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  • vservser Posts: 48
    Hi. I did drive the impala. It was nice but for a few things. Rear visibility was limited due to the extreme slope. Avalon had the slope but was not as bad. And while the impala had a great v6 it was very jumpy. Seemed to be hard to drive it normally and not constantly gun it. The avalon was smooth driving normally and had similar punch when I needed it. Stereo and GPS was nice in the impala, just better in the avalon. I didn't really notice the seats. Great smthg to thing abt.
  • wayne21wayne21 Posts: 227
    edited September 2013
    Sometimes the car manufacturers have to be forced into doing things. In 2008 all car manufacturers were notified of the new partial offset crash test to be conducted in 2013. Not many cars have passed the test so far. In fact, after having the camry fail the partial offset crash test, Toyota asked for a delay so they could make adjustments to the RAV-4 before testing. Their request was granted and when the "new" RAV-4 was tested.... it still failed.

    On the rear view camera - I've been driving for 40 years and have always turned my head or used the mirrors. I have a rearview camera in my car and have never used it. I know people have been killed by people backing up their cars, but IDK if the rearview camera would make any difference. Sometimes people are careless. We lose about 50k lives annually in auto accidents and being hit while backing up a car is most likely a very small number of those.
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,688
    I agree that you don't need a camera, but having one and not using it is silly. The camera can see things behind you that you can't possibly see from the driver's seat. It isn't a substitute for looking behind you nor is it a failsafe because you can forget to look at the camera just as easily as you can forget to look in the mirror or turn your head.
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Crossroads of America: I70 & I75Posts: 18,157
    >i] and [/i]?

    What you use is the left caret (shift ,), then the letter i, then the right caret (shift .). At the end of the text, same format with the forward slash as you showed in your demo.

    The posting tool here won't let any of those HTML symbols through. I had fun in the past trying to show people how to post and to adjust the size so they filled the screen without overflowing the right margin of the window. Got it done with pictures.
  • wayne21wayne21 Posts: 227
    I found the camera to be distracting. In fact, I'd say the camera can give you a false sense of security because it is limited to a specific area. I trust my eyes far more than the camera.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,710
    edited September 2013
    Same with the Kia Cadenza...which sounds like "credenza" to me, making me think of furniture, not an entry level semi-luxury car.

    Well, you'll want to avoid cars like the Fusion then (sounds like a razor, not a car), Sonata (a song, not a car), Camry (something that takes photos, not a car), Passat (who wants a car that's passé?), Optima (is that the same as an Altima, or is it a Transformer or ??), and maybe the 6 (do you get eggroll with that?). ;)

    Did you notice that MT's top pick in the full sized sedan class was the Cadenza? They don't see to have any problem picking a Kia as the winner of a comparo, as some auto mags do. MT also chose the Forte as the winner of their last compact comparo.
  • cskicski West Springfield, VAPosts: 1,249
    I also left out the name of the third place car. It was the Chrysler 300 3.7 V6. I think it is a very cool looking car...but again it is rear drive and only competes in V6 form due to it's dimensions.

    Glad the info was useful.
  • cskicski West Springfield, VAPosts: 1,249
    Yes, I know MT picked the Cadenza. I have been inside the Credenza, it's really, really nice. You can pick up the base model called "Premium" for $35,000 for those on the fence between the Optima or moving up. It has the same 3.3 liter V6 that is in the Azera which pumps out 293 HP, and 270 lb ft . A pretty car. It has a kinda weird looking version of the Kia Grill...but it has grown on me.

    here is a picture: http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://cdn.caradvice.com.au/wp-content/uploa- ds/2012/10/Kia-Cadenza-2.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.caradvice.com.au/198281/2013-k- ia-cadenza-revealed-rhd-version-planned-australia/&h=771&w=1346&sz=166&tbnid=gcD- dIcJHnSgCjM:&tbnh=120&tbnw=209&zoom=1&usg=__Pc4QDNC2XTXxrIFY9Tq9ldU3Jgw=&docid=s- J25UC9maGRPzM&sa=X&ei=CZRJUoKOJrGs4AOCsoHADA&ved=0CGIQ9QEwBw

    Here is a front end shot: http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://images.thecarconnection.com/lrg/2014-- kia-cadenza_100426054_l.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.thecarconnection.com/news/10838- 82_2014-kia-cadenza-video-road-test&h=719&w=1024&sz=143&tbnid=8yJbLlBElJ9t1M:&tb- nh=126&tbnw=180&zoom=1&usg=__htg7uIvZNlA_YMRZwCS-GBlZfnI=&docid=vQ_tLX_gn0ixiM&s- a=X&ei=CZRJUoKOJrGs4AOCsoHADA&ved=0CFsQ9QEwBA


    C/D also picked the Forte. Heck, you guys know i own the Optima , but I try real hard to fair.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,710
    When your Optima transforms, what does it turn into? :)
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,688
    But your eyes can't see something on the ground behind the bumper near the vehicle - the camera can. If you're only using the camera then I agree it's not as safe. But it's not that hard to use both the camera and your mirrors and turn your head. It only takes a couple of weeks to get used to it.

    And with my rear view camera I also get cross traffic alert so it not only gives me some vision to the right and left that I can't get from the driver's seat it alerts me visually and audibly if a car is coming from the right or left even if your vision is totally blocked by other vehicles. A great safety feature.
  • gee22gee22 Posts: 82
    Wayne, you sound very similar to someone who had their letter published in Consumer Reports years ago. It was during time that SUV platforms were causing excessive damage and injuries to passanger cars and CR was recommending changes in the ways SUV’s were built.
    The next month, they published a letter from someone who had an SUV but felt it was unfair to single his vehicle out. He said he was an excellent driver and consequently wouldn’t cause an accident.
    I couldn’t believe his attitude. Didn’t he realize he could hit a patch of black ice, a recent oil spill, etc and get into an unavoidable accident. I bet, if he saw a child run into the street, he would put his own life at risk by swerving out of the way. Of course, he could be swerving right into my car.
    Excellent drivers, who use their mirrors and turn their heads have unfortunately killed or injured young children and pets. It was not their fault and could not be prevented but I’m sure most of them never get over their undeserved guilt. But if you have a camera and don’t even glance at it, don’t tell me about your driving history. You are just as irresponsible as a texting teenager if you are not taking advantage of a wonderful safety feature that has the capability of saving an innocent life that you have no idea you were ending as careful as you are.
    Please rethink your position. Thanks
  • wayne21wayne21 Posts: 227
    edited September 2013
    In lieu of insulting you I shall just say I am happy with 40 years of driving without an accident or even being pulled over. I did, however, kill one robin in 1989. It flew into my windshield and I was not able to avoid it.

    In two separate incidents, my father and a brother were killed by drunk drivers. Neither of them were consumers of alcohol. That's why they have laws against drinking and driving. My neighbor's granddaughter is paralyzed for life (wheelchair bound) as their car was hit by a young lady texting while driving in 2010. My closest friend just had his 4th and 5th vertebrae fused last week after being hit by a girl who was texting while driving. I feel very comfortable with my driving skills and history (I don't drink and have never even talked on the phone while driving). We all take our chances. I do appreciate your counseling, however, and should I need it in the future I will seek you or the person who was upset with me because I had a borla exhaust on my corvette that was too loud - in spite of never even having seen my car (btw - it was installed by GM - the largest company in the world at that time prior to my leaving the showroom floor with it). BTW, I did the responsible thing prior to buying my corvette. I attended the Skip Barber driving school in Monterey, CA. I actually took the school about 2 years before buying the car as I was in the military and moving to Europe and knew I'd be driving on the autobahn.
  • gee22gee22 Posts: 82
    I truly feel sorry for you, both for your devasting losses and for how it has embittered you not to care about others.
  • wayne21wayne21 Posts: 227
    edited September 2013
    Thank you. I guess I should have also mentioned I have been an RN (BSN) since 1982.
  • I prefer systems that offer some of both; Uconnect in most of the Chrysler offerings gives you the customization of a large screen, with a relatively flat menu structure, as well as physical knobs for fan speed, volume, and tuning. There are also buttons for adjusting temperature, recirc/fresh, defrost, etc. However if you're a touchscreen kind of guy, you can do it all via screen. I have it in my Ram, and honestly I end up using the fan-speed knob all the time. The rest I use steering-wheel controls (audio) and touch-screen.

    It's slick, and I can't wait to see how it is implemented on the next midsize Chrysler sedan.
  • gee22gee22 Posts: 82
    Apologies. The second part of my statement of my statement was uncalled for, however I am sincere about how I feel about your losses. You are certainly experienced with grief. I should have framed it to consider the grief of a parent who lost a child because of a car in reverse, especially if they knew the driver ignored the backup camera.
    Please note I was polite in my initial request to you.
  • stickguystickguy Posts: 14,439
    depends also on what you drive. especially SUVs these days have terrible blind spots. We have a new RDX, and you can't see large areas behind you. the camera does not replace looking, but it is a wonderful add-on for safety. Also makes it much easier to get close when you are backing in!

    when I drive something like our old TL, with a low trunk and big window, it is shocking how easy it is to see what is behind you.

    2013 Acura RDX (wife's), 2007 Volvo S40 (daughter stole that one), and 2000 Acura TL (formerly son's, now mine again)

  • suydamsuydam Posts: 950
    ABS and airbags weren't around 40 years ago either. I have never been in an accident but I'm glad they exist now. Safety technology has come a long way from the days of my childhood when we used to sleep in the back of an El Camino and no one wore seat belts. I'm sure it will continue to improve and that's a good thing.
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTPosts: 9,668
    Thought to myself on the way home from work, when did the Sonata come out with integrated exhaust outlets in the rear bumper?
    Turns out is was a new Impala. Not the first time I've made that mistake.
  • ab348ab348 Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, CanadaPosts: 1,869
    MT has a long and storied history of selling their recommendations to the highest bidder. See "Car of the Year" award. And if we know anything about Hyundai/Kia, it's that if some good publicity is able to be bought, they will buy it.

    2011 Buick Regal Turbo, 1968 Oldsmobile Cutlass S Holiday Coupe

  • ab348ab348 Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, CanadaPosts: 1,869
    The previous Azera had terrible problems with suspension components and ride quality, and Kiyundai products generally are lacking in suspension tuning finesse and ride dynamics, so it is not a surprise that the new models continue to suffer from the issue. Good on C&D for telling it like it is and not falling prey to the "it's new, so it's good" hype that afflicts so many automotive reviews.

    2011 Buick Regal Turbo, 1968 Oldsmobile Cutlass S Holiday Coupe

  • m6userm6user Posts: 2,991
    "MT has a long and storied history of selling their recommendations to the highest bidder."

    Do you have any actual proof of this other than disagreeing with their COTY choices? They have made some rather odd choices over the years but I've never heard of or seen any real evidence that they or any other mainstream magazine were actually paid off. It's usually just somebody making things up because car companies advertise in those magazines. Gee, imagine that, car companies actually advertising in a periodical that caters to people that are interested in and buy cars.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,710
    I've heard those stories too, that car mags "sell" their recommendations somehow.

    I've never seen any proof of that, however. :P

    I do know that if Hyundai/Kia is so focused on buying awards and MT is willing to sell them, then Hyundai/Kia have done a lousy job on that so far... zero COTYs to date.
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTPosts: 9,668
    It's not like Crap & Drivel doesn't have their own agenda.
  • m6userm6user Posts: 2,991
    What they tend to like or dislike or as you say "their agenda" is a far cry from taking bribes. By the way, what is their agenda?
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTPosts: 9,668
    They have their brands they like.
    Their favorite would 'the best thing ever'.
    It would get redesigned and they would point out the deficiencies of the old 'best thing ever'.
    I have a pretty good memory and back then, I subscribed and had the old issues that I could read again.
    'Darling' vehicles never had the deficiencies mentioned when it was 'the best thing ever'.
  • jayriderjayrider Posts: 3,287
    Their agenda is to generate revenue through advertising sales to pay salaries and hopefully make money after expenses. It's all about survival in a competitive market.
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,688
    Peter DeLorenzo used to work for GM. When they submitted their entries for COTY to MT it had to be accompanied by a lengthy description of how the mfr would market the award if they won. You tell me why that would be needed before the competition started.........
  • m6userm6user Posts: 2,991
    That is the agenda or goal of every for profit magazine. Does that mean they "paid off"?
  • m6userm6user Posts: 2,991
    Incompetence is different than fraud.
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