wonderments I have always had ever since the first MP3 type file came along. My nephew has created many digital files for DJ work. I have heard some at an outdoor party once, but not in an environment like your car or home where you can make a memory comparo. I have a feeling he must use a high bitrate...oh..I recall he was using an iPod docked to something else, a big mixer of some sort I think.
  • andres3andres3 CAPosts: 5,387
    When some keep goodmouthing an undeserving company, some buyers just keep on buying because Maude at cards said she loves her Camry and has had almost now trouble with it, e.g..

    If it was really that easy, all the bad undeserving companies out there would spend all their marketing dollars good-mouthing their vehicles.

    Maybe they do, but it doesn't seem to work as many companies have been bailed out recently, and some multiple times (Chrysler).
  • andres3andres3 CAPosts: 5,387
    Lossless audio bitrates typically run in the 500k to 1MB/second realm.

    IPOD's have Apple Lossless audio format, but I don't think I-tunes sells it. You can take your CD's and make apple lossless files though. Keeps about 99% of the quality, whereas in 256k I'd say your getting 80 to 90%.
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